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    Bobby Kennedy

    Hey guys, looking for some honest opinions here about this topic, not the usual bantering between liberal/conservative ideals. What I would like to know is this:

    1) I watched the movie Bobby, and want to know how historically accurate it was.

    2) Do you believe there was more behind the death of his brother, Dr. King and Bobby?

    3) Because I do not know the history of this very well, where did he "ruffle the feathers" with his political views?

    4) Where might America be if he had become president?

    This interests me because I was born on the day he was assassinated, and I have always been interested in knowing more about him.
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    He pissed off the mafia when he was attorney general something awful. he was constantly hounding Jimmy Hoffa, among others. some say that he caused his brothers death by being such a bull dog.

    If he had become President we probably would have been out of Vietnam a lot earlier than 1975.

    I liked him. I think HBO had a special on him in 1988 for the 20th anniversary of his assasination. it was very good, and it was him, not an actor.

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    [QUOTE=bill parcells]He pissed off the mafia when he was attorney general something awful. he was constantly hounding Jimmy Hoffa, among others. some say that he caused his brothers death by being such a bull dog.

    If he had become President we probably would have been out of Vietnam a lot earlier than 1975.

    I liked him. I think HBO had a special on him in 1988 for the 20th anniversary of his assasination. it was very good, and it was him, not an actor.[/QUOTE]

    This is true. He really got after the Mafia, which really pissed them off considering Sam Giancana helped JFK win the presidency after Sinatra asked Giancana for his help.

    Although I am a life long conservative, I always loved JFK and RFK (let's not even mention Teddy). I know they had their personal faults (especially womenizing), but they were leaders. They had real charisma, which was needed in those very turbulent times in the sixties, and is needed again today.

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    More comments would be appreciated....thanks guys

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    both the brothers also pissed off the Russians (obviously) and the CIA (he said something about wanting to dismantle it after 1964 election)... also Hoover (FBI) hated JFK bigtime



    I'd be lying if I said I didn't think there might be some valid alternate explanation to one or all of those events rather than the official story

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    I have heard JFK wanted out of Viet Nam, after he was killed the buildup really began under LBJ.

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    [QUOTE=CanadaSteve]

    1) I watched the movie Bobby, and want to know how historically accurate it was.

    [/QUOTE]

    Did it show Bobby injecting a drug overdose into Marilynn Monroe?

    If not, it's not historically accurate....

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    [QUOTE=DeanPatsFan]Did it show Bobby injecting a drug overdose into Marilynn Monroe?

    If not, it's not historically accurate....[/QUOTE]

    your a fool.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan]your a fool.[/QUOTE]

    Thanks....

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    [QUOTE=CanadaSteve]Hey guys, looking for some honest opinions here about this topic, not the usual bantering between liberal/conservative ideals. What I would like to know is this:

    1) I watched the movie Bobby, and want to know how historically accurate it was.

    2) Do you believe there was more behind the death of his brother, Dr. King and Bobby?

    3) Because I do not know the history of this very well, where did he "ruffle the feathers" with his political views?

    4) Where might America be if he had become president?

    This interests me because I was born on the day he was assassinated, and I have always been interested in knowing more about him.[/QUOTE]

    1. the historical events in the movie are accurate. Much of the content of the movie centers around the perception of what Bobby meant to the people. That is fairly accurate (although there were people in this country that did not like him, of course).

    2. I am 100% convinced that all three were killed because of their opinions/possible future actions in regard to the Vietnam War. In Dr. King's case, he only spoke out against the war later in his career. Many people (not all) believe that J.F.K. would have begun to remove troops out of the war after he was reelected after 1964. In fact, he signed a memo calling for a gradual deescalation of troops-which was rescinded by President Johnson immediately after the assassination. And Bobby came out against the war, calling for an immediate withdrawal.

    3. Bobby changed after the death of his brother. he expressed guilt that some of their policies may have contributed to his death. It was during the time after the assassination that Bobby began to evolve from the little pit bull into someone who began to realize that the way this country ran its foreign policy was not the way to go in the future. Now, cynics will say that Bobby was doing it just to get elected. But there are many stories, including Bobby's actions on the night Dr. King was assassinated, that convinced me long ago that he was sincere. He also pissed off racist people with his campaign against discrimination and the mafia for his actions of going after them with the hearings.

    4. If Bobby was President I believe a few things would have happened;

    1. we would have pulled out of Vietnam in 68'. This action would have saved countless lives and money.

    2. Watergate and the corruption of the Nixon embarrassment presidency would have never happened. Many people feel that much of the distrust relating to our government stemmed from Watergate.

    3. I truly believe that he cared about the plight of minorities in this country. To that end, I think things would have been better.
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    [QUOTE=DeanPatsFan]Thanks....

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    I posted that at 7:48 on a Sunday morning after a long night. Should I stay after school?

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan]I posted that at 7:48 on a Sunday morning after a long night. Should I stay after school?[/QUOTE]

    Excuses......

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan]1. the historical events in the movie are accurate. Much of the content of the movie centers around the perception of what Bobby meant to the people. That is fairly accurate (although there were people in this country that did not like him, of course).

    2. I am 100% convinced that all three were killed because of their opinions/possible future actions in regard to the Vietnam War. In Dr. King's case, he only spoke out against the war later in his career. Many people (not all) believe that J.F.K. would have begun to remove troops out of the war after he was reelected after 1964. In fact, he signed a memo calling for a gradual deescalation of troops-which was rescinded by President Johnson immediately after the assassination. And Bobby came out against the war, calling for an immediate withdrawal.

    3. Bobby changed after the death of his brother. he expressed guilt that some of their policies may have contributed to his death. It was during the time after the assassination that Bobby began to evolve from the little pit bull into someone who began to realize that the way this country ran its foreign policy was not the way to go in the future. Now, cynics will say that Bobby was doing it just to get elected. But there are many stories, including Bobby's actions on the night Dr. King was assassinated, that convinced me long ago that he was sincere. He also pissed off racist people with his campaign against discrimination and the mafia for his actions of going after them with the hearings.

    4. If Bobby was President I believe a few things would have happened;

    1. we would have pulled out of Vietnam in 68'. This action would have saved countless lives and money.

    2. Watergate and the corruption of the Nixon embarrassment presidency would have never happened. Many people feel that much of the distrust relating to our government stemmed from Watergate.

    3. I truly believe that he cared about the plight of minorities in this country. To that end, I think things would have been better.[/QUOTE]

    Thanks....I get the gist that America would have looked a whole lot different had either of the brothers NOT been murdered. It would be interesting to see some views of right wing conservatives (cough, you know who, cough), just to see what they think. I could see a U.S. that looked more like something that many would accuse it of socialism...

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    [QUOTE=CanadaSteve]Thanks....I get the gist that America would have looked a whole lot different had either of the brothers NOT been murdered....[/QUOTE]


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