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    FOXNews: Hillary Clinton: Faith Saved My Marriage

    [QUOTE]Hillary Clinton: Faith Saved My Marriage
    Tuesday , June 05, 2007

    WASHINGTON

    In a rare public discussion of her husband's infidelity, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said Monday that she probably could not have gotten through her marital troubles without relying on her faith in God.

    Clinton stood by her actions in the aftermath of former President Clinton's admission that he had an affair, including presumably her decision to stay in the marriage.

    "I am very grateful that I had a grounding in faith that gave me the courage and the strength to do what I thought was right, regardless of what the world thought," Clinton said during a forum where the three leading Democratic presidential candidates talked about faith and values.

    "I'm not sure I would have gotten through it without my faith," she said in response to a question about how she dealt with the infidelity.

    The forum, sponsored by the liberal Sojourners/Call to Renewal evangelical organization, provided an uncommon glimpse into the most personal beliefs of Clinton and rivals John Edwards and Barack Obama. The three candidates were invited by Sojourners founder Jim Wallis; most of the other Democratic candidates appeared on CNN later Monday to discuss their faith.

    The most intimate question came about the Clintons' relationship, one of the world's most debated marriages but one that the husband and wife rarely speak openly about.

    Clinton said she's "been tested in ways that are both publicly known and those that are not so well known or not known at all." She said it's those times when her personal faith and the prayers of others sustain her.

    "At those moments in time when you are tested, it is absolutely essential that you be grounded in your faith," she said.

    Edwards revealed that he prays and sins every day. The crowd gasped loudly when moderator Soledad O'Brien asked Edwards to name the biggest sin he ever committed, and he won their applause when he said he would have a hard time naming one thing.

    "I sin every single day," said Edwards, the 2004 vice presidential nominee. "We are all sinners and we all fall short."

    Edwards, wearing a purple tie to match Sojourners' signature color, promoted himself as the candidate most committed to the group's mission of fighting poverty. He said he doesn't feel his belief in evolution is inconsistent with his belief in Christ and he doesn't personally feel gays should be married, although as president he wouldn't impose his belief system on the rest of the country.

    "I have a deep and abiding love for my Lord, Jesus Christ," Edwards said, but he said the United States shouldn't be called a Christian nation.

    He said he has been going to church since he was a child and was baptized as a teen. He said he strayed from his faith as an adult and it came "roaring back" when his teenage son died in 1996.

    "It was the Lord that got me through that," Edwards said, along with both of his wife's cancer diagnoses.

    Clinton acknowledged that talking about her religious beliefs doesn't come naturally to her.

    "I take my faith very seriously and very personally," she said. "And I come from a tradition that is perhaps a little too suspicious of people who wear their faith on their sleeves."

    Each candidate was given 15 minutes to appear before the packed auditorium at George Washington University's Lisner Auditorium and a live audience on CNN. They were questioned by O'Brien and by church leaders across the country.

    Obama's appearance focused more on policy than the personal. Asked whether he agreed with President Bush's portrayal of the current global struggles in terms of good verses evil, Obama said there is a risk in viewing the world in such terms.

    He said he believes that the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, were the result of evil. But he said that the United States' treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay is unjust.

    "The danger of using good verses evil in the context of war is that it may lead us to be not as critical as we should about our own actions," Obama said to applause.[/QUOTE]

    Pandering to the Religious (Right)? Or an honest admission of Faith?

    Fox reports, the voters will decide (lol).

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]Fox reports, the voters will decide (lol).[/QUOTE]


    Ok Shepherd Smith. :P

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]Pandering to the Religious (Right)? Or an honest admission of Faith?

    Fox reports, the voters will decide (lol).[/QUOTE]

    Flat out pandering. Every single god damned candidate we get has to pretend to be uber-religious. None of them have the balls to admit atheism. I always here that stupid figure "85% of Americans are religious" but when I look out my windows on Sunday morning, I don't see 85% of the cars in my parking lot gone and off to church. I don't see less people in line for beer on Sunday mornings. I don't see less people at Dunkin Donuts. I don't see less people at the bars at 2:30 am Sunday morning. No candidate will ever profess atheism, even though many Americans are. They are scared 2 death of the religious right and suck them off every chance they get. Pu**ies!

    How many people here went to church Sunday?

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan]Flat out pandering. Every single god damned candidate we get has to pretend to be uber-religious. None of them have the balls to admit atheism. I always here that stupid figure "85% of Americans are religious" but when I look out my windows on Sunday morning, I don't see 85% of the cars in my parking lot gone and off to church. I don't see less people in line for beer on Sunday mornings. I don't see less people at Dunkin Donuts. I don't see less people at the bars at 2:30 am Sunday morning. No candidate will ever profess atheism, even though many Americans are. They are scared 2 death of the religious right and suck them off every chance they get. Pu**ies!

    How many people here went to church Sunday?[/QUOTE]


    I went to church on Sunday, even though I don't really believe in God. My son was being so loud the whole time, cause there was a little kid behind us and Georgie loves little kids...he freaks out whenever he sees them...starts smiling, laughing loudly, trying to talk, shaking, etc. I took him out to the front to calm him down but he just wouldn't stop. And then on the way up to get communion, forget about it - he was a chatterbox.

    BTW, Those comments = uber-religious to you? Seriously?

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan]Flat out pandering. Every single god damned candidate we get has to pretend to be uber-religious. None of them have the balls to admit atheism. I always here that stupid figure "85% of Americans are religious" but when I look out my windows on Sunday morning, I don't see 85% of the cars in my parking lot gone and off to church. I don't see less people in line for beer on Sunday mornings. I don't see less people at Dunkin Donuts. I don't see less people at the bars at 2:30 am Sunday morning. No candidate will ever profess atheism, even though many Americans are. They are scared 2 death of the religious right and suck them off every chance they get. Pu**ies!

    How many people here went to church Sunday?[/QUOTE]

    I agree. If they truly are religious, fine. But don't pretend to be just because it will make others happy.

    I guess all of us football fans are major sinners for spending our autumn mornings eating burgers and drinking beer in a parking lot.

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    i still believe she's unelectable but if by some miracle she won the POTUS at least we wouldn't have to worry about the compentancy of those in the White House anymore.

    it's gotten to the point where i don't really care who wins as long as the person is competant and will surround themselves with competant people. It's a shame we've gotten to this point, but here we are.

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    All I have to say is praise the lord!

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]i still believe she's unelectable but if by some miracle she won the POTUS at least we wouldn't have to worry about the [B]compentancy [/B]of those in the White House anymore.

    it's gotten to the point where i don't really care who wins as long as the person is [B]competant [/B]and will surround themselves with [B]competant [/B]people. It's a shame we've gotten to this point, but here we are.[/QUOTE]


    Should I be a prick and point out that you can't even [I]SPELL [/I]the word competent?

    :D

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    Hillary is clearly full of crap. I'm convinced that everything she has ever said in the public arena has been a lie of a falsehood of some kind.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec]Should I be a prick and point out that you can't even [I]SPELL [/I]the word competent?

    :D[/QUOTE]

    hey maybe that's why im not running for president

    ps- you are a prick ;)

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    [QUOTE=pauliec]Hillary is clearly full of crap. I'm convinced that everything she has ever said in the public arena has been a lie of a falsehood of some kind.[/QUOTE]

    they all lie - that's politics

    I'd rather have a liar in the office who can do their job than an honest man who was a fool.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan]Flat out pandering. Every single god damned candidate we get has to pretend to be uber-religious. None of them have the balls to admit atheism. I always here that stupid figure "85% of Americans are religious" but when I look out my windows on Sunday morning, I don't see 85% of the cars in my parking lot gone and off to church. I don't see less people in line for beer on Sunday mornings. I don't see less people at Dunkin Donuts. I don't see less people at the bars at 2:30 am Sunday morning. No candidate will ever profess atheism, even though many Americans are. They are scared 2 death of the religious right and suck them off every chance they get. Pu**ies!

    How many people here went to church Sunday?[/QUOTE]

    I didn't...but that's the good thing about being a practicing Catholic- they make it convenient for you- I go to mass on Saturday night...

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]i still believe she's unelectable but if by some miracle she won the POTUS at least we wouldn't have to worry about the compentancy of those in the White House anymore.

    it's gotten to the point where i don't really care who wins as long as the person is competant and will surround themselves with competant people. It's a shame we've gotten to this point, but here we are.[/QUOTE]

    Really? What long list of issues, problems and difficult scenarios has Ms. Clinton overcome to give you such confidence as to her competance?

    Ms. Clinton doesn't exactly have a great record of competence herself Bit.

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    [QUOTE=jets5ever]I went to church on Sunday, even though I don't really believe in God. My son was being so loud the whole time, cause there was a little kid behind us and Georgie loves little kids...he freaks out whenever he sees them...starts smiling, laughing loudly, trying to talk, shaking, etc. I took him out to the front to calm him down but he just wouldn't stop. And then on the way up to get communion, forget about it - he was a chatterbox.

    BTW, Those comments = uber-religious to you? Seriously?[/QUOTE]

    Funny...I remember Sunday mornings w/ my Dad. He could smack me in the back of the head from 2 pews away. And forget it if he was the one up giving the sermon. If I acted up then? Oh boy! Didn't want to be me when we got home. He would glare at me during his sermon and everyone in the church would know who it was directed at...

    As far as "uber-religious" goes...maybe I exaggerated. But I still think putting on a show of religious values solely for the benefit of a constituency during an election cycle is far worse, in the eyes of God, than someone who doesn't kid themselves and sits home every Sunday being a sinner. God has no place in his heart for fakers. And Hillary make faking it an art form...


    [QUOTE=CBTNY]I didn't...but that's the good thing about being a practicing Catholic- they make it convenient for you- I go to mass on Saturday night...[/QUOTE]

    Except for damn ESPN and their silly Saturday night football games. Even God isn't going to make it to mass then.... ;)

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]Really? What long list of issues, problems and difficult scenarios has Ms. Clinton overcome to give you such confidence as to her competance?

    Ms. Clinton doesn't exactly have a great record of competence herself Bit.[/QUOTE]

    hey i never said she was great but whatever her record is, it's far better than George W. Bush.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan]Funny...I remember Sunday mornings w/ my Dad. He could smack me in the back of the head from 2 pews away. And forget it if he was the one up giving the sermon. If I acted up then? Oh boy! Didn't want to be me when we got home. He would glare at me during his sermon and everyone in the church would know who it was directed at...

    As far as "uber-religious" goes...maybe I exaggerated. But I still think putting on a show of religious values solely for the benefit of a constituency during an election cycle is far worse, in the eyes of God, than someone who doesn't kid themselves and sits home every Sunday being a sinner. God has no place in his heart for fakers. And Hillary make faking it an art form...




    Except for damn ESPN and their silly Saturday night football games. Even God isn't going to make it to mass then.... ;)[/QUOTE]

    Catholics are smart- Mass is @ 5:30, over by 6:30, in time for barbecuing, football games, baseball games, etc...

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]hey i never said she was great but whatever her record is, it's far better than George W. Bush.[/QUOTE]

    I guess we agree them as NO RECORD is indeed better than a BAD RECORD.

    However, neither give me confidence.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]I guess we agree them as NO RECORD is indeed better than a BAD RECORD.

    However, neither give me confidence.[/QUOTE]

    i'd take a rhesis monkey at this point over Bush

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    Flat out pandering...

    If your faith saved your marriage, fine. That is something you share with family and close friends, not to the public at large.

    Amazing how they never answer these kinds of questions when they are NOT running for office.

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    [QUOTE=sourceworx]I agree. If they truly are religious, fine. But don't pretend to be just because it will make others happy.

    I guess all of us football fans are major sinners for spending our autumn mornings eating burgers and drinking beer in a parking lot.[/QUOTE]
    Not if you spend that entire time praying to the football gods. I'd say that's somewhat religious.

    Actually, I think it's when I'm watching sports that I'm more religious than any other time of the week.

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