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  • Yes, I am completely Satisfied. One Party fully reflects my Viewpoint.

    3 5.17%
  • Yes, I am Mostly Satisfied. While not 100% in line with me, One Party is Mostly in Line.

    7 12.07%
  • Unsure, Neither Party Really Reflects the Majority of My Views, But Two Parties is Good Enough

    4 6.90%
  • No, I am Mostly Unsatisfied. I find myself torn between Parties..

    10 17.24%
  • No, I am absolutely Unsatisfied. Neither Party Represent Me or MY Viewpoint.

    34 58.62%
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Thread: Are You Satisfied With the Two Political Party System?

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    Are You Satisfied With the Two Political Party System?

    Easy Question, coments welcome.

    Are you satisfied by the current two-party dominant system in American politics? In other words, do you find at least a majority of what you want in your elected leaders, local, state and national, in one of the two parties?

    Question #2 (Comment Only since you cannot run dual polls here): In your ideal USA, how many Major Legitimate (i.e. electable) Political Parties would there be??

    And please, lets try to keep the discussion civil.....please?
    Last edited by Warfish; 06-07-2007 at 11:19 AM.

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    Satisfied? Good God, no.

    Both parties need to get their **** together in a hurry if we have any hope of sustaining a two-party system. I think a Fred Thompson, Ron Paul, or maybe even a Mitt Romney would be good for the image of the GOP. Otherwise, Giulianni or McCain would be just a continuation down the drain towards political mediocrity and hypocrisy. The GOP today certainly isn't conservative anymore.

    The only candidate who could probably shake up the Democrats is Barrack, other than him anybody else will further the corruption and hypocrisy of the left. Nancy Pelosi is a disgrace, IMO.

    We need a strong legitimate third party, probably Libertarian.

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    I am Mostly Unsatisfied. (Good questions on this poll)

    I'd think somewhere between 5 and 8 parties would be okay. No real scientific or logical reason for that...just feels right and was the first range that popped into my head.

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    By history standards this country is long overdue for political realignment.

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    I am completely dissatisfied.

    I was a lifelong Republican until the Republican party stopped standing for what it always had: small government, state's rights, individual freedoms and the entrepreneurial spirit.

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    your poll is missing the following choice:


    "Two political party system? Seems like one party to me! And that party is anything but satisfying!"

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    I am beyond disgusted with the politics as usual in this country. I would like a real honest human being to run for office. One who really cares about the people of this country.

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    Good drop here. Overhaul is in dire need here.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]Easy Question, coments welcome.

    Are you satisfied by the current two-party dominant system in American politics? In other words, do you find at least a majority of what you want in your elected leaders, local, state and national, in one of the two parties?

    Question #2 (Comment Only since you cannot run dual polls here): In your ideal USA, how many Major Legitimate (i.e. electable) Political Parties would there be??

    And please, lets try to keep the discussion civil.....please?[/QUOTE]

    Our two party system sucks. Big time. As a fiscal conservative and a moderate on social issues, it's tough finding a candidate that represents all of my views.

    I've become disenchanted by the Republicans because they no longer push the ideals that made them alluring: small government, sound foreign policy and the power of the individual. Instead they've put religion at the forefront and have set us back with their mismanagement of foreign policy. While the war became a quagmire, Bush worried about trivial bullsh*t like same-sex marriage. The Administration has made government larger by creating the Department of Homeland Security, an unneccessary department created to do what is supposed to be the job of the CIA. Now he's offering amnesty to people who break our immigration laws.

    I was really hoping for the Democrats to push someone competent in the last election. Instead they gave us John "I supported that before I opposed it" Kerry. This time around looks no better. The Dems have strayed from what they've always represented as well: (truly) helping the middle and lower classes and social justice. Instead like the Republicans, they pander to extremes in the party and appear to be out of touch with most people. They tell us little people how to live, yet they don't practice what they preach. CBNY's "Typical liberal hypocrisy" rants are tiresome, but they have some validity.

    To answer Question #2, I'd like 4 or 5 parties, but at least a third is needed. Moderate Dems, repubs and independents are not well represented.
    Last edited by Sourceworx; 06-07-2007 at 01:01 PM.

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan]I am beyond disgusted with the politics as usual in this country. I would like a real honest human being to run for office. One who really cares about the people of this country.[/QUOTE]

    I think Al Pacino in the movie City Hall sums it up best:

    [B]Your power? What good are you to the people without it? But down deep you know there's a line you can't cross, and after a thousand trades and one deal too many, the line gets rubbed out. [/B]

    To get to where you can actually make a big difference, one too many deals are brokered, and you wind up being everything you were against.

    I am not sure more political parties are the answer. We have three major parties in Canada:
    1) Liberal party
    2) Conservative party
    3) New Democrat Party.

    Easy enough, liberal conservative and social parties.

    Then next tier we see:
    1) Green Party
    2) Bloc Quebecois

    Environmental party and a separatist party.

    Then we have a bunch of smaller parties that win the occasional riding somewhere:

    1) Animal Alliance Environment Voters of Canada Party
    2) Christian Heritage Party
    3) Canadian Action Party
    4) Communist Party of Canada
    4) First Nations People Party
    5) Freedom Party
    6) Progressive Conservative Party
    7) Marijuana Party
    8) Libertarian Party
    9) Grey Party
    10 Rhinoceros Party

    So we have lots of choice...the problem lies here: One, the quality of politicians that actually stand for something. Two, voters who think we should get everything we want at little to know cost. And again politicians that all buy into the same economic value system, and promote economic growth over everything else.

    So, I'm not sure having more of the same type of choice is the answer, unless the choice you add is something far different than what you already have.
    Last edited by CanadaSteve; 06-07-2007 at 01:35 PM.

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    Actually, if you want a good laugh, check out what the Rhinoceros party was all about. This was an official political party of Canada, but all based on political satire....the official sign of the party was a person putting their thumb on their forehead and spreading out their fingers to make a rhino horn, while then bobbing your head up and down and shouting "rhinoceros", "rhinoceros...!"

    Who says we Canadians have no sense of humour. :cool:

    [B][SIZE=3]RHINOCEROS PARTY OF CANADA[/SIZE][/B]

    The Parti Rhinocéros, commonly known as the Rhinoceros Party in English, was a registered political party in Canada from the 1960s to the 1990s. Operating within the Canadian tradition of political satire, the Rhinoceros Party's basic credo, their so-called primal promise, was "a promise to keep none of our promises." They then promised outlandishly impossible schemes designed to amuse and entertain the voting public.

    The Rhinos were started in 1963 by Jacques Ferron, "Éminence de la Grande Corne du parti Rhinoceros". In the 1970s, a group of artists joined the party and created a comedic political platform to contest the federal election. Ferron (1979), poet Gaston Miron (1972) and singer Michel Rivard (1980) ran against Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau in his Montreal seat.

    The party, which claimed to be the spiritual descendants of Cacareco, a Brazilian rhinoceros who was elected member of São Paulo's city council in the 1950s, listed Cornelius the First, a rhinoceros from the Granby Zoo, east of Montreal, as its leader. The party claimed that the rhinoceros was an appropriate symbol for a political party since politicians, by nature, are "thick-skinned, slow-moving, dim-witted, can move fast as hell when in danger, and have large, hairy horns growing out of the middle of their faces."

    Some members of the Rhino party would call themselves Marxist-Lennonist, (A parody of the Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada), in reference to Groucho Marx and John Lennon.


    Rhinoceros Party platform

    Bryan Gold of the Rhinoceros Party described the party platform as two feet high and made of wood. "My platform is the one I'm standing on." A candidate named Ted "not so" Sharp ran in Flora MacDonald's Ontario riding with the campaign slogan "Fauna, not flora", promising to give fauna equal representation. He also took a stand on capital punishment: "If it was good enough for my grandfather, then it's good enough for me." In the 1988 election, the Rhinoceros Party ran a candidate named John Turner in the same riding as Liberal leader John Turner, and received 760 votes.

    Other platform promises released by the Rhinoceros Party included:

    * repealing the law of gravity,
    * reducing the speed of light because it's much too fast,
    * paving Manitoba to create the world's largest parking lot,
    * providing higher education by building taller schools,
    * instituting English, French and illiteracy as Canada's three official languages,
    * offering to retrain those constituents who want to become illiterate by enrolling them in a state educational institution,
    * tearing down the Rocky Mountains so that Albertans could see the Pacific sunset, or moving them one metre west as a make-work project,
    * legalising pot. And pans. And spatulas. And other kitchen utensils,
    * building sloping roads and bicycle paths across the country so that Canadians could "coast from coast to coast",
    * making all sidewalks out of rubber to prevent inebriated people from hurting themselves when they fall down
    * responding to the energy crisis, reducing energy costs for transportation by moving the cities of Montréal 50 km west and Toronto 50 km east,
    * abolishing pumping oil out of the ground as that oil is there to keep the earth moving smoothly on its axis and if you withdraw the oil, the whole thing will grind to a halt,
    * abolishing the environment because it's too hard to keep clean and it takes up so much space,
    * annexing the United States, which would take its place as the third territory, after the Yukon and the Northwest Territories (Nunavut did not yet exist) in Canada's backyard, in order to raise the mean temperature of Canada by one degree Celsius,
    * replacing the Canadian Forces with clones of Vladislav Tretiak,
    * end crime by abolishing all laws
    * making bubble gum the national currency, so that it could be inflated or deflated at will,
    * Making the pop bottle the official currency of Canada as the value went up, not down
    * Paving the Bay of Fundy to create more parking in the Maritimes
    * Demolishing the Rockies and using the resulting gravel to make a national nature trail
    * breeding a mosquito that would only hatch in January so that "the little buggers will freeze to death",
    * turning Montreal's Saint Catherine Street into the world's longest bowling alley,
    * adopting the British system of driving on the left; this was to be gradually phased in over five years with large trucks and tractors first, then buses, eventually including small cars and bicycles last,
    * as an energy-saving idea, putting larger wheels on the back of all cars so that they will always be going downhill,
    * selling the Canadian Senate at an antique auction in California,
    * putting the national debt on Visa,
    * declaring war on Belgium because a Belgian cartoon character, Tintin, killed a rhinoceros in one of the cartoons,
    * offering to call off the proposed Belgium-Canada war if Belgium delivered a case of mussels and a case of Belgian beer to Rhinoceros "Hindquarters" in Montréal (the Belgian Embassy in Ottawa did, in fact, do this),
    * painting Canada's coastal sea limits so that Canadian fish would know where they were at all times,
    * counting the Thousand Islands to make sure none were missing,
    * running Penny Hoar on a safe sex platform in Toronto,
    * running more than one candidate per riding as an MP's salary is certainly enough to support more than one person,
    * exploiting acid rain as an electrical energy source by placing dissimilar-metal electrodes in Canadian swimming pools in order to use them as batteries,
    * making Canadians stronger by putting steroids in the water,
    * banning lousy Canadian winters,
    * moving the Vatican to Saint-Bruno-de-Montarville, Quebec to promote tourism,
    * putting the West Edmonton Mall on wheels and rolling it to areas of the country suffering from economic depression,
    * turning the Louis-Hippolyte Lafontaine tunnel in Montreal into a free carwash by poking holes in the ceiling,
    * transforming the Montreal Olympic Stadium into a gigantic beluga aquarium,
    * drafting the Queen Mother to sew up the hole in the ozone layer
    * [B]building giant domes over several conservative neighbourhoods to keep the dinosaurs, both real and political, in.[/B]
    * eventually build a dome over canada to prevent damage from oncoming stars
    * annexing Greenland and creating a cartel with other northern nations in order to sell icebergs to the Saudis; the cartel would be called "Snopec",
    * digging a canal from coast to coast, by hand, to reduce unemployment; and then, leveling the Rocky Mountains and using the canal to transport the material east to fill in the Great Lakes, in order to expand Canada's landmass.
    * impose an "import quota on lousy winters -- Canadians are sick of being God's frozen people. It's time to get back to the four basic seasons: salt, pepper, mustard, and vinegar."
    * include the word "fun" in Acts of Parliament, Acts of Provincial Legislatures, and Bylaws of municipalities, from which it was apparently conspicuously absent.
    * Build a dome over the Annapolis Valley so they can grow bananas.


    The Rhino Party also declared that, should they somehow actually win an election, they would immediately dissolve and force a second election.

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    All I can say is Holy S---

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    [QUOTE=CanadaSteve]7) Marijuana Party
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    The party really doesn't get started until the guy with the pot shows up... ;)

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    I am a fiscal conservative and a social moderate. I hate both parties but tend to lean towards liberal Republicans (usually coming from the NY/NJ/CN/MA/CA metro areas) like Giuliani, Ah-nold and Bloomberg.

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    Absolutely unsatisfied.

    The current duopoly is like choosing between McDonalds or Burgerking.

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    totally unsatisfied...

    i would much prefer a system of proportional representation...though in some cases such governments can be paralyzed due to the fact that too many small parties wield too much influence, installing a 5% minimum national vote for representation could likely avoid this problem and create a situation where people are free to vote their ideology rather than being forced to hold their nose and choose between the lesser of two evils (whichever side they may feel that is)...

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    [IMG]http://blogs.toolbarn.com/spam/uploaded_images/kang-kodos-790538.jpg[/IMG]

    [I]Kang: It's a two party system, you have to vote for one of us![/I]

    [I]Lisa: I'll just vote for a third party candidate.[/I]

    [I]Kodos: Go ahead...THROW YOUR VOTE AWAY!!![/I]

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    [QUOTE=Fishooked][IMG]http://blogs.toolbarn.com/spam/uploaded_images/kang-kodos-790538.jpg[/IMG]

    [I]Kang: It's a two party system, you have to vote for one of us![/I]

    [I]Lisa: I'll just vote for a third party candidate.[/I]

    [I]Kodos: Go ahead...THROW YOUR VOTE AWAY!!![/I][/QUOTE]


    Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

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    [QUOTE=49ersJetsfan]I am a fiscal conservative and a social moderate. I hate both parties but tend to lean towards liberal Republicans (usually coming from the NY/NJ/CN/MA/CA metro areas) like Giuliani, Ah-nold and Bloomberg.[/QUOTE]

    This is closest to where I lie also. I think Bloomberg is the perfect mayor for NYC, and did a hell of a job getting the city out of city crisis. However, he, like Giuliani (IMO), would not make a good president, I don't think either could handle the foreign affairs with the same way they handled the city (both were good mayors for what the city needed at their time of office. NYC from 1993 needed a mayor who was very tough on crime and wasn't going to let NYC turn into a cesspool, by late 2001 NYC needed a fiscally responsible mayor who would help get the city out of debt at any way possible, and was willing to be unpopular for a while as the cuts happened).

    The rality is that because of a 2 party system, each side panders on every issue. It's unrealistic to think 1 person can easily represent 200, 100, or even 25 million people, but that's what we ask them to do.

    I like the idea of a socialist democracy in theory (many different parties each get a small chunk of senate/parliment based on the results of the election) but the reality is that gives tiny parties a large amount of power as the larger groups battle for a majority within the system (Some would argue this has already happened with the 2 parties already)

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    COMPLETELY dissatisfied. Why do we have to pigeon-hole people, that you have to be either "conservative" or "liberal"? Where is the middle ground for people like me, independent thinkers who don't need a party to tell me how I should feel and vote?? I've been registered independent since I was old enough to vote, because I can honestly tell you how I feel about something depends on the subject at hand (i.e. I do not support the death penalty, so I am a big 'ol liberal, yet I believe that people should be allowed to own firearms, so I am a big conservative???) The idea of having to choose one side or the other and then support whatever loser that party decides to give the nomination to is beyond ridiculous to me.

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