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    Ron Paul excluded in Iowa

    Ron Paul Excluded in Iowa

    June 19, 2007


    Iowans for Tax Relief and Iowa Christian Alliance will host a presidential candidates forum on Saturday, June 30th in Des Moines. Republican presidential candidates Mitt Romney, Sam Brownback, Jim Gilmore, Mike Huckabee, Tommy Thompson, and Tom Tancredo will participate.

    Ron Paul, however, will not participate. Why? Because he wasnít invited.

    We heard about this forum from numerous supporters in Iowa who asked why Dr. Paul was not going to participate. Those supporters assumed that Dr. Paul was invited.

    The campaign office had not received an invitation so we called this morning; thinking we might have misplaced the invitation or simply overlooked it. Lew Moore, our campaign manager, called Mr. Edward Failor, an officer of Iowans for Tax Relief, to ask about it. To our shock, Mr. Failor told us Dr. Paul was not invited; he was not going to be invited; and he would not be allowed to participate. And when asked why, Mr. Failor refused to explain. The call ended.

    Lew then called Mr. Steve Sheffler, president of the Iowa Christian Alliance, to talk with him. Mr. Sheffler did not answer so Lew left a message. He has yet to respond.

    Why are the Iowans for Tax Relief and the Iowa Christian Alliance excluding the one Republican candidate who scored at the top of every online poll taken after the MSNBC, Fox News, and CNN debates? Why are they denying Iowans the opportunity to hear from the Republican presidential candidate whose popularity is growing by the day?

    We couldnít get answers to these questions from Messrs. Failor and Sheffler. Maybe youíll have better luck. Their contact information is below.

    It's ironic that on the same day we learned the Iowans for Tax Relief and the Iowa Christian Alliance excluded Dr. Paul from their candidates forum, we received a call from ABC News confirming Dr. Paulís participation in its nationally broadcast August 5th debate to be held in Des Moines.

    Kent Snyder, Chairman
    Ron Paul 2008

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    Maybe Al Jazeera will him air time that night.

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    [QUOTE=angry jets fan]Maybe Al Jazeera will him air time that night.[/QUOTE]
    make sense plz

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    "Iowans for Tax Relief" doesn't invite the Candidate who is perenially named "The Taxpayers Best Friend" in Congress.

    What the hell is wrong with this country? We really live in a 1984 type of state. God forbid they invite a candidate who speaks out against the military-industrial complex and promotes civil liberties!

    People don't realize that to truly have tax relief, you have to change your philosophies on what the purpose of government should be. Otherwise, we will continue to live under a socialistic tax structure in a welfare-warfare state.
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    [QUOTE=JetsCrazey]"Iowans for Tax Relief" doesn't invite the Candidate who is perenially named "The Taxpayers Best Friend" in Congress.

    What the hell is wrong with this country? We really live in a 1984 type of state. God forbid they invite a candidate who speaks out against the military-industrial complex and promotes civil liberties!

    People don't realize that to truly have tax relief, you have to change your philosophies on what the purpose of government should be. Otherwise, we will continue to live under a socialistic tax structure in a welfare-warfare state.[/QUOTE]


    That's because we vote for who they have already chosen.

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    [QUOTE=JetsCrazey]"Iowans for Tax Relief" doesn't invite the Candidate who is perenially named "The Taxpayers Best Friend" in Congress.

    What the hell is wrong with this country? We really live in a 1984 type of state. [B]God forbid they invite a candidate who speaks out against the military-industrial complex and promotes civil liberties![/B]
    People don't realize that to truly have tax relief, you have to change your philosophies on what the purpose of government should be. Otherwise, we will continue to live under a socialistic tax structure in a welfare-warfare state.[/QUOTE]

    in a nutshell, you nailed it! This has been my issue for years. That is why the majority of candidates, from both sides of the aisle, are phony. And the media is the willing lap dog (in most cases). That is why I am so critical in many of my posts towards the American Media. Three quarters of the nonsense that is pulled in our great country(yes, it still is a great country) would not be possible without the lap dog media obeying the corporate government message.
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    Iowans for Tax Relief can invite whomever they damn well please to invite, no? This is still a free country, right? Maybe they (gasp!) think some of Paul's fiscal policies (tariffs, huge raises in consumption and property taxes, etc) are not sensible...or maybe they (shock) have limited time for speakers and don't want to invite all declared candidates, especially fringe ones with absolutely no chance at winning or even being on the ticket as veep, like Paul?

    Paul has done well in online polls [I]only[/I], mostly because these polls are laughably unscientific and people can vote as many times as they want, and his supporters are clearly stuffing the ballots, so to speak.


    Do you guys have anything more than tinfoil-hat "corporations are evil!" nonsense to spew? Seriously, what are you guys, 21 years old and only a week removed from your first exposure to Chomsky or Zinn?

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan]That's because we vote for who they have already chosen.[/QUOTE]


    Exactly.

    We shouldn't kid ourselves with the primaries either. Both parties already know who they're going to push.

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    [QUOTE=jets5ever]Iowans for Tax Relief can invite whomever they damn well please to invite, no? This is still a free country, right? Maybe they (gasp!) think some of Paul's fiscal policies (tariffs, huge raises in consumption and property taxes, etc) are not sensible...or maybe they (shock) have limited time for speakers and don't want to invite all declared candidates, especially fringe ones with absolutely no chance at winning or even being on the ticket as veep, like Paul?

    Paul has done well in online polls [I]only[/I], mostly because these polls are laughably unscientific and people can vote as many times as they want, and his supporters are clearly stuffing the ballots, so to speak.


    Do you guys have anything more than tinfoil-hat "corporations are evil!" nonsense to spew? Seriously, what are you guys, 21 years old and only a week removed from your first exposure to Chomsky or Zinn?[/QUOTE]They certainly can invite who they want and I wasnít spewing any nonsense. I just think itís a shame thatís all. I guess they wanted to make sure they had enough room for GOP bigshots like Jim Gilmore, Mike Huckabee, Tommy Thompson

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    [QUOTE=BrooklynBound]They certainly can invite who they want and I wasnít spewing any nonsense. I just think itís a shame thatís all. I guess they wanted to make sure they had enough room for GOP bigshots like Jim Gilmore, Mike Huckabee, Tommy Thompson[/QUOTE]
    That nonsense comment was directed at JetsCrazey and "intelligent"jets fan, not you. I should have been clearer.

    I think RP's supporters get off on being victims, so they hype up snubs like this to make them seem to be bigger deals then they actually are. Their MO is to stuff online polls and inflate Paul's numbers in order to manufacture snubs like this...notice how they ALWAYS mention Paul's online poll results and never mention his anemic other poll results.

    Those three lower-tier guys could potentially be VP candidates though. Maybe that's why they were invited. Or, maybe IFTR had only so many slots and when bigger names (McCain, Guiliana, Thompson) didn't accept, they simply went down the list and Paul was simply farther down than those three. Who knows and who cares? It's one group's forum (a group that no one has ever heard of until now)...it's hardly a story IMO.

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    rupaul can always compete for nominee of the party that truly supports his uninformed, odious, obnoxious views- the Democrats- or try to be an "independent" spoiler

    the weirdo/kiddie/disgruntled write-in vote usually reserved for
    snoopy, pat paulsen, and others will just go to ron jovi this go-round

    everyone's happy-the adults get a real leader and the children
    get a principled protest vote

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    [QUOTE=jets5ever]Iowans for Tax Relief can invite whomever they damn well please to invite, no? This is still a free country, right? Maybe they (gasp!) think some of Paul's fiscal policies (tariffs, huge raises in consumption and property taxes, etc) are not sensible...or maybe they (shock) have limited time for speakers and don't want to invite all declared candidates, especially fringe ones with absolutely no chance at winning or even being on the ticket as veep, like Paul?

    [/QUOTE]

    They can invite whomever they want, of course.

    But why exclude a candidate who is generating some genuine interest over the likes of people like Huckabee and Gilmore --who have no support at all, anywhere?

    The answer is obvious: Paul's particular dissent hits too close to the bone. His (completely mainstream) viewpoint that Iraq was a dumb waste of time and life is more than the Republican base is apparently willing to confront.

    Let's not pretend a Republican debate that is willing to invite pro-life candidates is excluding Ron Paul because of his trade policies. I think you're smarter than that.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola]They can invite whomever they want, of course.

    But why exclude a candidate who is generating some genuine interest over the likes of people like Huckabee and Gilmore --who have no support at all, anywhere?

    The answer is obvious: Paul's particular dissent hits too close to the bone. His (completely mainstream) viewpoint that Iraq was a dumb waste of time and life is more than the Republican base is apparently willing to confront.

    Let's not pretend a Republican debate that is willing to invite pro-life candidates is excluding Ron Paul because of his trade policies. I think you're smarter than that.[/QUOTE]

    What genuine interest is RP generating? Online polls where his supporters vote a zillion times? That's a mirage.

    Hey, believe in conspiracies all you want, I can't stop you. Last time I checked, some group in Iowa that no one has ever heard of is not tantamount to the Republican base, but hey, don't let that spoil a good narrative.

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    [QUOTE=jets5ever]What genuine interest is RP generating? Online polls where his supporters vote a zillion times? That's a mirage.

    Hey, believe in conspiracies all you want, I can't stop you. Last time I checked, some group in Iowa that no one has ever heard of is not tantamount to the Republican base, but hey, don't let that spoil a good narrative.[/QUOTE]

    Do you really need me to document the smearing of Ron Paul that's gone on from all quarters of the right-wing blogosphere, and on Fox News? I saw a segment not to long ago where John Gibson and Michele Malkin were spreading the lie that Paul believed Bush knew about 9/11 in advance, a total fabrication and smear.

    You can read it here: [url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273343,00.html[/url]

    Even if his supporters are voting multiple times in the online polls, why aren't the supporters of people like Huckabee, Thompson, et al doing the same?

    And then there's fundraising.

    If this story is true...

    [url]http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=43192[/url]

    ... then Paul has outraised all the GOP candidates other than McCain/Rudy/Romney.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola]
    ... then Paul has outraised all the GOP candidates other than McCain/Rudy/Romney.[/QUOTE]

    thats like saying my daughter sold 10 more boxes of
    do-si-dos than yours in the school fundraiser...
    ultimately meaningless

    i dunno, why did howard dean fans stuff the ballot boxes
    but when it came time to vote he still lost?

    rupaul is not literally a Truther,
    but he is a Blame America Firster.

    yet hes happy to have the support
    of the truther kooks like these:
    [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq_7251dqc8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq_7251dqc8[/url]

    ron paul is "smeared" because hes a
    unrepentant, unpatriotic, doddering freak-
    not for protecting our borders,
    fighting our enemies (against war, PA)

    any goper can campaign on tax reform
    and promise to protect us as well

    would have done well in the '40 election
    as wendell willkies running mate no doubt
    wait..wasnt he on the ticket in '40?

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    Paul is a blame America firster? Isn't this getting old? If you don't agree you are unpatriotic.
    Paul makes valid points about what is going on in the world. You can't do whatever you want in the world and not expect some type of response. How is that blaming America? That is acting like a responsible adult.

    It is getting old quick. Why can't people believe that we as a country try to what is good for the world and sometimes we are WRONG. Is that blaming America first if you actually take responsibility for something that went wrong?

    Admitting fault is not a sign of weakness, it is being a responsible person/country.

    [QUOTE=flushingjet]thats like saying my daughter sold 10 more boxes of
    do-si-dos than yours in the school fundraiser...
    ultimately meaningless

    i dunno, why did howard dean fans stuff the ballot boxes
    but when it came time to vote he still lost?

    rupaul is not literally a Truther,
    but he is a Blame America Firster.

    yet hes happy to have the support
    of the truther kooks like these:
    [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq_7251dqc8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq_7251dqc8[/url]

    ron paul is "smeared" because hes a
    unrepentant, unpatriotic, doddering freak-
    not for protecting our borders,
    fighting our enemies (against war, PA)

    any goper can campaign on tax reform
    and promise to protect us as well

    would have done well in the '40 election
    as wendell willkies running mate no doubt
    wait..wasnt he on the ticket in '40?[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=flushingjet]


    rupaul is not literally a Truther,
    but he is a Blame America Firster.

    [/QUOTE]

    Thanks for proving my point.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola]Let's not pretend a Republican debate that is willing to invite pro-life candidates is excluding Ron Paul because of his trade policies. I think you're smarter than that.[/QUOTE]

    And lets not pretend that Pauls support is anything other than what it is: Liberals trying to manipulate the Republican Party. Paul is not supported by Republicans (the party he is running for), he is supported by Liberals. All the online polls, the call-in's and the rest are all LIBERALS showing their support, not Republicans.

    You should know that such a ruse is easy to see. I thought you were smarter than that.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]Paul is not supported by Republicans (the party he is running for), he is supported by Liberals. [/QUOTE]


    All those liberals in Texas that voted him as their congressman?

    Surely something must be done about that soulless liberal horde that is slowly taking over the reddest state in the union..

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    They can talk about how we can understand the terrorists better.

    [QUOTE=BrooklynBound]make sense plz[/QUOTE]

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