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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]no one is suggesting they elect a modern day version of George Washington....the US government has said stop making the total annihaltion of a democratic state one of your charter goals and we will recognize you...[/QUOTE]

    yeah but isn't that what democracy is about? The people elected a government that represents their wishes. Their wishes are to eliminate Israel, if the government ignored their wishes, it wouldn't really be democracy.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]yeah but isn't that what democracy is about? The people elected a government that represents their wishes. Their wishes are to eliminate Israel, if the government ignored their wishes, it wouldn't really be democracy.[/QUOTE]

    and with that America is the bad guy for not recognizing that government....classic blame America-first thinking....

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]and with that America is the bad guy for not recognizing that government....classic blame America-first thinking....[/QUOTE]

    CBNY 72% of the people elected Hamas

    that's democracy in action my friend.

    America is not the 'bad guy' but we shouldn't have asked these idiots to run a democracy if they clearly weren't ready for it.

    We assumed that democracy in and of itself was good enough to redeem these cave-dwellers, that by switching the form of government, it would educate these people and make them better than they are.

    If you can't at least admit that was a flawed idea than you are engaging in 'America infallibility'

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]A classic response from someone who has no answer.
    Cant admit you are wrong. Nothing to back up your claims that Palestinians voted in Hamas simply b/c they are favoring the destruction of Isarael, just throwing insults. You are truly a lightweight when it comes to the ME.

    You claim that the Palestinian election of Hamas (who BTW won by a small margin with only 44% of the votes) is simply b/c the Palestinians are "murderous racists". If thats true tell us why a few years back in 2005 60% the Palestinians voted for Abbas and 20% for Mustafa Barghoutti. Both candidates did not favor "the destruction of Israel". So what happened in 1 year that suddenly the same Palestinian voters who picked candidates [B]opposing[/B] an "anti-Israel " platform suddenly favor taking an aggressive stance against Israel by voting in Hamas? How did they become "murderous racists" in that 1 year?

    The only racist i see is YOU. Your hatred for Arabs/Muslims blinds you from thinking clearly. Unfortunately there are too many racist a$$holes just like you who couldnt care less about the Arab people and continue to support policies that hurt them and quite frankly dont help our long term interests.[/QUOTE]
    well....i care about the arab people. i don't care for terrorist extremists in the middle east, however. i think most people care for arabs as they do all people. granted there are those who hate all races except their own, but by and large i think most people do care. so, the terrorists i could care less for. just because most of the terrorists from the middle east happen to be arabs doesn't mean i hate arabs.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]we wanted democracy in the region and begged them to put down their weapons.

    when they elected someone that we didn't like, we cut off their funding

    they responded by picking up their weapons again.

    meanwhile Egypt was a democracy, now moving toward a dictatorship but we don't criticize because they are our friends

    the dictatorship over in Saudi fund the Sunni insurgency in Iraq we don't say boo, (because they our friends) but the dictator in Iran funds Shia insurgency and he's commiting war by proxy.

    oh and let's not forget "president" of Pakistan a.k.a. Nuclear Military Dictator - he's our friend too!

    and people wonder why the region hates us.

    yeah it's our way of life...

    if by way of life we mean playing favorites and meddling in someone else's affairs[/QUOTE]
    we can't just hide in a hole and pretend everything going on around us isn't. that sounds a lot like what you're saying. you're way too much of an apologist. if you're annoying me, do i have the right to shoot your face off? i assume you think no. so, why then do you apologize for terrorists that hate us because of our way of life and our beliefs? there was intervention in the middle east before iraq, and there will be more after. if not, the place would have blown itself up already and taken a lot of innocents out too.

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    [QUOTE=Zombo]we can't just hide in a hole and pretend everything going on around us isn't. that sounds a lot like what you're saying. you're way too much of an apologist. if you're annoying me, do i have the right to shoot your face off? i assume you think no. so, why then do you apologize for terrorists that hate us because of our way of life and our beliefs? there was intervention in the middle east before iraq, and there will be more after. if not, the place would have blown itself up already and taken a lot of innocents out too.[/QUOTE]


    it's easy to sit here and call me an apologist or a coward

    it's harder to look at history and ask tough questions like who funded Osama Bin Ladin in the 1980's?

    I'm not interested in assigning blame, however i am interested in understanding the problems behind terrorism and addressing the root causes.

    It's gotta work better than the current plan of bomb everything, rebuild everything and hope for the best.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]it's easy to sit here and call me an apologist or a coward

    it's harder to look at history and ask tough questions like who funded Osama Bin Ladin in the 1980's?

    I'm not interested in assigning blame, however i am interested in understanding the problems behind terrorism and addressing the root causes.

    It's gotta work better than the current plan of bomb everything, rebuild everything and hope for the best.[/QUOTE]
    i wouldn't call you a coward, just an apologist. :yes: we can't sit and hold hands and try to empathize with the enemy to figure out why they are just so gosh darn mad. they hate us. they want us dead. i think most of the why is part jealousy and part difference of beliefs. regardless, i don't think understanding why is going to stop anything. the root cause is hate. how do you stop such deep seeded hate?

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    [QUOTE=Zombo]i wouldn't call you a coward, just an apologist. :yes: we can't sit and hold hands and try to empathize with the enemy to figure out why they are just so gosh darn mad. they hate us. they want us dead. i think most of the why is part jealousy and part difference of beliefs. regardless, i don't think understanding why is going to stop anything. the root cause is hate. how do you stop such deep seeded hate?[/QUOTE]

    The Palestinians want us dead? Really? Which ones?

    You are right though. We cant just sit there. Thats why Bush and Israel has brilliantly decided to provide funding and Support to a corrupt, weak,unpopular, uncharismatic leader (Abbas) who failed to win the most recent election. Yeah , thats gonna work :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]no one seems to notice the irony

    Bush pushes for democracy in the Middle East.

    Hamas gets democratically elected.

    We don't recognise them.

    They take the country by force.

    We still don't recognise them.

    Hey hello? This is democracy in action ladies and gentlemen.

    Oh I'm sorry this is my mistake we don't really want the people of the Middle East to choose their own leadership, we want them to choose leaders we want them to choose.

    In other words we want to meddle in their affairs and exact our will upon their lives.

    This is one of the root causes of terrorism. Not crazy brainwashed zealots. Not OBL. It's our interferance, since the days of FDR and Truman that the people of the Middle East resent.

    It's short sighted selfish foreign policy that exploits the region for the best interests of America not the best interests of the people who live there.

    How do we think we can fix the problem?

    With more meddling, of course. :confused:

    it would be funny if it weren't so tragic[/QUOTE]


    Interesting Matt, very interesting...

    Of course, had I of said that, I'd be a commy/socialist sucking b**tard from Canada, but that's beside the point... :cool:

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]it's easy to sit here and call me an apologist or a coward

    it's harder to look at history and ask tough questions like who funded Osama Bin Ladin in the 1980's?

    I'm not interested in assigning blame, however i am interested in understanding the problems behind terrorism and addressing the root causes.

    It's gotta work better than the current plan of bomb everything, rebuild everything and hope for the best.[/QUOTE]

    the questions arent tough
    we funded obl in the 80s ( actually his boss, but thats immaterial)
    and stalin in ww2, and supported whomever
    we supported because it suited our needs

    you're such an independent realist - thats realpolitik for ya

    but your werent around /crawling on the rug back then,
    so what the hell do you know about way back when anyway

    you wouldnt know a root cause from a root canal or root beer

    did we bomb everything in iraq etc.?
    mustve missed that
    oh well we can always do it in iran and hope for the worst

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    [QUOTE=CanadaSteve]Interesting Matt, very interesting...

    Of course, had I of said that, I'd be a commy/socialist sucking b**tard from Canada, but that's beside the point... :cool:[/QUOTE]
    i think being from canada is punishment enough for you. :)

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]CBNY 72% of the people elected Hamas

    that's democracy in action my friend.

    America is not the 'bad guy' but we shouldn't have asked these idiots to run a democracy if they clearly weren't ready for it.

    We assumed that democracy in and of itself was good enough to redeem these cave-dwellers, that by switching the form of government, it would educate these people and make them better than they are.

    If you can't at least admit that was a flawed idea than you are engaging in 'America infallibility'[/QUOTE]


    100% of the people elected Sadam that still doesn't make it democracy. When you have young men with black hoods holding grenade launchers and rifles, election results are pretty much guaranteed in the areas you control.

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    [QUOTE=Zombo]i think being from canada is punishment enough for you. :)[/QUOTE]

    Nah, I'll take a country with only 33 million people and just under 10 million square kilometres (about 3.8 million miles) over 9.6 million square kilometres and have squeezed in a tad over 300 million.

    Besides, the greatest thing about Canada is we don't have those annoying Americans! :cool:

    DISCLAIMER: The above statement was intended to be an innocent ribbing of a comment made by Zombo. For those on this board who take offence to the above, please accept my apologies...

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    [QUOTE=CanadaSteve]Nah, I'll take a country with only 33 million people and just under 10 million square kilometres (about 3.8 million miles) over 9.6 million square kilometres and have squeezed in a tad over 300 million.

    Besides, the greatest thing about Canada is we don't have those annoying Americans! :cool:

    DISCLAIMER: The above statement was intended to be an innocent ribbing of a comment made by Zombo. For those on this board who take offence to the above, please accept my apologies...[/QUOTE]

    American-envy in denial. At least put a Rush pic in your avator or something else Canadian......

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    [QUOTE=Winstonbiggs]100% of the people elected Sadam that still doesn't make it democracy. When you have young men with black hoods holding grenade launchers and rifles, election results are pretty much guaranteed in the areas you control.[/QUOTE]

    Kinda like when you have mullahs who controll local militias telling you who to vote for, the results are guaranteed. Oh, but in that case, we did call it a democracy.

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    [QUOTE=CanadaSteve]Nah, I'll take a country with only 33 million people and just under 10 million square kilometres (about 3.8 million miles) over 9.6 million square kilometres and have squeezed in a tad over 300 million.

    Besides, the greatest thing about Canada is we don't have those annoying Americans! :cool:

    DISCLAIMER: The above statement was intended to be an innocent ribbing of a comment made by Zombo. For those on this board who take offence to the above, please accept my apologies...[/QUOTE]

    No offense taken!

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]Kinda like when you have mullahs who controll local militias telling you who to vote for, the results are guaranteed. Oh, but in that case, we did call it a democracy.[/QUOTE]

    Who is the we?

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    [QUOTE=sect112row36]American-envy in denial. At least put a Rush pic in your avator or something else Canadian......[/QUOTE]


    Yeah, that's what it is all right..... :rolleyes:

    I cheered during that scene in Spiderman 3 with the huge flag waving in the background, while the rest of the audience threw up in their mouth a little.. :cool:

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    [QUOTE=Winstonbiggs]Who is the we?[/QUOTE]

    We= The USA

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]We= The USA[/QUOTE]


    You mean them, don't you?

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