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    michael moore has a new movie coming

    i want to vomit at the thought. :mad:

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    [QUOTE=Zombo]i want to vomit at the thought. :mad:[/QUOTE]

    I do not agree with everything Moore says and does, but I enjoy his movies. I also enjoy listening to ideas that are different then what the lap dog media spews. Again, I do not agree with all his tactics and he certainly manipulates the facts to a degree. But how is that any different then watching fox news propaganda?

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan]I do not agree with everything Moore says and does, but I enjoy his movies. I also enjoy listening to ideas that are different then what the lap dog media spews. Again, I do not agree with all his tactics and he certainly manipulates the facts to a degree. But how is that any different then watching fox news propaganda?[/QUOTE]


    Apprently, the movie is supposed to be pretty good. Even though his methods and motives may be questionable.

    Hell, even a pundit on Fox News says it was "brilliant." I don't know which one... my wife said she saw it.

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    [QUOTE=Zombo]i want to vomit at the thought. :mad:[/QUOTE]


    That's OK...the point of Moore's new movie is that if you vomit too much, your health care provider will drop you but will have no problems filling the coffers of empty suit politicians.

    So...vomit away. Just try not to get any on the shiny leather shoes of the insurance providers that are gonna stick that wingtip up you a** so far your gonna have to pay out of pocket to get a proctologist to remove it...

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    [QUOTE=Zombo]i want to vomit at the thought. :mad:[/QUOTE]


    How Pavlovian

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    Here is a Fox review... not really a pundit...

    [URL=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273875,00.html]Sicko Review on Fox[/URL]

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    I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that Mr. Moore hates private Insurance (I.e. Capitalism) and would much prefer Universal Healthcare run by the Government (I.e. Socialism).

    I'm right? Great! Now I dont have to see the moves, since I know how it turns out.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that Mr. Moore hates private Insurance (I.e. Capitalism) and would much prefer Universal Healthcare run by the Government (I.e. Socialism).

    I'm right? Great! Now I dont have to see the moves, since I know how it turns out.[/QUOTE]

    No.

    Just because universal health care provided by the government is a dumb idea doesnt mean that private companies consistently sodomizing and raping it policy holders is OK.

    I know capitalism is the greatest thing since the Cleveland Steamer...but modern health care providers have less couth than a street level Latin King gang member.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish][B]I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that Mr. Moore hates private Insurance (I.e. Capitalism) and would much prefer Universal Healthcare run by the Government (I.e. Socialism).[/B]I'm right? Great! Now I dont have to see the moves, since I know how it turns out.[/QUOTE]

    somehow I think this movie will have a little more then that to it. I am not sure that Michael Moore is a socialist either. It is funny how we still feel the need, even in 2007, to push people into categories. Kind of like the stupid line people fill out relating to race, ethnicity etc.

    Also, I think you may be jumping the gun a bit by saying "I know how it turns out". Any message that differs from the message of the lap-dog media is refreshing even if you don't completely agree with it.

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    You guys should really drop the idea that universal health care is a bad thing....it really isn't.

    The movie was actually debuted in my hometown (London, Ontario) because part of it was filmed here. The scene where a guy gets his fingers sown back on after an accident, compared to a guy in the States who has to choose between which finger he wants because he can't afford both.

    Now, back to socialized medicine. Does it have problems? Of course it does, I have enough doctors in the family who can enlighten us better than anyone here. However, they also believe in the system, even though it needs change, which people are afraid of.

    Universal health care can work in smaller countries. Consider that the population in Canada is SMALLER than the the total amount of the ten largest cities in the U.S.

    Universal health care has worked in many countries (Scandinavian ones being the leaders), but I don't think it can work for the United States because of the population. How much more taxes would people and companies have to pay to provide health care for 300 million?

    I think for Canada, it works...however there need to be some changes because we put too much money into a system that seems to promote sickness instead of promoting wellness.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan]
    I know capitalism is the greatest thing since the Cleveland Steamer...but modern health care providers have less couth than a street level Latin King gang member.[/QUOTE]

    Please.

    Your first mistake is putting 'capitalism' and modern health care in the same sentence. For the providers, the system is already 'anti-capitalistic', and as the government's share of the burden rapidly approaches 50% of patients, you can expect even less 'couth'.

    Just sayin'.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan]Any message that differs from the message of the lap-dog media is refreshing even if you don't completely agree with it.[/QUOTE]

    Who said anything about liking the "Lap-dog" media?? Look friend, disliking the hypocritical schmuck that is Michael Moore doesn;t mean I sit in front of FOX or CBS News all day long.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan]No.

    Just because universal health care provided by the government is a dumb idea doesnt mean that private companies consistently sodomizing and raping it policy holders is OK.

    I know capitalism is the greatest thing since the Cleveland Steamer...but modern health care providers have less couth than a street level Latin King gang member.[/QUOTE]


    versus rape of the the health care industry by trial lawyers and frivilous lawsuits which has caused the cost of malpractice insurance to sky rocket and as a result has doctors closing up shops and moving out of state???

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    Please donate to your nearest pharmaceutical companies and doctors

    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]versus rape of the the health care industry by trial lawyers and frivilous lawsuits which has caused the cost of malpractice insurance to sky rocket and as a result has doctors closing up shops and moving out of state???[/QUOTE]

    [B]Come back to Earth [/B] would like to take this time to remember the poor doctors and pharmaceutical companies who are trying to make ends meet. Remember them when you have a few extra bucks next month. So Ignore the stories about how uninsured families have to pay thousands of dollars out of pocket due to corruption.....and give from your heart. thank you

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    [QUOTE=CanadaSteve]You guys should really drop the idea that universal health care is a bad thing....it really isn't.

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    Universal health care can work in smaller countries. Consider that the population in Canada is SMALLER than the the total amount of the ten largest cities in the U.S.

    Universal health care has worked in many countries (Scandinavian ones being the leaders), but I don't think it can work for the United States because of the population. How much more taxes would people and companies have to pay to provide health care for 300 million?

    I think for Canada, it works...however there need to be some changes because we put too much money into a system that seems to promote sickness instead of promoting wellness.[/QUOTE]

    Yes, it really is a 'bad thing'...you just don't know it. Yet. But I'll get back to that in a minute.

    People here in America aren't going to wait a year to have a hip replaced, 6 months for a CABG or drive 500 miles to the nearest (open) MRI scanner two weeks from now after they hurt their knee playing softball. They demand dialysis even if they are over 70 and have heart disease. While some like our government more than others, it's not like there's a lot of trust for most of us.

    If things are so great in the big north, why is there a large influx of Canadian physicians to the US? I count three in the past 2 years into Jefferson City MO alone. When someone of wealth and power gets seriously ill, do they head for Montreal or Boston? Ottawa or New York? Why is that? Why do Canadians close to the border who have means drive here for care?

    Some countries settle for mediocrity...that's fine, as long as you do not experience some catastrophic illness that is....and for the most part, most of us don't. If you do get seriously ill, it's nice to know that here you can get the best and most state of the art care.

    Then there is the 'free trade' side of the argument...Forcing a group of individuals to provide services for what the government deems appropriate to pay is amoral in general, and a disaster in practice....it's nothing more than price controls. Over time, the entire system will collapse of it's own weight after getting progressively worse in quality.

    Just like the disagreement we had in a thread about American's subsidizing the military for most of the western world (and we do...in that I mean by maintaining a large, strong military other treaty-aligned nations do so to a lesser degree), I'm sure you'll scoff at the idea that we are subsidizing your health care too...but it's true. You have to look no further than the prices of medications to tell you that. Is the reason you pay less for meds in Canada because you're just so much smarter than us? Or, do the drug companies make their profit here in the US, so that they can allow the Canadian Government to brow-beat them to charge less? If the US government capped drug costs here in the US tomorrow, what do you think will happen to Canadian drug prices next month? Drug companies aren't in the business to provide you with anything, but rather to make a profit...it's why we all work. No profit...no R&D...no drugs.

    Let me let everyone here in on a secret....the average American with health insurance thinks they pay too much...and they do. But the reason for that is that the health care providers/facilities/companies are getting shafted by the government in the first place for every contract they 'negotiate' (not really...actually it's 'dictate') for every person they assume responsibility for paying for their healthcare. I would bet that over 50% of most seniors have enough money to pay for their OWN health-care, but they don't...why should they when they can get medicare at age 62 without question? As long as everyone less than that age understands that they are paying for that care for someone that could probably buy and sell them three times over, I guess it's no big deal.

    The problems in US health care are 90% government related, and if they want to solve the problem they would move more to a free market solution and away from a government solution.

    It may work in Canada, but as you said and I agree, it ain't going to work here.

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    Getting proper health care is a right, not a privilege; regardless of your age, gender, race or the state of your bank account you should be able to get proper health care.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan][B]Come back to Earth [/B] would like to take this time to remember the poor doctors and pharmaceutical companies who are trying to make ends meet. Remember them when you have a few extra bucks next month. So Ignore the stories about how uninsured families have to pay thousands of dollars out of pocket due to corruption.....and give from your heart. thank you

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    I'm not crying poverty, but I've made less each year over the past 5 years....what about you?

    Don't ya think that maybe at some point I just might quit?

    And please...let's discuss the 'uninsured' for a minute, shall we?

    They generally (not all) come in two flavors:

    1. Those that have the means (i.e., they are employed and make money), but refuse for some imbecilic reason, to not obtain health insurance; or

    2. Don't have a pot to pee in, so how are they going to pay me and the hospital 'thousands'? You think I'm stupid enough to hire a collection agency to go after someone that has nothing?

    For those that fall into category 1., am I supposed to take it in the shorts because of their poor decision making? What other business, available 24/7/365, exists to provide 'free' services to whomever walks in the door?

    The funny part of your post is that I bet you ***** about the cost of your own healthcare....which of course is artificially elevated because YOU are paying for the people in the categories above (not to mention for the meds and healthcare for all the 'golden oldies' who have enough tucked away in the bank to buy and sell you three times over)....because just like the rest of the free world, I don't work for nothin'.

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    [QUOTE=Black Death]Getting proper health care is a right, not a privilege; regardless of your age, gender, race or the state of your bank account you should be able to get proper health care.[/QUOTE]


    You providing that 'right'?

    Perhaps you can show me in the constitution where I owe you, or anyone else, healthcare.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan][B]Come back to Earth [/B] would like to take this time to remember the poor doctors and pharmaceutical companies who are trying to make ends meet. Remember them when you have a few extra bucks next month. So Ignore the stories about how uninsured families have to pay thousands of dollars out of pocket due to corruption.....and give from your heart. thank you

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    [B]IgnorantJetsFan[/B] would like to take this time to point out the simple economics of health care; that frivilous law suits which line the pockets of trial lawyers and cost the health insurance industry millions of dollar is part of the reason for the astronomical costs of insurance and is putting some doctors out of business....and while the john breck boy edwards of the world amass fortunes from lawsuits it is the general consumer who picks up the tab or just can't afford insurance altogether.....dismissing of course those who just won't pay for it but can[B]IgnorantJetsFan[/B] would also like to remind you to boycott gas stations every other Tuesday so we can stick it to the oil companies... :yes:

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    [QUOTE=Greenwave81]You providing that 'right'?

    Perhaps you can show me in the constitution where I owe you, or anyone else, healthcare.[/QUOTE]

    Your constitution says a lot of things: just because it isn't in the constitution doesn't mean that it isn't right. There are a lot of things that aren't in the constitution that your government provides for you, why not universal health care.

    Besides which, pal, I'm not from your country. I really don't know anything about your health care system apart from what I read about how bad it is. [I]If[/I], and I stress the word if because I'm not from the US, that is the case, I find that staggering considering you live in the richest country on the planet, a country that should be able to easily provide universal health care for everyone within its borders.

    I like your country and your countrymen, but I find this repeated claim that 'government interference' is always going to be a bad thing ridiculous. Sure, in some circumstances it is, but in others it isn't. Your government after all sets regulations in many other areas, for instance in assessing whether certain drugs are safe enough to be used by the general public, why not in an area where private coverage isn't doing the job?

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