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Thread: What is the point of a border fence with Mexico?

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    What is the point of a border fence with Mexico?

    Do people really think this will really make us more secure?

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    The point is to keep illegal immigration to a minimum. This is, generally speaking, a goal held by the vast majority of Americans.

    With that said, the fense will likely not work, especially if it is not tied into additional stepped up enforcement of immigration law, i.e. deportion.

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    The point is to better enforce the law as it stands so we have a better idea of who is coming in. Whether a 700-mile fence on a 3,000-mile border really would do anything, I can't say for sure. Maybe it would, maybe not.

    My own take is that we should make it easier for people to immigrate legally. I don't think it's realistic --or economically feasible-- to stop people from coming, but if you basically make it easy to walk through the front door --and seal the back and side doors tighter-- at least you'd know who's here.

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    [QUOTE=adb280z]Do people really think this will really make us more secure?[/QUOTE]

    Does having an alarm on your car really secure it from being stolen? No but you get it to create as many obstacles as possible for a would be thief.

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    Do you really think that all those mexicans coming here would dig through the ground umless their livelihood depended on it? These people are hardworking contributors to the economic success of America. America depends on them. America was built by immigrants. Where is our soul? You want to deport hard working people and have them lose all their success? why? Just because they crawled through a hole? There virtually full employment in this country. They're not taking your job? Where's our heart? They wouldn't have to come in this way if it was actually EASIER to apply legally. We need to fix the system and grant many many more visas.
    Don't let 19 rag heads ruin this country b/c of what they did on 9/11..They already caused us to be in two undending wars.

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    [QUOTE=bman]Do you really think that all those mexicans coming here would dig through the ground umless their livelihood depended on it? These people are hardworking contributors to the economic success of America. America depends on them. America was built by immigrants. Where is our soul? You want to deport hard working people and have them lose all their success? why? Just because they crawled through a hole? There virtually full employment in this country. They're not taking your job? Where's our heart? They wouldn't have to come in this way if it was actually EASIER to apply legally. We need to fix the system and grant many many more visas.
    Don't let 19 rag heads ruin this country b/c of what they did on 9/11..They already caused us to be in two undending wars.[/QUOTE]


    Sure, let's sit back and do nothing about the massive immigration problem in this country. That's Bush's stance, I surprised you agree with him.
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    Making 10 million poor people (whom the US SYSTEM UTTERLY DEPENDS ON) pay a $5000 fine and leave the country is probably an even more stupid idea than attacking Iraq for no reason.
    A) NO ONE will come forward..so we're in the same exact situation.
    B) If you smoke pot you are breaking the law. Quite frankly, I don't care. I don't want a witch hunt on you. Why would I want to track down some Mexican who snuck across the border to feed his starving family..Everyone here would do the same. Fortunately, we were LUCKY enough to be born here.Something needs to be done. But I just read about thjis booming Idaho town where all these wealthy people are moving..Guess who is building the homes! Hard working illegals. You deport 11 million people you hurt the US economy. Period.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec]Sure, let's sit back and do nothing about the massive immigration problem in this country. That's Bush's stance, I surprised you agree with him.[/QUOTE]

    There are over 5 billion on this planet that [b]are poorer than Mexican's[/b]. According to radical left and the Neo-con right, I guess we should let all 5 billion into this country, as it's our fault they are poor and the likes of the Hilton family really needs and endless supply of slave labor, because their slutty young heirs are too busy making porn tapes and driving drunk.

    By the way, I really remember this illegal immigration problem taking hold here in the Northeast around 1999, or so.....Prior to that most parts of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut were NOT third world hell-holes, waiting to built up by illegals.

    And, by the way, these aliens need to get their as$es in line legally, like people in my family did. I have on uncle that put his his name on the waiting list in the early 1970's as a younger man and he's still waiting!

    Where is his "Z visa" :huh:

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    [QUOTE=bman]Do you really think that all those mexicans coming here would dig through the ground umless their livelihood depended on it? These people are hardworking contributors to the economic success of America. America depends on them. America was built by immigrants. Where is our soul? You want to deport hard working people and have them lose all their success? why? Just because they crawled through a hole? There virtually full employment in this country. They're not taking your job? Where's our heart? They wouldn't have to come in this way if it was actually EASIER to apply legally. We need to fix the system and grant many many more visas.
    Don't let 19 rag heads ruin this country b/c of what they did on 9/11..They already caused us to be in two undending wars.[/QUOTE]

    Ok--we make it easier to apply for visas and allow the current illegals and the new onslaught of illegals (no matter how easy you make it, there will still be illegals coming in) to apply for citizenship. They no longer fit into our market due to min wages exeeding their market value. They will however be eligible to join the welfare ranks!

    Sorry, until they secure our border and drop min wages to mkt value, no amnesty!

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    [QUOTE=bman]Everyone here would do the same. Fortunately, we were LUCKY enough to be born here.[/QUOTE]

    Actually, I wasn't born here, and my Family did not "do the same".

    We came into the United States legally and persued Citizenship legally. Matter of fact, my Father had to wait a full year more than my Mother and I (I was one) before he could come over.

    What I'd like to know is why you think we, as a Nation, do not have the right and responsabilloty to decide who does and who does not enter and live within our borders.

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    We should legalize more immigrants, though

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    [QUOTE=sect112row36]Does having an alarm on your car really secure it from being stolen? No but you get it to create as many obstacles as possible for a would be thief.[/QUOTE]

    If we wanted to stop illegal immigration it really isn't that difficult. Don't give them a reason to come here. Make it so that you can not get a job without proving that you are allowed to be here or are a citizen and severely punish employers that don't verify their workers. Problem solved.

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    [QUOTE=adb280z]If we wanted to stop illegal immigration it really isn't that difficult. Don't give them a reason to come here. Make it so that you can not get a job without proving that you are allowed to be here or are a citizen and severely punish employers that don't verify their workers. Problem solved.[/QUOTE]

    This is absolutely correct. If we were "serious" about interior enforcement, we would not need a fence or single BP officer on the border to stop illegal immigration.

    I guess, however, you can say a fence and officers go a long way to towards scaring off SOME bad folks -- drug dealers, terrorist, ect.

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    [QUOTE=Riggins44]This is absolutely correct. If we were "serious" about interior enforcement, we would not need a fence or single BP officer on the border to stop illegal immigration.

    I guess, however, you can say a fence and officers go a long way to towards scaring off SOME bad folks -- drug dealers, terrorist, ect.[/QUOTE]
    That's still not enough since getting tough on employers will not stop drug/arms dealers/terrorists

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    [QUOTE=adb280z]If we wanted to stop illegal immigration it really isn't that difficult. Don't give them a reason to come here. Make it so that you can not get a job without proving that you are allowed to be here or are a citizen and severely punish employers that don't verify their workers. Problem solved.[/QUOTE]

    Exactly, make it a felony to hire an illegal alien and see who would do it. Then double or triple the boarder patrol and lift sanctuary policies in cities. No need for a wall or amnesty.

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    [QUOTE=adb280z]If we wanted to stop illegal immigration it really isn't that difficult. Don't give them a reason to come here. Make it so that you can not get a job without proving that you are allowed to be here or are a citizen and severely punish employers that don't verify their workers. Problem solved.[/QUOTE]


    That would solve the problem...But no one wants that...
    The US economy depends on these workers,,And how do are they harming you?
    Immigration is becoming just like abortion. It's a political issue that pishes buttons but nothing will change. I want people to apply for access to the US. But we need them and they need us. We all win by having them here.

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    [QUOTE=bman]That would solve the problem...But no one wants that...
    [B]The US economy depends on these workers,,And how do are they harming you?[/B]
    Immigration is becoming just like abortion. It's a political issue that pishes buttons but nothing will change. I want people to apply for access to the US. But we need them and they need us. We all win by having them here.[/QUOTE]

    Illegals do NOT do the jobs citizens don't want. They do the job for a wage that a citizen won't take. In this way, they depress the wages for the lower class. For instance an illegal cook at Applebee's will work for 7.15 hour and a citizen won't, but they would do that job for 13 an hour. The consequences of this are a cheeseburger at Applebee's will be more expensive, but that expense boosts the lower class of the country. So the middle class will expand WITHOUT raising taxes.

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    [QUOTE=bman]That would solve the problem...But no one wants that...
    The US economy depends on these workers,,And how do are they harming you?
    Immigration is becoming just like abortion. It's a political issue that pishes buttons but nothing will change. I want people to apply for access to the US. But we need them and they need us. We all win by having them here.[/QUOTE]

    It just cracks me up when the fence is described as being for our security. It does little to nothing for our security. Sect112row36 made a comment about a having a car alarm to slow down thieves, well this fence is essentially locking your car but leaving the windows down. There is a much longer equally wide open border with Canada that no one is doing anything about.

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    [QUOTE=bman]That would solve the problem...But no one wants that...
    The US economy depends on these workers,,And how do are they harming you?
    Immigration is becoming just like abortion. It's a political issue that pishes buttons but nothing will change. I want people to apply for access to the US. But we need them and they need us. We all win by having them here.[/QUOTE]

    Don't get me wrong I have no problem with legal immigration.

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    [QUOTE=sect112row36]Does having an alarm on your car really secure it from being stolen? No but you get it to create as many obstacles as possible for a would be thief.[/QUOTE]


    this fence is the dumbest idea of the Bush admin and that's saying alot.

    there is no way that people crossing a desert to come here and make a better lives for themselves will be stopped by a fence. No way.

    there are many areas such as rio grande where the cities are the border, private ranches and riivers go right up to the line, what sort of fence can divide a river in half?

    I know alot of people in AZ and NM and these are hardly what anyone would call liberals, quite the contrary they are NRA members die hard GOPers, and every single one of them believes the fence is a joke, a total waste of money.

    If you ask the people who really are local to where the fence is planned, they will tell you how smart it is.

    it's a terrible idea, bound to fail.

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