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    Roswell Aliens Theory Revived by Deathbed Confession

    [url]http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21994224-2,00.html[/url]

    [quote]EXACTLY 60 years ago, a light aircraft was flying over the Cascade Mountains in Washington State, at a height of around 3000m.

    Suddenly, a brilliant flash of light illuminated the aircraft.

    Visibility was good and as pilot Kenneth Arnold scanned the sky to find the source of the light, he saw a group of nine shiny metallic objects flying information.

    He estimated their speed as being around 2600km/h - nearly three times faster than the top speed of any jet aircraft at the time.

    Soon, similar reports began to come in from all over America.

    This wasn't just the world's first UFO sighting, this was the birth of a phenomenon, one that still exercises an extraordinary fascination.

    Military authorities issued a press release, which began: "The many rumours regarding the flying disc became a reality yesterday when the intelligence officer of the 509th Bomb Group of the Eighth Air Force, Roswell Army Air Field, was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disc."

    The headlines screamed: "Flying Disc captured by Air Force".

    Yet, just 24 hours later, the military changed their story and claimed the object they'd first thought was a "flying disc" was a weather balloon that had crashed on a nearby ranch.

    The key witness was Major Jesse Marcel, the intelligence officer who had gone to the ranch to recover the wreckage.

    He described the metal as being wafer thin but incredibly tough.

    It was as light as balsa wood, but couldn't be cut or burned.

    These and similar accounts of the incident have largely been dismissed by all except the most dedicated believers.

    Astonishing new twist

    But last week came an astonishing new twist to the Roswell mystery.

    Lieutenant Walter Haut was the public relations officer at the base in 1947 and was the man who issued the original and subsequent press releases after the crash on the orders of the base commander, Colonel William Blanchard.

    Haut died last year but left a sworn affidavit to be opened only after his death.

    Last week, the text was released and asserts that the weather balloon claim was a cover story and that the real object had been recovered by the military and stored in a hangar.

    He described seeing not just the craft, but alien bodies.

    He wasn't the first Roswell witness to talk about alien bodies.

    Local undertaker Glenn Dennis had long claimed that he was contacted by authorities at Roswell shortly after the crash and asked to provide a number of child-sized coffins.

    When he arrived at the base, he was apparently told by a nurse (who later disappeared) that a UFO had crashed and that small humanoid extraterrestrials had been recovered.

    But Haut is the only one of the original participants to claim to have seen alien bodies.

    UFO pieces handed around

    Haut's affidavit talks about a high-level meeting he attended with base commander Col William Blanchard and the Commander of the Eighth Army Air Force, General Roger Ramey.

    Haut states that at this meeting, pieces of wreckage were handed around for participants to touch, with nobody able to identify the material.

    He says the press release was issued because locals were already aware of the crash site, but in fact there had been a second crash site, where more debris from the craft had fallen.

    The plan was that an announcement acknowledging the first site, which had been discovered by a farmer, would divert attention from the second and more important location.

    The clean-up operation

    Haut also spoke about a clean-up operation, where for months afterwards military personnel scoured both crash sites searching for all remaining pieces of debris, removing them and erasing all signs that anything unusual had occurred.

    This ties in with claims made by locals that debris collected as souvenirs was seized by the military.

    Haut then tells how Colonel Blanchard took him to "Building 84" - one of the hangars at Roswell - and showed him the craft itself.

    He describes a metallic egg-shaped object around 3.6m-4.5m in length and around 1.8m wide.

    He said he saw no windows, wings, tail, landing gear or any other feature.

    Haug 'saw the alien bodies'

    He saw two bodies on the floor, partially covered by a tarpaulin.

    They are described in his statement as about 1.2m tall, with disproportionately large heads.

    Towards the end of the affidavit, Haut concludes: "I am convinced that what I personally observed was some kind of craft and its crew from outer space".

    What's particularly interesting about Walter Haut is that in the many interviews he gave before his death, he played down his role and made no such claims.

    Had he been seeking publicity, he would surely have spoken about the craft and the bodies.

    Did he fear ridicule, or was the affidavit a sort of deathbed confession from someone who had been part of a cover-up, but who had stayed loyal to the end?

    The US government came under huge pressure on Roswell in the '90s.

    In July 1994, in response to an inquiry from the General Accounting Office, the Office of the Secretary of the Air Force published a report, The Roswell Report: Fact Versus Fiction In The New Mexico Desert.

    Weather balloon 'cover story'

    The report concluded that the Roswell incident had been attributable to something called Project Mogul, a top secret project using high-altitude balloons to carry sensor equipment into the upper atmosphere, listening forevidence of Soviet nuclear tests.

    The statements concerning a crashed weather balloon had been a cover story, they admitted, but not to hide the truth about extraterrestrials.

    A second US Air Force report concluded claims bodies were recovered were generated by people having seen crash test dummies that were dropped from the balloons.

    Sceptics, of course, will dismiss the testimony left by Haut.

    After all, fascinating though it is, it's just a story. There's no proof.

    But if nothing else, this latest revelation shows that, 60 years on, this mystery endures.[/quote]

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    too much evidence for nothing to have happened

    also i find it convenient that pre-roswell technology was mostly analog and pretty basic, ten years after Roswell we were getting ready to go to the moon. Radar, lasers, computers, semiconductors, microchips, microwaves, binary language all of a sudden get developed all at the same time?

    We would like to believe humanity is great enough to make all these advances at once but if that's the case, how come many ideas such as jet packs hit the wall back in the 60s? Where are the fantastic groundbreaking inventions from years that followed?

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    I think that's pretty fascinating. I don't know if I believe it or not, but if nothing else, it's a hell of a good story.

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    I just don't buy it. First alien contact (if it does happen) will be through radio waves not interstellar travel.

    Technology race with the Soviets is what got us the technology boom.

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    [QUOTE=F-4 Phantom]I just don't buy it. First alien contact (if it does happen) will be through radio waves not interstellar travel.

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    [url]http://www.space.com/searchforlife/seti_shostak_wow_021205.html[/url]

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    I've always felt that with millions upon millions of planets out there in just the solar systems we can identify, it would be ludicrous - and quite arrogant - to think the humans of Planet Earth are the only intelligent life forms capable of communicating with, and possibly traveling to, other solar systems.

    And I also can understand why the government would be frantic in trying to cover up an alien crash landing and recovery of extraterrestrial bodies. I can't imagine the hysteria such news would have generated if this had actually happened and the news leaked.

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    [QUOTE=F-4 Phantom]I just don't buy it. First alien contact (if it does happen) will be through radio waves not interstellar travel.

    Technology race with the Soviets is what got us the technology boom.[/QUOTE]


    First off how do you know that we haven't already made contact via radio signals? My guess is that this was achieved late 40's early 50's!

    Also, do you really think the cold war was the only time in mans history that an arms build up occurred? Man has been searcing for the ultimate weapon since the dawn of warfare.

    Considering the fact that it took man until the late 17th century to build the first crude steam engine ( thomas Savery, 1698), do you honestly believe that the quantum leap in technology actually was due to the cold war?

    Thats kinda rediculous.

    I think their is more here than meets the eye, and way too many people, in every walk of life, have seen ET's for them to not be real!

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    [QUOTE=BugZyZuncle] Man has been searcing for the ultimate weapon since the dawn of warfare. [/QUOTE]


    And today man has seemed to have found it. The most devastating weapon? Control of the stream of information...

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    proof everywhere of g-d yet he doesnt exist and maybe never did-
    we cant see the forest for the trees

    vestiges of wmd production all over iraq and they dont exist
    and maybe never did-even though we destroyed plenty

    no proof of global warming or aliens yet they exist!!
    that's gold, jerry

    even if their signals take light years to get here we have had
    radio and tv for decades and nada
    (a la "Fine Tuning" in [i][b]Amazing Stories[/b][/i])

    though channels like we!, logo & al-jazeera are pretty outlandish they are
    of this earth, alas


    special plumber joke:

    q: what do you get when you cross an atheist, a
    jehovahs witness?

    a: someone who constantly knocks on your door for no reason

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]too much evidence for nothing to have happened

    also i find it convenient that pre-roswell technology was mostly analog and pretty basic, ten years after Roswell we were getting ready to go to the moon. Radar, lasers, computers, semiconductors, microchips, microwaves, binary language all of a sudden get developed all at the same time?

    We would like to believe humanity is great enough to make all these advances at once but if that's the case, how come many ideas such as jet packs hit the wall back in the 60s? Where are the fantastic groundbreaking inventions from years that followed?[/QUOTE]

    yes, radar that was demonstrated prior to ww1 and implemented
    during ww2 thanks to a british record companys research
    was really laid on us at roswell.

    computers, which were being developed decades earlier at places
    like MIT and AT&T suddenly sprouted up after roswell

    i agree, the human race did peak c. 1960 -its all down hill especially
    after 1977

    and furthermore, nothing was invented of note in the last 25 years-
    CD, DVD, HD, PCs, Cell Phones....all alien technology

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    whoa whoa whoa

    CDs AND DVDs were developed? what's next? Blu-RAy DVDs? wow. what a crazy world we live in.

    say what you will, we haven't seen a situation where science literally JUMPED forward since the 60's. Microwaves, rocketry, silicon chips, lasers, digital binary language (the computers you refer to ran on index cards and vacuum tubes) all appeared, basically out of nowhere.

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    Watching the history channel last night and according to the program they were showing the Roswell alien ship was really a super top secret project that was sending high altitude ballons to detect atomic tests that the Soviets may have been doing. If fact they had lost a ballon in bad weather the same day the so called "alien" crash had happened.

    I suppose you guys want to tell me crop circles are the work of aliens too?

    Funny that there is no substantial evidence of any alien space craft. It doesn't make sense. Here is life that has figured out how to travel millions of light years but somehow crashes when it gets here and those who don't crash are in league with our government or are abducting helpless humans.

    I would like to believe that there is other life in the universe but there is nothing that has any convincing background to say that it is true yet.

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    [QUOTE=F-4 Phantom]Watching the history channel last night and according to the program they were showing the Roswell alien ship was really a super top secret project that was sending high altitude ballons to detect atomic tests that the Soviets may have been doing. If fact they had lost a ballon in bad weather the same day the so called "alien" crash had happened.

    I suppose you guys want to tell me crop circles are the work of aliens too?

    Funny that there is no substantial evidence of any alien space craft. It doesn't make sense. Here is life that has figured out how to travel millions of light years but somehow crashes when it gets here and those who don't crash are in league with our government or are abducting helpless humans.

    I would like to believe that there is other life in the universe but there is nothing that has any convincing background to say that it is true yet.[/QUOTE]


    I am virtually certain there is other life in the universe. Whether it is intelligent enough to have mastered interstellar travel? I don't know.

    But I am skeptical about this UFO stuff...seems flimsy.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]whoa whoa whoa

    CDs AND DVDs were developed? what's next? Blu-RAy DVDs? wow. what a crazy world we live in.

    say what you will, we haven't seen a situation where science literally JUMPED forward since the 60's. Microwaves, rocketry, silicon chips, lasers, digital binary language (the computers you refer to ran on index cards and vacuum tubes) all appeared, basically out of nowhere.[/QUOTE]

    wow, just wow-
    just when i think folks cant get more ludicrous
    there you go again & prove me wrong

    rocketry appeared out of nowhere?

    would you believe... goddard's flight was conceived in 1912
    and took place in 1926?

    how about a fact, one youd like: germany fired over 3,000 V2 missiles
    in 1944-45

    binary language to run computers just appeared out of nowhere?

    nice try zippy, but emile baudot developed
    the earliest binary code in the 1870s
    taking off from morse code

    [url="http://www.compkarori.com/dbase/bu07sh.htm"]http://www.compkarori.com/dbase/bu07sh.htm[/url]

    microwaves...first conceptualized in 1864 by james
    maxwell and later demonstrated in the 19th Century
    by hertz and bose

    is moore's law now really mars' law?

    send your bs/ms degrees back to guadalajara u.
    for a refund and so they can fulfill their original purpose-
    as tortilla wraps

    ps thanks for the belly laffs-these last ones might just tide me over
    till your lousy draft prognostications

    but keep em coming anyhoo

    some people read the funny papers
    or smoke em even
    to get through the day and laff at lifes vagueries

    lib* ji posts do the same for me
    and theyre funnier than "cathy" "boondocks" and "love is..."

    well maybe not these*
    * not for minors

    [url="http://theendofhumor.blogspot.com/"]http://theendofhumor.blogspot.com/[/url]
    Last edited by flushingjet; 07-03-2007 at 01:18 PM.

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    [QUOTE=flushingjet]rocketry appeared out of nowhere?[/QUOTE]


    Not, not really.

    Area 51 pic...the real cause of tech boom.
    [IMG]http://www.3dculture.com/bm3d/monolrb.jpg[/IMG]

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    [QUOTE=flushingjet]
    ps thanks for the belly laffs-these last ones might just tide me over
    till your lousy draft prognostications
    [/QUOTE]

    thanks for the book report, did you get your team of crack historians on that one? or is it another slow day in underemployed ******* land.

    what's great about you flushing, it's not enough for you attempt debate civilly, you gotta throw in insults. you gotta take it to the next level

    last time i checked this is a message board - not your childhood, easy on the verbal abuse, cappy.

    i can be wrong, i have been wrong and will be wrong again in the future.

    but you'll always be an a$$hole.

    toilet flush jet, a real class act.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]thanks for the book report, did you get your team of crack historians on that one? or is it another slow day in underemployed ******* land.

    what's great about you flushing, it's not enough for you attempt debate civilly, you gotta throw in insults. you gotta take it to the next level

    last time i checked this is a message board - not your childhood, easy on the verbal abuse, cappy.

    i can be wrong, i have been wrong and will be wrong again in the future.

    but you'll always be an a$$hole.

    toilet flush jet, a real class act.[/QUOTE]

    please - no tears when absurd declarations are so easily dismissed
    theres no crying in ji

    what book report - a chimp googling at random could find
    enough facts to debunk wacky assertions in less than a minute

    surely my essence of being is no less classy than being an know-nothing, unpatriotic, atheist, socialist, anti-semitic, lib*,
    tree-hugging, anti-capitalistic, luddite, rogue nation/terror sympathiser
    n'est-ce pas?

    ill debunk the idiotic whenever i get the chance - its my true calling

    think of it as a public service to augment our weak pc feel-good education system

    i cant waste time on every koo koo post and thread in this
    asylum-only the most stultifyingly wrong-headed get my attention

    the lucky ones get the most attention

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    The Rosewell case has gathered so much hype, heresay, exagerations and outright lies, that it is difficult to know what really happened. If you want to really find the truth, check out these five cases:

    The Shag Harbor Incident - a UFO dove into a harbor in Canada in the mid sixties and had many credible military, police and civilian witnesses.

    Rendlesham Forrest - UFOs were witnessed doing incredible, impossible things at very close range by several military personal at a joint US/british air force base in England in 1980.

    Travis Walton Abduction - Forget the abduction part. A silent, hovering round object was witnessed at very close range by 6 men before it send out a light beam that knocked out walton causing the others to temporarily take off leaving him behind. All of them have passed lie detector tests (twice) and have not changed their story in the past 30 years.

    Phoenix Lights - In March of 1997 hundreds of witnesses saw (and several videotaped) a huge, silent triangle shaped object slowly crossing the Phoenix night sky. Scientific analysis of the lights on the object could not identify them with any kind of known lighting source.

    Suburbs of St. Louis - A low flying, silent, triangle shaped object was seen by 5 different policemen from five different towns. Their recordings to the dispatchers have all been analyzed and the time sequences cooincide with the projected speed and path of the reported object, eliminating any chance of a coordinated hoax.

    These are just five good ones. There are hundreds more. People who don't spend any or much time researching this subject and who don't believe in it are intelligent people just using common sense. People who believe in UFOs who don't spend much time researching it are silly. People who spend a lot of time researching it and don't believe are either idiots or in denial.

    They are real.

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    [QUOTE=dmaynard]

    They are real.[/QUOTE]

    oh great
    break out the nets/tranquilizer darts

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    [QUOTE=dmaynard]They are real.[/QUOTE]

    Lets hope not:
    [IMG]http://www.control.auc.dk/~esch00/hobby/alien/alien-3.gif[/IMG]

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