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    bush frees scooter

    didn't see it posted anywhere. these guys just have no concern for the appearance of impropriety. none.

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    Bush commutes Libby's sentence

    No prison term. The fines stand.[URL]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19570081/?GT1=10150[/URL]

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    Same time. Mods don't read the forum much but if you see this, delete mine. Thanks.

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    ahh, delete mine - b-how was far more eloquent.

    you're right about the mods. if only there was someone who actually wanted to be a mod here... hmmmm....

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    [QUOTE=isired]didn't see it posted anywhere. these guys just have no concern for the appearance of impropriety. none.[/QUOTE]

    no doubt about it - pardoning rogue financiers, government scammers
    and faln bombers looks good & proper next to
    excusing libbys "crime"

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    [QUOTE=isired]didn't see it posted anywhere. these guys just have no concern for the appearance of impropriety. none.[/QUOTE]
    Marc Rich.

    'nuff said.

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    [QUOTE=sackdance]Marc Rich.

    'nuff said.[/QUOTE]

    Ah, the "Clinton did it, too" defense. A fine argument to make when you have no other possible justification.

    Wasn't Bush the one who ran on a platform of "restoring dignity to the Oval Office" or some such nonsense.

    If CBTNY were here, he would call out this "culture of hypocrisy," I'm sure.

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    OT: Bush Spares Libby From Prison...Grant of Executive Clemency...

    This is such f**cking bullsh**t.

    Jul 2, 7:20 PM (ET)

    By BEN FELLER

    WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush spared former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby from a 2 1/2-year prison term in the CIA leak case Monday, stepping into a criminal case with heavy political overtones on grounds that the sentence was just too harsh.

    Bush's move came hours after a federal appeals panel ruled Libby could not delay his prison term in the CIA leak case. That meant Libby was likely to have to report to prison soon and put new pressure on the president, who had been sidestepping calls by Libby's allies to pardon the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney.

    "I respect the jury's verdict," Bush said in a statement. "But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr. Libby is excessive. Therefore, I am commuting the portion of Mr. Libby's sentence that required him to spend thirty months in prison."

    Bush left intact a $250,000 fine and two years probation for Libby, and Bush said his action still "leaves in place a harsh punishment for Mr. Libby."

    Libby was convicted in March of lying to authorities and obstructing the investigation into the 2003 leak of CIA operative's identity. He was the highest-ranking White House official ordered to prison since the Iran-Contra affair.

    Reaction was harsh from Democrats.

    "As Independence Day nears, we are reminded that one of the principles our forefathers fought for was equal justice under the law. This commutation completely tramples on that principle," Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said through a spokesman.

    Libby's supporters celebrated.

    "That's fantastic. It's a great relief," said former Ambassador Richard Carlson, who helped raise millions for Libby's defense fund. "Scooter Libby did not deserve to go to prison and I'm glad the president had the courage to do this."


    A message seeking comment from Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's office was not immediately returned.

    Bush said Cheney's former aide was not getting off free.

    "The reputation he gained through his years of public service and professional work in the legal community is forever damaged," Bush said. "His wife and young children have also suffered immensely. He will remain on probation. The significant fines imposed by the judge will remain in effect. The consequences of his felony conviction on his former life as a lawyer, public servant and private citizen will be long-lasting."

    A spokeswoman for Cheney said simply, "The vice president supports the president's decision."

    The president's announcement came just as prison seemed likely for Libby. He recently lost an appeals court fight that was his best chance to put the sentence on hold, and the U.S. Bureau of Prisons had already designated him inmate No. 28301-016.

    Bush's statement made no mention of the term "pardon," and he made clear that he was not willing to wipe away all penalties for Libby.

    The president noted Libby supporters' argument that the punishment did not fit the crime for a "first-time offender with years of exceptional public service."

    Yet, he added, "Others point out that a jury of citizens weighed all the evidence and listened to all the testimony and found Mr. Libby guilty of perjury and obstructing justice. They argue, correctly, that our entire system of justice relies on people telling the truth. And if a person does not tell the truth, particularly if he serves in government and holds the public trust, he must be held accountable."

    Bush then stripped away the prison time.

    The leak case has hung over the White House for years. After CIA operative Valerie Plame's name appeared in a 2003 syndicated newspaper column, Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald questioned top administration officials, including Bush and Cheney, about their possible roles.

    Nobody was ever charged with the leak, including Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage or White House political adviser Karl Rove, who provided the information for the original article. Prosecutors said Libby obstructed the investigation by lying about how he learned about Plame and whom he told.

    Plame believes Libby and other White House officials conspired to leak her identity to reporters in 2003 as retribution against her husband, Joseph Wilson, who criticized what he said was the administration's misleading use of prewar intelligence on Iraq.

    Attorney William Jeffress said he had spoken to Libby briefly by phone and "I'm happy at least that Scooter will be spared any prison time. ... The prison sentence was imminent but obviously the conviction itself is a heavy blow to Scooter."

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola]Ah, the "Clinton did it, too" defense. A fine argument to make when you have no other possible justification.

    Wasn't Bush the one who ran on a platform of "restoring dignity to the Oval Office" or some such nonsense.

    If CBTNY were here, he would call out this "culture of hypocrisy," I'm sure.[/QUOTE]


    where's the hypocrisy?? clinton did it too??

    or don't you understand the difference between commuting a sentence and a Presidential pardon???

    of course in liberal la-la land commuting a sentence for purgory is equal or worse then presidential pardon's of terrorists, tax evaders, felons, etc...

    if there is hypocrisy it is the fact that no perjury charges have yet been brought against plame for lying under oath......
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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola]Ah, the "Clinton did it, too" defense. A fine argument to make when you have no other possible justification.

    Wasn't Bush the one who ran on a platform of "restoring dignity to the Oval Office" or some such nonsense.

    If CBTNY were here, he would call out this "culture of hypocrisy," I'm sure.[/QUOTE]
    The justification is plain - Libby doesn't deserve to go to jail. I am actually upset that Bush didn't give him a full pardon...Libby deserves one.


    And yes, liberals [I]are[/I] hypocrites. But luckily for them, conservatives are too. So once we get past that, we can talk about why Libby deserves a pardon which, IMO, he does.

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    [QUOTE=jets5ever]The justification is plain - Libby doesn't deserve to go to jail. I am actually upset that Bush didn't give him a full pardon...Libby deserves one...[/QUOTE]


    I don't understand.


    Did he or did he not perjure himself? Weren't we thinking about impeaching the last moron we had for president for perjury too?

    If I lied to a grand jury would I receive a presidential "commuted" sentence or a pardon?

    Lets not kid ourselves here. Libby deflected the grand jury's inquisition away from his boss. He was a "good soldier". For that he should receive a pardon. Because his bosses...whose hides he saved, are still ion the position to grant him clemency. Not because he is some perfect angel who "actually" failed to remember. Politics is dirty business..and what he did was just par for the course. Dems have done the same thing...their feigned outrage is quite hilarious.

    But I don't feel one ounce of sorrow for this prick, Libby. I don't feel bad for his idiot wife and retard children. How many other Americans are incarcerated at this time for less serious crimes? Do we feel bad for them?

    Scooter Libby is a political dirt bag. Just like Clinton.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]of course in liberal la-la land commuting a sentence for purgory is equal or worse then presidential pardon's of terrorists, tax evaders, felons, etc...[/QUOTE]

    FYI Libby IS a felon

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    Most Disagree With Bush's Libby Decision

    A new SurveyUSA instant poll finds just 21% of Americans agree with President Bush's decision to commute Scooter Libby's prison sentence, 60% say Bush should have left the judge's prison sentence in place, and 17% wanted a full pardon.

    Only those familiar with the case were asked to react to the President's action.

    Partisan breakdown: 32% of Republicans agree with the President's decision, compared to 14% of Democrats and 20% of Independents.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan]Lets not kid ourselves here. Libby deflected the grand jury's inquisition away from his boss. He was a "good soldier". For that he should receive a pardon. Because his bosses...whose hides he saved, are still ion the position to grant him clemency. Not because he is some perfect angel who "actually" failed to remember. Politics is dirty business..and what he did was just par for the course. Dems have done the same thing...their feigned outrage is quite hilarious.[/QUOTE]

    Presidential powers of pardon and commutation should not be allowed for members of their administration for that exact reason. It allows for easy cover-ups and protection for the bosses who are/may be the real criminals

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    [QUOTE=jets5ever]The justification is plain - Libby doesn't deserve to go to jail. I am actually upset that Bush didn't give him a full pardon...Libby deserves one.


    And yes, liberals [I]are[/I] hypocrites. But luckily for them, conservatives are too. So once we get past that, we can talk about why Libby deserves a pardon which, IMO, he does.[/QUOTE]

    Okay, explain to me why lying to a grand jury on a matter concerning national security shouldn't carry a prison term when federal sentencing guidelines say it should get 30 months.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]where's the hypocrisy?? clinton did it too??

    or don't you understand the difference between commuting a sentence and a Presidential pardon???

    of course in liberal la-la land commuting a sentence for purgory is equal or worse then presidential pardon's of terrorists, tax evaders, felons, etc...

    if there is hypocrisy it is the fact that no perjury charges have yet been brought against plame for lying under oath......[/QUOTE]

    What Clinton did was outrageous. I fumed at him at the time.

    That doesn't make this anything less than what it is: an abuse of power. Bush has spent his entire career saying executives shouldn't offer pardons/clemency that overrides the will of a jury.

    In Texas, he executed Karla Fay Tucker --who unlike Libby was repentent-- after the pope lobbied for the death sentence to be commuted. Then he mocked her before she died.

    But suddenly, when someone who has the goods on his administration is facing jail time, Bush decides its time to reverse himself. Never mind that there is no dispute over Libby's guilt, and that the sentence was in line with federal sentencing guidelines. Never mind that there is an exhaustive process for applying for a pardon/clemency that was totally disregarded here.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola]Okay, explain to me why lying to a grand jury on a matter concerning national security shouldn't carry a prison term when federal sentencing guidelines say it should get 30 months.[/QUOTE]

    Read Christopher Hitchens' piece on it, says basically what needs to be said.

    We've been over this a million times of this board and liberals have to cling to their "Bush Lied!" fantasies. It's funny to me.

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