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    john conyers....just another hypocritical progressive....

    more from the "you just can't make this sh!t up" spirit.....

    [QUOTE][B]Libby Fallout: House Committee Plans Hearing, Defense Lawyers Rejoice[/B]

    By Paul Kiel - July 5, 2007, 11:39 AM
    It turns out that a president can't make the unprecedented move of commuting a former aide's prison sentence without some consequences.

    On Capitol Hill, House Judiciary Chairman [B]John Conyers (D-MI) [/B] has already called for hearing next Wednesday at noon titled "The Use and Misuse of Presidential Clemency Power for Executive Branch Officials." According to a committee aide, the hearing will have an eye to the future as much as the past. President Bush thinks jail time is "excessive" for an administration official convicted of lying to protect higher administration officials. [B]In his statement announcing the hearing, Conyers worried about such a precedent: "Taken to its extreme, the use of such authority could completely circumvent the law enforcement process and prevent credible efforts to investigate wrongdoing in the executive branch." The aide told me that potential witnesses for the hearing include legal scholars, pardon experts, and administration officials. [/B]

    That's not all. The president's order has created some confusion for Judge Reggie B. Walton, the Bush appointee who was responsible for that "excessive" 30 month sentence. Walton's scratching his head over Bush's move to remove the incarceration portion of the sentence while retaining the two-year period of supervised release which was to follow Libby's jail time, something not technically possible. He's asked both sides to weigh in on what should be done.

    But the biggest impact is likely to come on the broader legal front. As The Los Angeles Times showed yesterday, Libby's prison sentence was not "excessive" by legal standards, but such a statement by the president is sure to be embraced by defense lawyers all around the country (experts have already dubbed such an argument "The Libby Motion"). They're also sure to mention Bush's assertion that Libby's sentence as it stands after the commutation ($250,000 fine and two years probation) is "harsh." Meanwhile, the Times reports, "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday the action would make it harder for them to persuade judges to deliver appropriate sentences." This from an administration that's continually and inflexibly pushed for truly harsh penalties. The New York Sun reports that the first such invocation of Bush's order might come from an alleged Hamas operative convicted of obstruction charges.

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    and when faced with voting on [B]H CON RES 180/BILL TITLE: Expressing the sense of Congress that the President should not have granted clemency to terrorists[/B] (a bill in direct response to clinton's pardon of 16 FALN terrorists) how did conyers vote????

    [url]http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1999/roll398.xml[/url]
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    Great pick-up again, CBTNY.

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    it's ok to commute the sentances of guilty people, just as long as they weren't on your staff.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]it's ok to commute the sentances of guilty people, just as long as they weren't on your staff.[/QUOTE]
    Guess [I]PARDONING [/I] terrorists is OK in your book, as long as they weren't on your staff as you say.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]it's ok to commute the sentances of guilty people, just as long as they weren't on your staff.[/QUOTE]

    what's funny is in the rush the find things wrong about commuting Libby's sentence, the liberal media and their minions have completely ignored the received by Henry Cisneros......

    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Cisneros[/url]

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    the difference between me and the so-called conservatives on this board

    i expect Bush to be morally better than Clinton

    somewhere along the way apparently you disregarded that requirement for the office

    what's next? bush getting friendly with interns? and if that happens that will be ok with you because Bubba did it?

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]i expect Bush to be morally better than Clinton

    somewhere along the way apparently you disregarded that requirement for the office

    what's next? bush getting friendly with interns? and if that happens that will be ok with you because Bubba did it?[/QUOTE]

    Nope...

    The difference here is that the majority of the conservatives (and Bush ain't one) would call for his head...not run around and try to defend him like the liberals did (and still do) with Clinton.

    I agree that I expect Bush to be morally better than Clinton..but the question is, why would you? Are Republican president's held to higher moral standards?

    Libby was convicted of lying in the investigation of a suspected criminal offense, which turned up NOTHING....it was a NON-CRIME. It was not a 'pardon' (complete expungement) it was a commutation of a sentence.

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    Libby was convicted of lying in the investigation of a suspected criminal offense, which turned up NOTHING....it was a NON-CRIME. [/QUOTE]

    maybe but that's up to the courts to decide, not the President and not the people.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]maybe but that's up to the courts to decide, not the President and not the people.[/QUOTE]

    How are the courts supposed to decide a case not brought before it? What I am saying is that the investigation (during which Libby supposedly lied) turned up nothing...no charges were brought on the basis of the investigation....no crime was committed.

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    [QUOTE=Greenwave81]How are the courts supposed to decide a case not brought before it? What I am saying is that the investigation (during which Libby supposedly lied) turned up nothing...no charges were brought on the basis of the investigation....no crime was committed.[/QUOTE]


    and the only people found to be lying about the substantive matter of the whole affair were none other than liar joe wilson and his wife, as the evidence has shown time and time again....

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    [QUOTE][B]Rep. John Conyers Vows Full Review of Presidential Pardon Power
    Thursday, July 05, 2007[/B]

    WASHINGTON — A House Judiciary Committee hearing into the decision to commute the sentence of former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby will also take a look at other presidential pardons, the chairman of the committee said Thursday.

    "Yes, we’re going to review all of them, including Clinton’s, Bush one, Bush two, we’ll go back as far as they want," Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., said in an exclusive interview with FOX News Radio. Conyers added that the Nixon pardon would also be covered in the review.

    [B]"We’ll be doing the research. We won’t need to review each and every one of them but the whole idea is to examine to what use this part of our criminal law is being put and whether it’s being used adequately or are there other changes necessary," he said.[/B][I]classic lib- just cherry pick the facts...[/I]

    [B]Conyers said he doesn't think President Bush acted outside his constitutional authority in commuting Libby's 2 1/2-year prison sentence, but he questions the use of that authority. [/B] [I](funny....as shown above, he had no problem with the use of that power and voting as much when giving clemency to terrorirsts)...[/I]

    The power to pardon is written into the Article II Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution. It states: "He (the president) shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."

    Sentence "We’re trying to examine the use and misuse of the clemency power and the commutation power and we’ll be examining it of all presidents because that’s the only way we can determine whether they’ve been used properly and whether there should be changes considered," Conyers said.

    He added that it "may be another problem" if lawmakers decide they want to do anything short of a constitutional amendment to limit that authority.

    "We may be able to restrict it in some ways, but in addition to, we want everyone to be examining it," he said.

    Ranking Committee Republican Lamar Smith of Texas told FOX News Radio that he was surprised to hear Conyers' plan for the hearing now scheduled for Wednesday.

    "I really on the whole think the Judiciary Committee has a lot better things to do than to spend time investigating what is a constitutional prerogative of any president, Republican or Democrat," Smith said.

    Bush commuted Libby's prison sentence on Monday, but left in place the $250,000 fine and two-years probation. On Thursday, Libby handed over a bank cashier's check to the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia for $250,000, plus an additional $400 for court costs.

    Democrats have been lashing out at Bush for commuting the prison sentence for the former vice presidential chief of staff, convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice in the case of the leak of a CIA employee's name. No one in the Bush administration has been convicted of illegally releasing former CIA staffer Valerie Plame's name.

    Rep. Robert Wexler, D-Fla., announced he will introduce a censure resolution against Bush for his "egregious and politically-motivated commutation of Scooter Libby's prison sentence."

    "This presidential intervention is an unconscionable abuse of authority by George W. Bush, and Congress must step forward and express the disgust that Americans rightfully feel toward this contemptible decision," Wexler said in a statement.

    Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., a 2008 presidential candidate, said the Libby commutation "was clearly an effort to protect the White House. ... There isn't any doubt now, what we know is that Libby was carrying out the implicit or explicit wishes of the vice president, or maybe the president as well, in the further effort to stifle dissent."

    On Thursday, the White House scoffed at Clinton's comments, saying no one batted an eye when, on the last day of his presidency, former President Bill Clinton pardoned 140 people, including fugitive financier Marc Rich. Ironically, Libby had been Rich's attorney.

    "It seems to me that the hypocrisy demonstrated by Democratic leaders on this issue is rather startling. When you think about the previous administration and the 11th hour fire sale pardons, and issues that were provided commutations on the last day in the numbers of the hundreds, in the final time between the post-election period, it's really startling that they have the gall to criticize" Bush's decision, said White House deputy spokesman Scott Stanzel.

    White House Press Secretary Tony Snow said that White House counselor Fred Fielding reviewed Bush's decision to commute the sentence before it was made, and said that Fielding felt Bush was on firm legal ground. He declined suggestions that the White House made a misstep or that Bush did not exercise "proper diligence" in the case.

    "I don't know what Arkansan is for chutzpah, but this is a gigantic case of it," Snow said. As for Conyers' decision to hold a hearing, Snow said he hoped Clinton's pardons would come up too. "Well, fine, knock himself out. ... And while he's at it, why doesn't he look at January 20th, 2001?"

    In his remarks to FOX News Radio, Conyers complained that the commutation sidetracks from the original investigation into Libby, and he expressed frustration that the committee has not learned what was discovered in Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation into the CIA leak.[I]obviously not much if the best he could do in a three year investigation was a purjury charge after learning of the leaker two days into the investigation...[/I]

    "One way or the other that information should be forthcoming," Conyers said, deferring on whether he might call Fitzgerald to address the committee.

    FOX News' Mike Majchrowitz contributed to this report.
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    [url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288238,00.html[/url]

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