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    Sheldon Souray Signs With Oilers

    Well, Souray is off the radar. And to be honest, I'm glad. He's a completely one-dimensional D-man. -28 last year. -27 for his career. A lot of goals for but a lot more against. I was not excited about the Rangers' pursuit of him. His contract? 5 years $27M!!! I think the Oilers way overpaid for this guy. There's no way the Rangers would have or could have been in that neighborhood. But I am glad we will only have to face his blistering slapshot from the point one time this year.

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    Agree 100% Jordy.
    Souray would have been a classic, pre-lockout Ranger signing.
    We are better off he is elsewhere with the bonus that it is 3000 miles away.
    Now, get Avery & Hossa done and let's drop the puck!

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    Oh thank God

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    A lot of people wanted Buffalo to look at him...glad hes off the market.

    That's just what we needed, another overpaid crappy defenseman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken O'Brien #7
    A lot of people wanted Buffalo to look at him...glad hes off the market.

    That's just what we needed, another overpaid crappy defenseman
    'Another overpaid crappy defenseman' with 20+ goals as a PP specialist, God knows nobody wants that... granted his +/- was and is ridiculous, special teams win majority of games, and he my friend, is the QB of PP's.. that sounded bad. Either or, NYR screwed up IMO by signing two C's and no D-men, Buffalo... well.. You guys gave my boys a run for their money in the playoffs before we got slapped around by the ducks... your D-men hold up just fine, you need a true 1st line though, and losing your two C's is a crappy start, hope to see you in it again this year, Miller is a real stud!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel7
    'Another overpaid crappy defenseman' with 20+ goals as a PP specialist, God knows nobody wants that... granted his +/- was and is ridiculous, special teams win majority of games, and he my friend, is the QB of PP's.. that sounded bad. Either or, NYR screwed up IMO by signing two C's and no D-men, Buffalo... well.. You guys gave my boys a run for their money in the playoffs before we got slapped around by the ducks... your D-men hold up just fine, you need a true 1st line though, and losing your two C's is a crappy start, hope to see you in it again this year, Miller is a real stud!
    Yeah, the Rangers D really sucked...#2 in the Eastern Conference in goals allowed. I think the Rangers made a great move in signing two of the best centers available, an area they were sorely lacking. Goals against is not the Rangers problem. Goals for was. As a Sens fan, you may not be aware of Marc Staal who will more than likely be on their blueline next year. As for Souray, what good is it to have a great PP QB when he is on the ice for more goals allowed than he scores? -28 is horrendous and that is why he wasn't signed until several weeks into free agency. He's a one-dimensional player and in today's NHL, one-dimensional players don't help win Championships. And he signed for a ridiculous price. No thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordy
    Yeah, the Rangers D really sucked...#2 in the Eastern Conference in goals allowed. I think the Rangers made a great move in signing two of the best centers available, an area they were sorely lacking. Goals against is not the Rangers problem. Goals for was. As a Sens fan, you may not be aware of Marc Staal who will more than likely be on their blueline next year. As for Souray, what good is it to have a great PP QB when he is on the ice for more goals allowed than he scores? -28 is horrendous and that is why he wasn't signed until several weeks into free agency. He's a one-dimensional player and in today's NHL, one-dimensional players don't help win Championships. And he signed for a ridiculous price. No thank you.
    Couldn't have said it any better myself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordy
    Yeah, the Rangers D really sucked...#2 in the Eastern Conference in goals allowed. I think the Rangers made a great move in signing two of the best centers available, an area they were sorely lacking. Goals against is not the Rangers problem. Goals for was. As a Sens fan, you may not be aware of Marc Staal who will more than likely be on their blueline next year. As for Souray, what good is it to have a great PP QB when he is on the ice for more goals allowed than he scores? -28 is horrendous and that is why he wasn't signed until several weeks into free agency. He's a one-dimensional player and in today's NHL, one-dimensional players don't help win Championships. And he signed for a ridiculous price. No thank you.

    I know very well who every hockey player is, and many of who will make or break next year, I will grant you this.. in about 2-3 years Staal will indeed be more valued than Souray, Rangers have a very good goalie (Don't forget we play Montreal 8 times a year... around 6-7 I attend in person) Don't ever under-rate a man playing infront of a guy that thinks the butterfly is something his defenceman does for him. If goals against are fine and goals for are lacking, wouldn't you want a guy like that as a PP d-man and stick him on the 3rd line so he averages about 10 mins of even strength ice time? Also, I don't think you can justify pissing away all your cap money for two centres that play totally different games, You're team is doing the same thing it did pre-lockout only this time it has to be limited, If you signed one of them it would have been reasonable, but both seems like a reach in my mind. They may very well prove me wrong, but both Toronto and NYR have a history of raping and pilliaging free agency for the best names to fill positions whilst successful teams groom the young talent they aqquire in the draft. Not to say it's never worked before... I see Gomez doing big things for you guys, but I can't for the life of me see why Drury would aswell (or vice-versa). Good luck to your team and all, but until this wins them 3-4 stanley cups I can't justify spending that much money on 2 players when your team is loaded with young talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel7
    I know very well who every hockey player is, and many of who will make or break next year, I will grant you this.. in about 2-3 years Staal will indeed be more valued than Souray, Rangers have a very good goalie (Don't forget we play Montreal 8 times a year... around 6-7 I attend in person) Don't ever under-rate a man playing infront of a guy that thinks the butterfly is something his defenceman does for him. If goals against are fine and goals for are lacking, wouldn't you want a guy like that as a PP d-man and stick him on the 3rd line so he averages about 10 mins of even strength ice time? Also, I don't think you can justify pissing away all your cap money for two centres that play totally different games, You're team is doing the same thing it did pre-lockout only this time it has to be limited, If you signed one of them it would have been reasonable, but both seems like a reach in my mind. They may very well prove me wrong, but both Toronto and NYR have a history of raping and pilliaging free agency for the best names to fill positions whilst successful teams groom the young talent they aqquire in the draft. Not to say it's never worked before... I see Gomez doing big things for you guys, but I can't for the life of me see why Drury would aswell (or vice-versa). Good luck to your team and all, but until this wins them 3-4 stanley cups I can't justify spending that much money on 2 players when your team is loaded with young talent.
    The Rangers have a lot of young talent but the "farm system" is lacking in the area of impact centermen. Nylander was an excellent centermen for us but he was getting up there in age and he wanted too much money. So that left the Rangers with Matt Cullen and Blair Betts as the only natural centermen on the roster and Cullen, in my opinion, is better suited for the wing. In any event, the Rangers' need at center was enormous and they got the best TWO available at a price that SOME TEAM was going to pay. Look what Briere signed for and he wasn't even considered as desireable as Drury and Gomez. So, c'mon, get off the pre-lockout Rangers analogy and accept that the Rangers pulled off a coup. These guys signed for market value. And you feel that 3-4 Stanley Cups is the expectation after signing Drury and Gomez to such deals. Please. And I don't think that winning a Stanley Cup requires a team to have centers who play IDENTICAL styles. Gomez will fit nicely with Jagr and Straka. Drury will fit nicely with Avery and Shanahan. As for Souray, once again, you obviously think more of him than some of us on this board do and obviously more than a lot of NHL teams who chose not to sign him while he was on the market for a few weeks. I stand by my statement that I'm glad the Rangers did not sign him.

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    Fair enough. Not trying to clash heads btw, so sorry if it comes out that way. I always see you defending hockey and will glady admit you know your sh*t. I'm not trying to over-value Souray though... I'm sure we'd all rather have Gomez or Drury, I think he's a good fit on the Oil though. My opinion won't change on signing the pair of them though, but either will your so I guess it's just agree to disagree. I was blowing smoke out of my ass when I said 3-4 cups, just trying to emphasize a point... Next year Fisher is an unrestricted FA, so is Patrick Marleau, so is Joe Sakic, so is Petr Forsberg, Spezza is a RFA so forth... I just don't see the point on pissing away that much for two players, get your point on how they'll perform different on their lines.. but in justification for that... They're both experienced players that hit UFA after years of playing on teams nowhere near similiar. Gomez is a serious guy... I watched him kill my dreams in 02, and hoist the cup on more than one occasion, Drury however, has never IMO provided a reason to be paid more than 3mm. Alot of people would smack me for that, but watched my team absolutely embarass him with their third line, like... not just "kay so he underperformed" they reallly made a joke of him, and the year before when they did that same trick to us it was definately by no doing of him. Whatever though, at the end of the season I will say there's a good chance you can rub this in my face, if you guys are anything like last year the only place you can go is uphill. Definately pulled together a good run.

    BTW, there's a rumour of Redden, Eaves and a 2nd round pick going to NYR for Jagr and Mara... I'd give it a 0.0002% of being plausable, but I'd like to hear your opinion on that... it's more or less fantasy, but if you guys take one of my fave players (Eaves) I might just have to watch all your games

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel7
    Fair enough. Not trying to clash heads btw, so sorry if it comes out that way. I always see you defending hockey and will glady admit you know your sh*t. I'm not trying to over-value Souray though... I'm sure we'd all rather have Gomez or Drury, I think he's a good fit on the Oil though. My opinion won't change on signing the pair of them though, but either will your so I guess it's just agree to disagree. I was blowing smoke out of my ass when I said 3-4 cups, just trying to emphasize a point... Next year Fisher is an unrestricted FA, so is Patrick Marleau, so is Joe Sakic, so is Petr Forsberg, Spezza is a RFA so forth... I just don't see the point on pissing away that much for two players, get your point on how they'll perform different on their lines.. but in justification for that... They're both experienced players that hit UFA after years of playing on teams nowhere near similiar. Gomez is a serious guy... I watched him kill my dreams in 02, and hoist the cup on more than one occasion, Drury however, has never IMO provided a reason to be paid more than 3mm. Alot of people would smack me for that, but watched my team absolutely embarass him with their third line, like... not just "kay so he underperformed" they reallly made a joke of him, and the year before when they did that same trick to us it was definately by no doing of him. Whatever though, at the end of the season I will say there's a good chance you can rub this in my face, if you guys are anything like last year the only place you can go is uphill. Definately pulled together a good run.

    BTW, there's a rumour of Redden, Eaves and a 2nd round pick going to NYR for Jagr and Mara... I'd give it a 0.0002% of being plausable, but I'd like to hear your opinion on that... it's more or less fantasy, but if you guys take one of my fave players (Eaves) I might just have to watch all your games
    No problem here as far as clashing on our opinions. After all, that's what this board is all about. It's the trash-talkers that make it unpleasant. BTW, I appreciate the hockey compliment.

    I can't say I disagree on Drury's "value." I don't think he's a $7M guy either but every source I read said he was going to get that from someone. He's a proven winner and "big goal" scorer so his value lies more in his results and when he achieves them (ie. game winners) more so than his his overall stats or numbers. Plus he's a local kid and I think the fans will love him.

    As for the FA's next year. I've always liked Joe Sakic but the guy will be 39 next year. The Rangers flirted with him several years ago by making the now infamous RFA offer that sent salaries skyrocketing. But if they wanted to pay big money to an aging center, they would have signed Nylander. Sakic's best days are behind him and he's making $6.75M. Marleau and Fisher are excellent players but keep in mind the Rangers window of opportunity is now with Jagr. They don't feel they want to wait until next year to start the push for Lord Stanley's Cup. And if I'm not mistaken, Forsberg is a UFA right now. He's so banged up I think most teams are afraid to commit money to him. Maybe an incentive-laden deal would be the best approach.

    I like the moves the Rangers made except for the Cullen deal. I know it was a cap move but they weakened a position after strengthening it. I'm thinking Schoeny feels Dubinsky is ready to step up and Cullen became expendable.

    As for the "trade" rumor. Wow. That's an interesting deal except I can't imagine the Rangers trading Jagr. It's not a bad deal for the Rangers, however, moving Jagr might cause a lot of PR damage. NY fans love him and the Rangers would be losing their #1 bona fide scoring threat. They wouldn't be replacing his offensive production. They'd be getting a stud D-man and a young up and coming winger. Like you said, I don't give it a lot of probability.

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