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    Venezuelans, fleeing Chavez, seek U.S. safety net

    [QUOTE]MIAMI (Reuters) - A surge in the number of Venezuelans seeking asylum in the United States has some drawing parallels with Communist Cuba in the early 1960s.

    As populist President Hugo Chavez tightens his grip on the world's fifth largest oil producer, wealthy and middle class citizens are fleeing, just as their counterparts did soon after Fidel Castro seized power in Havana more than 40 years ago.

    In 1998, the year Chavez was first elected, just 14 Venezuelans were granted U.S. asylum. That number jumped to 1,086 in the 12 months ending September 30, according to the latest figures from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

    The Venezuelans seeking asylum are just a small part of a big exodus, according to Venezuelan activists in Florida, who say some 160,000 Venezuelans are living in the United States illegally or on overstayed visas.

    Critics of Chavez say that could mushroom as the Venezuelan leader, who dismisses his critics as "terrorists" and "fascists," pursues his vision of a 21st Century socialist revolution.

    "I have no doubt that the middle class and those with some stake in the old Venezuela have legitimate concerns regarding their future livelihood and in some cases safety as the regime hardens and the state moves into every sphere of economic and social activity," said Riordan Roett, director of Latin American studies at Johns Hopkins University.

    "If you have young children, you want out. If you have assets that have been seized, or may be seized, you want out as quickly as possible," Roett added. "If you have land that will be expropriated, leave sooner than later. As the alta (upper) bourgeoisie becomes more and more of a target, you want to leave before Hugo Chavez shuts the door."

    The number of U.S. asylum grants put Venezuela in 11th place, well behind nations such as its neighbor, Colombia, and deeply impoverished Haiti. But more Venezuelans were granted asylum last year than were natives of trouble spots like Iraq, a country reeling from nightmarish levels of violence.

    Asylum is granted by the United States to people who are unable to return to their homeland because of credible fears of persecution. Cases may be filed by individuals or families.

    The high rate of approval for Venezuelan asylum applicants has angered the Chavez government and those who see it as a back-handed stab by Washington at his socialist policies and defiant anti-Americanism. Venezuela today is not a despotic state, and granting Venezuelans asylum is a way to embarrass its government, they say.

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    The anger is compounded by the fact that vigorously anti-Castro Cuban American lawmakers from Florida have become prominent supporters of anti-Chavez Venezuelan exiles and staunch critics of Chavez because of his close ties to Cuba.

    "The United States has politicized the sacrosanct principle of political asylum," Bernardo Alvarez, Venezuela's ambassador to Washington, told Reuters in a recent interview. "There is no political persecution in Venezuela."

    Critics disagree, however, saying asylum seekers are legitimately protesting a president who was acting like a dictator and leading Venezuela toward Cuban-style communism and forcing them to seek refuge abroad.

    "Nobody takes the trouble of emigrating to another country because they're OK back home," said Chavez opponent Carlos Fernandez, who was detained in Venezuela in February 2003.

    "The fact that there are so many Venezuelans coming here and seeking protection clearly demonstrates the persecution."

    Fernandez, 57, was charged with civil rebellion and treason for spearheading a December 2002-January 2003 strike against Chavez that battered Venezuela's economy.

    A trucking executive, he headed the country's Fedecamaras business chamber before fleeing to the United States and his current home in the upscale Fort Lauderdale suburb of Weston, known locally as "Westonzuela."

    Horacio Medina, 54, was a leader of Venezuela's oil workers' union before fleeing the country in December 2004, in the face of what he says were death threats and an arbitrary arrest order for his prominent role in the two-month strike.

    He too is in Weston and said he is one of thousands of former employees of the state oil company Petroleos de Venezuela now working abroad from Alberta, Canada, to Argentina.

    "Chavez accused us all of being terrorists," said Medina.

    "I'm capable of doing whatever I have to, as long as it's dignified and something clean," said Medina, who noted that his jobs since he left Venezuela had included everything from home inspection to pizza delivery.

    "I would never agree to work for a government like Chavez's," he said.

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    [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070716/lf_nm/usa_venezuela_asylum_dc_2[/url]


    Chavez!! A great leader of people!!

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    Chavez really played the retards in this country, didn't he? He had everyone going from Cindy Sheehan to Jimmy Carter to the UN to poor people in Harlem who think Bush is the white devil. It's almost embarrassing.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec]Chavez really played the retards in this country, didn't he? He had everyone going from Cindy Sheehan to Jimmy Carter to the UN to poor people in Harlem who think Bush is the white devil. It's almost embarrassing.[/QUOTE]

    And don't forget Rudy Giuliani, either. His company does business with Chavez.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola]And don't forget Rudy Giuliani, either. His company does business with Chavez.[/QUOTE]


    That's true, but I didn't see Giulianni in the streets of upper Manhattan locking arms with Chavez and doing a little jig as recently as a few months ago.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec]That's true, but I didn't see Giulianni in the streets of upper Manhattan locking arms with Chavez and doing a little jig as recently as a few months ago.[/QUOTE]

    Because taking money from him is so much more noble.
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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola]Because taking money from him is so much more noble.[/QUOTE]


    Do you think the [I]average [/I]voter (who, you must admit, is quite stupid) takes the time to do research about Rudy's business dealings, or just settles on looking at pictures on the TV/internet news?

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    [QUOTE=pauliec]Do you think the [I]average [/I]voter (who, you must admit, is quite stupid) takes the time to do research about Rudy's business dealings, or just settles on looking at pictures on the TV/internet news?[/QUOTE]

    No question.

    But this thread is about him being a scumbag, not the political ramifications of him being a scumbag, and the post I was responding to seemed to suggest only one side is aligned with this guy.

    The truth is there are people on both sides of the political spectrum who are cozier with him than they probably ought to be.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola]No question.

    But this thread is about him being a scumbag, not the political ramifications of him being a scumbag, and the post I was responding to seemed to suggest only one side is aligned with this guy.

    The truth is there are people on both sides of the political spectrum who are cozier with him than they probably ought to be.[/QUOTE]


    I wasn't suggesting anything. The people who made public appearances with him were Sheehan, Carter, The Reverends Sharpton and Jackson, and a bunch of people in Harlem who can't afford to heat their homes.

    While one high-profile neocon is doing some dirty back-room dealings with him, many high-profile liberals were hanging out with Chavez, making a big spectacle of themselves.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec]I wasn't suggesting anything. The people who made public appearances with him were Sheehan, Carter, The Reverends Sharpton and Jackson, and a bunch of people in Harlem who can't afford to heat their homes.

    While one high-profile neocon is doing some dirty back-room dealings with him, many high-profile liberals were hanging out with Chavez, [B]making a big spectacle of themselv[/B]es.[/QUOTE]

    Again, Rudy was making bucks baby......

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]Again, Rudy was making bucks baby......[/QUOTE]


    ditto for hussien obama who was raking it in hand over fist from Rezko.....

    care to address the topic of the thread, or you just going on your usual "I hate everything/anything that doesn't ageee with my lunatic leftist views" tangent???

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]ditto for hussien obama who was raking it in hand over fist from Rezko.....

    care to address the topic of the thread, or you just going on your usual "I hate everything/anything that doesn't ageee with my lunatic leftist views" tangent???[/QUOTE]

    Are you actually equating Tony Rezko --a corrupt real estate developer and political hack-- with Hugo Chavez, an oppressive dictator?

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]ditto for hussien obama who was raking it in hand over fist from Rezko.....

    care to address the topic of the thread, or you just going on your usual "I hate everything/anything that doesn't ageee with my lunatic leftist views" tangent???[/QUOTE]

    The topic is about Chavez whom Rudy is raking in the dough from. There are at least 4 other posts with Rudy in them....

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]Again, Rudy was making bucks baby......[/QUOTE]


    Ok. Does the dollar amount somehow make his crime better/worse?

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola]Are you actually equating Tony Rezko --a corrupt real estate developer and political hack-- with Hugo Chavez, an oppressive dictator?[/QUOTE]


    one is close to being a convicted felon (rezko) which handed obama $$$$$ in donations and great RE deals...

    the other (chavez) was a "democratically" elected leader whose belief pattern parrellels from your side of the political aisle...just ask dumbdawg...

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]one is close to being a convicted felon (rezko) which handed obama $$$$$ in donations and great RE deals...

    the other (chavez) was a "democratically" elected leader whose belief pattern parrellels from your side of the political aisle...just ask dumbdawg...[/QUOTE]

    So was that a yes or a no on the equivocation of Rezko and Chavez?

    Do you really see no difference between a corrupt fundraiser and a dictator?

    And, if you do see a difference, why did you bring Rezko up in a thread about Chavez, which you started?

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola]So was that a yes or a no on the equivocation of Rezko and Chavez?

    Do you really see no difference between a corrupt fundraiser and a dictator?

    And, if you do see a difference, why did you bring Rezko up in a thread about Chavez, which you started?[/QUOTE]

    sure I see the difference; fact is many from your side of the political aisle idolize chavez...

    but I digress; citgo, who guiliani's firm represents, also employs a lot of American's...their success in this country is depedent on people deciding to purchase or not purchase their products....citgo has not been found of any wrong doing here nor are they under indictment- unlike rezko, who is tied to hussien obama, hook-line-sinker....

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    Kinda funny if you ask me...tit-for-tat. Chavez tries to paint Bush's gov as evil, Bush sticks it back to him by upping the asylum grants. Hopefully, this asylum story is getting as much run in Venezuela. They did put on a good Copa Cup though. Brazil beat Argentina like red-headed step children-dang, with all the hype for Argentina, and then they went out there and laid an egg against their rivals-it kinda reminded me of the Jets in some way.

    Anyway...

    Nobody should get too righteous on doing business with Chavez. Half of your mutual funds/401k's/retirement plans are probably linked in some way to Hugo's essentially state controlled oil biz. Was it Exxon that pulled out after the last deal? No matter, they're all doing biz in much nicer places like the middle east or Nigeria :rolleyes:

    On the bright side, looks like we'll be getting a fresh influx of low cost labor. Too many areas have been cracking down on the illegals, so it looks like there may have not been enough folks to work the fields and run construction/landscaping. Colorado actually put prisoners to work at $7/hour...THE HORROR!

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]sure I see the difference; fact is many from your side of the political aisle idolize chavez...

    but I digress; citgo, who guiliani's firm represents, also employs a lot of American's...their success in this country is depedent on people deciding to purchase or not purchase their products....citgo has not been found of any wrong doing here nor are they under indictment- unlike rezko, who is tied to hussien obama, hook-line-sinker....[/QUOTE]

    So in your book, you can do the bidding of a dictator, so long as the division of the dictator's regime that you're working for employs Americans?

    Interesting standard.

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    [QUOTE=frostlich]Kinda funny if you ask me...tit-for-tat. Chavez tries to paint Bush's gov as evil, Bush sticks it back to him by upping the asylum grants. Hopefully, this asylum story is getting as much run in Venezuela. They did put on a good Copa Cup though. Brazil beat Argentina like red-headed step children-dang, with all the hype for Argentina, and then they went out there and laid an egg against their rivals-it kinda reminded me of the Jets in some way.

    Anyway...

    Nobody should get too righteous on doing business with Chavez. Half of your mutual funds/401k's/retirement plans are probably linked in some way to Hugo's essentially state controlled oil biz. Was it Exxon that pulled out after the last deal? No matter, they're all doing biz in much nicer places like the middle east or Nigeria :rolleyes:

    On the bright side, looks like we'll be getting a fresh influx of low cost labor. Too many areas have been cracking down on the illegals, so it looks like there may have not been enough folks to work the fields and run construction/landscaping. Colorado actually put prisoners to work at $7/hour...THE HORROR![/QUOTE]


    low cost labor or talented engineers with experience in the oil business????

    ...it's the skilled labor and workforce who wants out, not the tomato pickers...

    my f-i-l, an Italian immigrant of 50 years, had a cousin who stayed on the boat and went to Venezuela around the same time....very successful kitchen builder....says the country, it's infrastructure and it's services has gone to hell the past half dozen years...wants to get out in the worst but he's in his 70's and is afraid to do so for a variety of reasons...

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]low cost labor or talented engineers with experience in the oil business????

    ...it's the skilled labor and workforce who wants out, not the tomato pickers...

    my f-i-l, an Italian immigrant of 50 years, had a cousin who stayed on the boat and went to Venezuela around the same time....very successful kitchen builder....says the country, it's infrastructure and it's services has gone to hell the past half dozen years...wants to get out in the worst but he's in his 70's and is afraid to do so for a variety of reasons...[/QUOTE]

    LOL...easy CBNY...I'm on board with you. I was only trying, in a lame attempt, to be kinda funny('bout the mater pickers).

    On a serious note, from what I've read, I wish we would open the immigration door to more professionals (engineers, techies, doctors, etc.). After 9/11, we've closed the door to too many of them.

    I feel bad for your f-i-l's cousin. Even with Hugo raping oil revenues from companies, he's apparently running the country into the ground.

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