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    Troop blogs show increasing criticism of war

    DENVER — With the world being bombarded by all factions on their side on the war in Iraq, U.S. soldiers Internet blogs provided the kind of public relations Madison Avenue would drool over.

    Soldiers told of helping Iraqi families, the loss of friends and their dangerous daily missions.

    In the past year, as soldiers and Marines return for the second, third or even fourth deployments, and the death toll approaches 4,000, some soldiers began questioning the war.

    At the very least they risk administrative punishments, called Article 15s, though if it has happened it has been kept quiet.

    “The toothpaste is out of the tube. And, try as they might, the military’s information nannies are not going to be able to stuff it back in,” said Noah Schatman of Wired Magazine in an e-mail from Taji, Iraq. He said soldiers will pay $55 a month for a private connection.

    [COLOR=Red][B]The military is so petrified it will lose information control screensavers were installed on military computers warning blogs could jeopardize security, said Schatman, who runs Wired’s Danger Room blog and has tracked the unofficial use of the Internet by soldiers.[/B][/COLOR]

    The campaign has led some soldiers to steer clear of the Internet. Others do it anyway as confusion reigns because of conflicting signals sent from Washington, he said.

    [COLOR=Red][B]“President Eisenhower warned of the growing military industrial complex in his farewell address. Since Dick Cheney can now afford solid gold oil derricks, it’s safe to say we failed Ike miserably. After losing two friends and over a dozen comrades, I have this to say: Do not wage war unless it is absolutely, positively the last ditch effort for survival,” wrote Spc. Alex Horton, 22, of the 3rd Stryker Brigade in Army of Dude. “In the future, I want my children to grow up with the belief that what I did here was wrong, in a society that doesn’t deem that idea unpatriotic,” he blogged.[/B][/COLOR]

    Sgt. Thomas Strickland, 27, of Douglasville, Ga., calling himself the Rev Wayfarer, was one of the earliest to speak out publicly. Two days before he drowned in a vehicle accident at Mahmudijah on his second tour he condemned the leadership in “One Foot in the Grave.” He asked what the chain of command had been doing since his first tour. “We were winning somewhat when I left. And now we are being pinned down in our own (expletive deleted) homes. Insurgents are pushing locals out of their homes and taking over my area at will.”

    Spc. Eleonai Israel of Bowling Green, Ky., court-martialed and given a less than honorable discharge last month after refusing to go on combat missions, said that like Horton he never heard a peep about what he said on his MySpace site during his year in Iraq.

    “The truth will come out, and there is nothing they can do to hide it. The occupation is a disaster. I’m convinced that everyday it continues that it makes America, and the Iraqis less safe,” he said on his MySpace Blog. He now works for the presidential campaign of Democrat Mike Gravel of Alaska.

    Eugene Fidell, president of the National Institute of Military Justice, said a soldier would have to go pretty far before facing any retribution, and officers would be more vulnerable. “The government never wants to make someone a martyr,” he said.

    “It’s the first digital war. It’s exciting to watch this because it is going to raise rich issues,” said Fidell, who also teaches at Yale, American University and practices law. Loren Thompson, CEO of the Lexington Insatiate, a Washington, D.C.-based think tank, agreed.

    “It’s the subversive nature of the Internet. Technology has caught up with the soldiers, who have always known what was really going on but didn’t have the tools to tell their story,” said Thompson.

    The Army has said winning the information war is necessary to win the ground war. Insurgents agree. Tributes to Saddam Hussein are uploaded to YouTube, along with alleged film showing attacks on convoys. Some caught in the middle post their travails. The Army also uploads videos. In many cases it is impossible to verify or even identify who the source is, and it must be taken with a grain of digital salt.

    In April, the Army announced new rules on blogging that required soldiers to clear them with a superior. Access to MySpace and some other popular Web sites was blocked. The Army said it was not trying to stop soldiers from speaking their mind, however. And so far, some of them have been.

    [url]http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2007/09/ap_soldierblogs_070909/[/url]

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    So, when troops complian, it's valid.

    But when they support, it is safely ignored (by you).

    Doesn't seem quite right Dawgg.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]So, when troops complian, it's valid.

    But when they support, it is safely ignored (by you).

    Doesn't seem quite right Dawgg.[/QUOTE]
    Never question a proud Marine (or a fake one) as he attempts to undermine fellow Marines overseas. [COLOR=Blue][I]KO ko's Hannitty, Hoo-Haa![/I] [/COLOR]

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    One thing that seems to be lost here is if you speak out while in the military you better be positive or no one will hear what you have to say.

    Has anyone watch the new HBO special Alive Day? Watch it is very well done, words can not say enough about these soldiers. The majority of these soldiers were killed or became amputees because we waited to buy Stryker vehicles over three years late. Billions of dollars and there are as many amputee soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan as there were during the Civil War.

    [url]http://www.hbo.com/aliveday/[/url]

    [QUOTE=Warfish]So, when troops complian, it's valid.

    But when they support, it is safely ignored (by you).

    Doesn't seem quite right Dawgg.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=cr726]The majority of these soldiers were killed or became amputees because we waited to buy Stryker vehicles over three years late.[/QUOTE]

    Ok. And if you really could trace who killed funding for those vehicles, and other expensive millitary projects, I'd be willing to bet you'd find just as many Democrats as you do Republicans. Remeber, Democrats have a long history of slashing millitary funding in order to grow social service funding.....which sounds great, till a War drops.

    There is more than enough blame to go around in relation to the Iraq War. The problem (as I see it) is too many people want to blame all the right, or all the left, and don't bother looking for solutions (which almost always reside someplace in the middle.)

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]So, when troops complian, it's valid.

    But when they support, it is safely ignored (by you).

    Doesn't seem quite right Dawgg.[/QUOTE]
    Not at all. the point is people in the military, like the American public , have strong feelings about this war. BOTH PRO and CON. Therefore when someone is speaking out against this war, the rightwinger's knee jerk reaction to call someone "unpatriotic" or "rooting against the troops" or "defeates" is simply crap. And its a weak cop-out to end the debate.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]Not at all. the point is people in the military, like the American public , have strong feelings about this war. BOTH PRO and CON. Therefore when someone is speaking out against this war, the rightwinger's knee jerk reaction to call someone "unpatriotic" or "rooting against the troops" or "defeates" is simply crap. [B]And its a weak cop-out to end the debate.[/B] [/QUOTE]
    Then by this argument you must agree that "If you support the war why don't you just sign-up" is also a weak cop-out to end debate.

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    [QUOTE=HDCentStOhio]Then by this argument you must agree that "If you support the war why don't you just sign-up" is also a weak cop-out to end debate.[/QUOTE]
    Of course it is!
    When have i ever told anyone they should "sign-up"?

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    I agree with you.


    [QUOTE=Warfish]Ok. And if you really could trace who killed funding for those vehicles, and other expensive millitary projects, I'd be willing to bet you'd find just as many Democrats as you do Republicans. Remeber, Democrats have a long history of slashing millitary funding in order to grow social service funding.....which sounds great, till a War drops.

    There is more than enough blame to go around in relation to the Iraq War. The problem (as I see it) is too many people want to blame all the right, or all the left, and don't bother looking for solutions (which almost always reside someplace in the middle.)[/QUOTE]

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    Just imagine the amount of blogs there would have been during WW1 and WW11 and Korea!

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan]Just imagine the amount of blogs there would have been during WW1 and WW11 and Korea![/QUOTE]
    Imagine there were no lib-bloggers
    It's easy if you try
    No General Betray us
    No more hoping GIs die
    Imagine all these bloggers
    Seeing the light of day

    Imagine there's no kos kids
    It isn't hard to do
    No one to scream or rant at
    And no crooksandliars too
    Imagine all those people
    Saying things to people's face

    You may love the Cleveland steamer
    And you're not the only one
    I hope someday you'll shut up
    And our country's efforts could be as one

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    It is in the best interest of the DOD to not let the bloggers show how they really feel about the war. It is not as clear cut as many on the right want to believe.

    Many Soliders and Marines want out of the war. Clearly this is not what they signed up for. A war should have the backing of the nation. The political infrastructure is not in place. The country is not mobiliezed for war and yet we expect these Marines and Soldiers to fight it.

    We should be building MRAPS for the troops at the necessary level. The gov't has not ensured that this is being done. Sure it is easy to want to blame the democrats. They are not the ones in charge of the war. The fault has to be on Bush.

    He is the one in charge and deserves all of the credit when it goes well just as eating the blame like in this case when it fails.

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