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    Licenses for illegal immigrants: el dutche sptizer rolls on....

    [QUOTE][B]Lou Dobbs Vs. Gov. Spitzer, Live on CNN
    By LARRY McSHANE Ė 1 day ago [/B]

    NEW YORK (AP) ó Lou Dobbs is sorry about calling Gov. Eliot Spitzer an idiot.

    Sincerely.

    As for ripping the New York Democrat as arrogant, spineless and "a spoiled rich kid brat," the host of CNN's "Lou Dobbs Tonight" stands by those nationally broadcast broadsides.

    Absolutely.

    Dobbs has made Spitzer an almost daily target over his recent plan to ease restrictions on illegal immigrants seeking New York state driver's licenses, mixing vitriol with sarcasm while endlessly lambasting the governor's decision.

    The lifelong Republican has taken on politicians of every stripe, as when he blasted the Bush administration over port security. But his nightly diatribe against Spitzer is notable for its intensity, and for elevating a state proposal onto the national stage.

    "What he's doing is an outrageous, arrogant abuse of power," Dobbs said in an interview before a recent show. "He's pandering to a constituency aligned directly against the interests of U.S. and New York state citizens."

    Dobbs' ire boiled over Tuesday night when he ripped Spitzer as an idiot ó and then offered an on-air mea culpa.

    "I'm the idiot," Dobbs said. "Governor, I apologize for calling you one. Your policies are idiotic. But I have to apologize for calling you an idiot."

    Dobbs shouldn't hold his breath waiting for a bouquet of roses (the state flower) and a thank-you note from Spitzer.

    "Mr. Dobbs has clearly demonstrated that he is not interested in a real debate on New York's driver's license policy change," said Jennifer Givner, a Spitzer spokeswoman. "He has repeatedly refused to offer balanced coverage of the issue."

    Dobbs has turned the first-term governor into a verbal pinata over his September announcement that illegal immigrants with valid foreign passports could obtain a driver's license.

    Spitzer has said the plan, set to go into effect this December, would make New York safer by bringing its 1 million illegal immigrants "out of the shadows."

    The decision reversed a 2002 order by former Gov. George Pataki issued after the 9/11 attacks, and placed Spitzer directly in Dobbs' cable crosshairs. But Dobbs, while perhaps the highest-profile critics of the plan, is not alone: a state poll showed 72 percent of New Yorkers opposed Spitzer on this issue, and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has also expressed skepticism.

    Spitzer, in a speech last week, noted that "despite the hysteria this policy has created in some circles, it is simply a return to the policy we had for most of our state's history."

    Dobbs is hardly swayed by the history lesson, complaining the relaxed license requirement could produce voter fraud and raise security issues. Spitzer has ignored repeated invitations to appear on the program, Dobbs said; the show has turned down guests supporting Spitzer, including former national counterterrorism adviser Richard A. Clarke, according to Givner.

    Dobbs, who has made immigration one of his show's centerpiece issues, was criticized last week in a New York Times editorial for his Spitzer bashing.

    "Mr. Dobbs has trained his biggest guns on Mr. Spitzer, branding him with puerile epithets like `spoiled rich-kid brat' and depicting his policy as some sort of sanctuary program for the 9/11 hijackers," the Times wrote. "Someday there may be a calm debate, in Albany and nationally, about immigrant drivers.

    "With Mr. Dobbs at the megaphone, for now there is only histrionics and outrage."

    Dobbs isn't expecting any apology from the Times. And he has few kind words for the newspaper.

    "The New York Times is the house organ for Gov. Spitzer," Dobbs said. "They're wrong on this issue, as they are on many others."

    Dobbs draws a nightly audience of roughly 800,000, making him second in CNN viewers to Larry King's nightly program. He has no intention of lightening up on Spitzer.

    "Why should I?" Dobbs asked. "He's wrong. This issue is of vital importance to the state of New York and the nation. My job as an advocacy journalist is to confront directly abuses of power and wrongheaded politics."

    And sure enough, 24 hours after his "idiot" apology, Dobbs was again taking shots at Spitzer.

    "This governor is irresponsible," Dobbs told his audience. "It's clear arrogance. ... He has declared himself to be what people hoped he would not be ó and that is an arrogant tool of special interests."

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    [url]http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hFrTRb7g87zMZXWh-jqv9pRWrU4AD8SILMO02[/url]

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    [QUOTE][B]Spitzer is just beyond belief [/B]

    New School President and former U.S. Sen. Bob Kerrey (D-Neb.) once described Bill Clinton as "an unusually good liar." Well, Gov. Spitzer is an unusually bad one.

    The hedges, half-truths and howlers Spitzer is spouting to explain his U-turn on driver's licenses for illegal immigrants are fooling no one - except maybe the governor himself.

    The truth of the matter is that Spitzer caved, big-time, to overwhelming popular opposition. Instead of offering a single ID card to all New York residents, both legal and illegal - which was his original plan - he's now proposing a complicated three-tiered system that relegates illegals to the bottom tier.

    It's a defensible compromise, similar to what this column recommended last week. It gives the 1 million illegals living in New York a right to drive, brings New York into compliance with security standards in the federal Real ID Act and - last, but not least - shows a healthy respect for the 72% of New Yorkers who opposed his earlier plan.

    But Spitzer needs to be honest in defending his course correction. Instead, he digs himself deeper into a hole.

    First, he absurdly refuses to admit that his new position is a compromise, let alone a flip-flop. He told The New York Times that the deal he announced with U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff on Saturday was "not at all a shift." The Times found that so convincing that it began the next day's story with the words, "In a major shift ..."

    Then Spitzer wrote in an Op-Ed piece for the Daily News that "New Yorkers will have the option of three secure licenses - meeting the standards established by Real ID." In fact, the federal law specifically says licenses issued to illegal immigrants do not meet Real ID standards. That's why Spitzer must print "not valid for federal purposes" on the third-tier licenses he's making available to illegals.

    But Spitzer's biggest whopper is claiming a seal of approval from the Bush administration. A statement the governor issued Sunday called it "the plan the Department of Homeland Security has endorsed" - strongly implying that the feds were okay with licenses for illegals.

    Here's what Chertoff actually said: "I don't endorse giving licenses to people who are not here legally, but federal law does allow states to make that choice."

    Fibs big and small are nothing new for this governor. What my colleague Michael Goodwin calls Spitzer's "shaky relationship with the truth" goes back at least to his run for attorney general in 1994, when he skirted the law to accept millions in campaign loans from his father and lied to cover that up.

    Sometimes it's just particularly unconvincing political spin, as when he claimed victory in this year's budget negotiations. In truth, Senate Majority Leader Joe Bruno had him for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

    Then there was his statement that his office "fully cooperated" with Attorney General Andrew Cuomo's investigation of the Troopergate affair - when he knew full well that two of his top aides, on the advice of his lawyer, had refused to be questioned.

    The real story came out - convincing virtually everyone that Spitzer had something to hide and helping inflate what should have been a minor flap into a paralyzing months-long scandal.

    It's getting to the point where no one can trust what he says anymore. Certainly not the Senate Democrats, who cast politically risky votes last week in defense of Spitzer's one-license-for-all plan, based on his word - only to find out later that he was deep in negotiations with Chertoff at the time.

    The worst thing is Spitzer seems to buy his own line. Asked last week about gridlock in Albany, widely viewed as the worst ever, Spitzer said, "Things are moving ahead in a spectacular manner."

    If you say so, governor.
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    [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/10/30/2007-10-30_spitzer_is_just_beyond_belief.html?print=1[/url]

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    [QUOTE][B]Spitzer Sued Over License Plan
    Story Published: Oct 31, 2007 at 6:40 PM EDT [/B]


    Governor Eliot Spitzer's plan to issue driver's licenses to illegal aliens has sparked legal action by Assembly republicans, and created a point of controversy for the democratic candidates for president.

    Assembly Minority Leader James Tedisco (R,C,I-Schenectady-Saratoga) plans to file a lawsuit Thursday accusing Spitzer and DMV Commissioner David Swarts of attempting to enact an "unlawful plan." Tedisco cites five causes of action, including an existing state law that requires driver's license applicants to have a valid Social Security number.

    Moderator Tim Russert asked Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) about Spitzer's plan during a Democratic Presidential Candidates' Debate in Philadelphia Tuesday night.

    After initially saying , "What Spitzer is trying to do is fill the vacuum left by the failure of [the Bush] administration to bring about comprehensive immigration reform," she later said, "Do I think this is the best thing for any governor to do? No."

    Clinton's democratic rivals pounced on what they perceived as a flip-flop.

    "Unless I missed something, Senator Clinton said two different things in the course of about two minutes," John Edwards said.

    Dr. Bob Green, a professor of political science at Cazenovia College, said the criticism leveled by Edwards and Barack Obama (D-IL) prove they are trying to catch-up to Clinton.

    "About all that you can do if you're as far behind the frontrunner as Obama is and Edwards is, is attack," Green said. "In fact, last night's debate showed just how well she is doing."

    Clinton's comments do not constitute an actual flip-flop, Green said, because she has never previously stated her opinion on Spitzer's driver's license plan. Regardless, he said the perceived change of opinion will not be fatal to her campaign.

    "She is doing just fine," he said.

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    [url]http://www.wtvh.com/news/local/10925831.html[/url]

    wonder if prince eliot will send his gestapo after these guys the way he sent them after Bruno....

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    [QUOTE][B]A Day Later, Clinton Embraces Spitzerís License Effort
    By Adam Nagourney[/B]

    A day after she appeared to struggle to give her views on the subject, Hillary Rodham Clinton offered support today for Gov. Eliot Spitzerís effort to award New York driverís licenses to illegal immigrants, as her campaign sought to contain potentially damaging fallout from what her own supporters saw as a tense and listless debate performance.

    Mrs. Clintonís statement affirming her support of Mr. Spitzer in his office came less than a day after she offered a muddled and hesitant position on the bill, prompting a round of denunciations by her opponents. It signaled the extent to which her advisers viewed that moment as the biggest misstep she made in the debate, and one with long-term potential to undermine her candidacy.

    ďSenator Clinton supports governors like Governor Spitzer who believe they need such a measure to deal with the crisis caused by this administrationís failure to pass comprehensive immigration reform,íĒ her campaign said.

    Mrs. Clintonís aides said her statement was intended to signal that she broadly supported Mr. Spitzerís goal of awarding driverís licenses to illegal immigrants. Mr. Spitzer initially proposed a blanket program of awarding full-fledged driverís licenses to illegal immigrants; in the face of sharp opposition from the Legislature, he backed off and presented a two-tier program system of awarding licenses to illegal immigrants.

    Mrs. Clintonís advisers said that she had not studied either plan, and was not specifically endorsing either of them.

    Still, the wording of the statement was murkier than what many of her opponents have said in either supporting or opposing Mr. Spitzerís initiatives. Among those opposing it were Senator Christopher Dodd of Connecticut; Senator Barack Obama of Illinois supported it.

    Still, the release of the statement suggested her advisers believed it was politically wiser to embrace a position that could clearly hurt her in a general election rather than risk providing more fuel to what has emerged as a damaging line of criticism: That she, taking advantage of her dominant position in some polls, is not being candid about her views and about would she would do as president........
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    [url]http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/a-day-later-clinton-embraces-spitzers-license-effort/[/url]

    glad she didn't dissapoint....

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    insanity

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    [QUOTE][B]Gun experts say Eliot Spitzer's plan a license to buy guns

    BY JOE MAHONEY
    DAILY NEWS ALBANY BUREAU CHIEF

    Friday, November 2nd 2007, 4:00 AM
    [/B]

    Once they got driver's licenses under Gov. Spitzer's plan, illegal immigrants could arm themselves to the teeth simply by lying about their status, gun experts said Thursday.

    ALBANY - Once they got driver's licenses under Gov. Spitzer's plan, illegal immigrants could arm themselves to the teeth simply by lying about their status, gun experts said Thursday.

    "They could definitely get shotguns and rifles," said Thomas King, executive director of the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association.

    King said illegal immigrants could simply go to gun shops, use the licenses as ID, pick out the long guns of their choice and attest on Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives forms that they are citizens or legal residents.

    As long as a computer check showed the customer had no criminal record or outstanding arrest warrants, the gun dealer would likely complete the sale - because there are no other records that would flag illegal immigrants.

    Meanwhile, Mayor Bloomberg took issue with Spitzer's plan again, saying on CNN that only those who have obtained "secure" licenses should be allowed to buy guns in New York State.

    The issue flared up at a state Senate hearing this week when Motor Vehicles Commissioner David Swarts conceded that a driver's license could be used as identification to buy weapons.

    Spitzer aides called such a scenario highly unlikely. If illegal immigrants wanted a gun, they'd more likely buy them on the streets, they reasoned.

    Sheriff Michael Amato, vice president of the New York State Sheriffs' Association, said Swarts didn't misspeak.

    Amato said he feared members of terrorist sleeper cells will exploit Spitzer's license program to get rifles because penalties for fraud would not be enough to discourage lying.

    "This doesn't make us more secure," Amato said, rejecting one of Spitzer's central arguments.

    On the MSNBC talk show "Hardball" last night, Spitzer rejected the notion that the no-frills licenses for illegal immigrants could be used as "breeder documents" - creating further deception about their true status and creating a potential security risk.

    "If it gives somebody's age and they're old enough to have a drink, I suppose it could be used for that," the governor said.

    Assembly Republicans sued yesterday in state Supreme Court in Albany to stop the license plan, saying Spitzer exceeded his authority.
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    [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/11/02/2007-11-02_gun_experts_say_eliot_spitzers_plan_a_li-1.html[/url]

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    Q: If the Joe Bruno blowup** never happened - would Spitzer have started this ill-fated campaign? It's so bad it's trapping Hillary [I]and [/I]Obama.

    ** A rather avoidable scandal, if you ask me. Albany was not a terribly difficult place for a Democratic governor to assert himself at the start of 2007. If Spitzer just did his job, at least for a few months, and ignored the opposition he would be writing his ticket as the ultimate tough guy Democrat. Instead he's made himself walking kryptonite.

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;2190265]Q: If the Joe Bruno blowup** never happened - would Spitzer have started this ill-fated campaign? It's so bad it's trapping Hillary [I]and [/I]Obama.

    ** A rather avoidable scandal, if you ask me. Albany was not a terribly difficult place for a Democratic governor to assert himself at the start of 2007. If Spitzer just did his job, at least for a few months, and ignored the opposition he would be writing his ticket as the ultimate tough guy Democrat. Instead he's made himself walking kryptonite.[/QUOTE]

    bingo.....he's got to try and curry favor from the far left wing and, in a nutshell, is cutting his own balls off....

    I really want to hear someone talk about the potential voter fraud aspect of this plan, which is another reason el duetche wants in and the hillary's are running to his side...

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    Prototype of NYS Undocumented Workers Lie sence

    [IMG]http://www.bluesalley.net/Fans/ca_license.jpg[/IMG]

    Elliot, my hombre....:D

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