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    The Top Issues of Importance for Election 2008

    Ok, I think it would interesting and enlightening to see each of us in here list the top 5 issues we think are most important when it comes to the forthcoming election in 2008.

    What 5 issues, listed in order of importance/relevance to you, will effect your thinking and voting in 2008?

    My only request is to please not blow each other up before a fair few of us have a chance to list our issues. If the topic is popular/interesting enough, I am sure we'll have plenty of time to debate the individual issues later on or in other threads. This is more to get a feel for what is important to us, specificly, at this point in time.

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    [B]Foreign Policy[/B] (Iraq, Iran, etc.)
    [B]Economy[/B]
    [B]Illegal Immigration[/B] (although this sort of ties in with the economy)
    [B]Education[/B]
    [B]Alternative Fuels[/B] (I'm not an Al Gore-following alarmist, but I think we all can agree that eliminating our dependence on foreign oil as well as switching to cleaner energy sources will benefit the country greatly.)

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    Only fair of me to start it off, so:

    1. [B][U]The War in Iraq, Afganistan and on Islamofacism:[/U][/B] I want to see us out of Iraq, and Iraq handling it's own business, with a much more minimal US presence. I'd like to see a shift back to Afganistan, to do what needed to be doe right from the start. But I also want to see a continued and aggressive effort against the Islamofacist movement in general. More intelligence, more actions (covert), more to keep them on the defensive, rather than the offensive. I want to see us NOT go to War in iran unless there is absolutely no other choice (i.e. a live nuke is sitting there ready to go or something similar).

    2. [B][U]Freedom:[/U][/B] As always, my personal guiding principle is personal freedom, as part of a responsible society. I think the Govt. is moving too far away from Personal freedom (and with it Personal responsabillity) and towards a heavy handed style of rule where freedoms are abriged too often, and also a Socialist-lite form of Welfare State mentallity. I want to see someone, anyone, who respects the intent of the Constitution to preserve our Nation while also preserving our personal freedoms and liberties and freedom to succeed, based on our own actions, not a state handout. The difficulty here is this one ideal covers ALOT of todays issues....and tends to split the two parties right down the middle, both sides being good and bad at the same times, on different facets of Freedom.

    3. [B][U]Immigration Reform and Enforcement:[/U][/B] We have laws, and those laws are simply not respected in any form. We have Millions of illegal invaders coming accross our pourus border, which we have no possible way of keeping secure from outside threats. We have cirrupt big business, corrupt political parties, and illegals using our Nation for their own needs only. I am 100% supportive of reform of immigration policies to better reflect today's needs (OUR needs, not the illegals), but I would only support that AFTER we get a handle on our borders, and enforecement of our existing immigration laws. And yes, I an FINE with deporting all 20+ Million of them, cost or no cost. They can come back legallt afterwards, if they qualify and we want them, but they need to get out first. Another "never gonna happen" issue for me, sadly.

    4. [B][U]Taxation:[/U][/B] I want less taxes. Hard to elaborate much more than that, I want less Govt. spending, and less taxation, and more of my hard earned money in my pocket. End of story.

    5. [B][U]Judicial and Legislative Reform:[/U][/B] Not gonna happen, but the modern Judiciary has abducted the power and responsabillity of our Legislature. I would love to see some effort to curb, and indeed reverse, this trend of Law Making By Court Order. If one wished, you could also lump Presidential power and oversight in here as well, as that too should be looked at.

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    In order of importance to me:

    1) The War in Iraq -- it's gotta end somehow, someway. I'd like to see some sort of partitioning not unlike Joe Biden's plan (:eek:)

    2) Foreign Policy -- Diminishing relations with Russia, problems with Iran, and what I still think is a major threat, Islamofascism and the war on terror. I don't understand why people think the threat of another terror attack is irrelevent and/or never exised

    3) Illegal Immigration -- our borders are a sieve

    4) Healthcare -- this goes along with social security, something must be done about the healthcare in our country (and I DON'T want universal healthcare)

    5) Government and spending -- reduce the size of the government, reduce spending, and try to get our economy back on track. Really go back to the true conservative values that GWB had beaten, raped, and left for dead
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    1) The current wars: We must find a way to bring some sanity--and sustainability-- to what we are doing (or not doing) in Iraq and Afghanistan. If these two conflicts are still going strong, it'll be the biggest issue. (1a) Iran: It is possible that we may bomb Iran, or at least hear the current drumbeat for bombing Iran escalate. If that happens, it will be a huge issue in the campaign.)

    2) The war on terror: Torture, warrantless wiretapping, etc. are already huge hot button issues. I think it is important to make it so our prosecution of the WOT is done within our laws. This means defining things like torture, and coming up with ways for our intelligence agencies to efficiently get warrants so that they can act in a legal manner, which will make it easier to get convictions going forward. I also think prosecuting the WOT in a legal and moral way will help restore our soft power, which will aid the international cooperation that is obviously essential to stopping international terrorist networks.

    3) Poverty/healthcare: Too many Americans live in poverty, and too many don't have health insurance, which is an easy way to get yourself into poverty. I do not favor a fully socialized healthcare system, but I would like to see the safety net for the least fortunate among us strengthened, and will be looking for what the different candidates ultimately offer on that front. The Clinton/Obama/Romney plans that basically call for addressing this issue through the existing insurance companies sound like the framework of a decent approach to me.

    4) Energy policy: For both envirnonmental and national security reasons, we need a new national energy policy. I am looking for heavy investment in renewable energy, new technology and other means of weaning us off crude. I am sick of funding both sides of the war on terror through taxes and the gas pump. I am also looking for politicans to speak inconvenient truths to their bases, such as Demmocrats acknowledging that nuclear energy may be a good solution at the moment and Republicans to start operating under the widely held scientific assumption that manmade global warming is real.

    5) The economy/trade: Things look shaky at the moment, and the fed is being very activist as it tries to soothe financial markets. Not sure if that's the best tack or not, personally. There is also a lot of polling lately showing the U.S. is becoming more protectionist (big WSJ story not too long ago). I think it is clear that there are some consequences of globalization that we need to address. My own preference is to invest in education programs that make our workforce more competitive, and --when regulation is demanded-- to apply it with discretion. I guess that's sort of a moderate stance, but that's where I am on that one.

    6) A new tone: This is a stylistic preference, but one major reason I have, to this point, favored Obama over Clinton is that I think he potentially offers an end to the constant scream-fest that our politics has become, and she promises a continuation of it. It is essential that the parties disagree often --that's why we have two parties-- but it would be nice to see them work together on areas where there is or can be common ground, and to be more civil to each other when dealing with the areas where there is not. Both sides have really failed at this during the last two presidencies, and it would be nice to get a different tone in our discourse.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2191172]Only fair of me to start it off, so:

    1. [B][U]The War in Iraq, Afganistan and on Islamofacism:[/U][/B] I want to see us out of Iraq, and Iraq handling it's own business, with a much more minimal US presence. I'd like to see a shift back to Afganistan, to do what needed to be doe right from the start. But I also want to see a continued and aggressive effort against the Islamofacist movement in general. More intelligence, more actions (covert), more to keep them on the defensive, rather than the offensive. I want to see us NOT go to War in iran unless there is absolutely no other choice (i.e. a live nuke is sitting there ready to go or something similar).

    .[/QUOTE]

    Warfish,

    First of all, excellent post (and good idea to start this thread).

    We agree pretty closely on Iraq and Afghanistan.

    I find it interesting, however, how many people (including you) cited "Islamofascism" as a key issue.

    It seems to me that there is no such thing, and this term is a rhetorical means of lumping together various bad guys with completely differing agendas, such as Al Qaeda and Iran. (Sunni AQ wants a single sharia government dominating the entire Middle East, and Shia Iran is most certainly not interested in surrendering any of its national soveirgnty to such an entity; it is trying to expand its national influence into Iraq as I write this.)

    I think it is important for the next president to use a divide-and-conquer approach in the middle east. It seems to me the key moment in the Cold War was when we stopped lumping all commies together and instead turned Russia and China against each other. Shouldn't we be doing that in the Middle East? And doesn't the use of a term like "islamofascism" which makes the enemy appear to be much larger and homogenous than it actually is, do a disservice to that end?

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2191172]Only fair of me to start it off, so:

    1. [B][U]The War in Iraq, Afganistan and on Islamofacism:[/U][/B] I want to see us out of Iraq, and Iraq handling it's own business, with a much more minimal US presence. I'd like to see a shift back to Afganistan, to do what needed to be doe right from the start. But I also want to see a continued and aggressive effort against the Islamofacist movement in general. More intelligence, more actions (covert), more to keep them on the defensive, rather than the offensive. I want to see us NOT go to War in iran unless there is absolutely no other choice (i.e. a live nuke is sitting there ready to go or something similar).

    2. [B][U]Freedom:[/U][/B] As always, my personal guiding principle is personal freedom, as part of a responsible society. I think the Govt. is moving too far away from Personal freedom (and with it Personal responsabillity) and towards a heavy handed style of rule where freedoms are abriged too often, and also a Socialist-lite form of Welfare State mentallity. I want to see someone, anyone, who respects the intent of the Constitution to preserve our Nation while also preserving our personal freedoms and liberties and freedom to succeed, based on our own actions, not a state handout. The difficulty here is this one ideal covers ALOT of todays issues....and tends to split the two parties right down the middle, both sides being good and bad at the same times, on different facets of Freedom.

    3. [B][U]Immigration Reform and Enforcement:[/U][/B] We have laws, and those laws are simply not respected in any form. We have Millions of illegal invaders coming accross our pourus border, which we have no possible way of keeping secure from outside threats. We have cirrupt big business, corrupt political parties, and illegals using our Nation for their own needs only. I am 100% supportive of reform of immigration policies to better reflect today's needs (OUR needs, not the illegals), but I would only support that AFTER we get a handle on our borders, and enforecement of our existing immigration laws. And yes, I an FINE with deporting all 20+ Million of them, cost or no cost. They can come back legallt afterwards, if they qualify and we want them, but they need to get out first. Another "never gonna happen" issue for me, sadly.

    4. [B][U]Taxation:[/U][/B] I want less taxes. Hard to elaborate much more than that, I want less Govt. spending, and less taxation, and more of my hard earned money in my pocket. End of story.

    5. [B][U]Judicial and Legislative Reform:[/U][/B] Not gonna happen, but the modern Judiciary has abducted the power and responsabillity of our Legislature. I would love to see some effort to curb, and indeed reverse, this trend of Law Making By Court Order. If one wished, you could also lump Presidential power and oversight in here as well, as that too should be looked at.[/QUOTE]
    Hmm, and you think Ron Paul is a kook?

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    [B]Education[/B] - Our education system is a ****ing joke, we should be leading the way not falling behind other countries. There should be one education system for the whole country including one test that must be passed to advance to the next grade.

    [B]Economy[/B] - The US Dollar is getting it's ass kicked by the Euro and Pound and jobs don't pay enough compared to cost of living.

    [B]Illegal Immigration[/B] - Enough with all of the illegals and Cubans that are being allowed into the country because of political asylum, we need to make it harder for people to come here and stay including speaking American English.

    [B]Foreign Policy[/B] - We need to worry more about our own backyard and less about the neighbors.

    [B]Prison System[/B] - It's not working, something needs to be done. Including the death penalty one year after conviction for anyone that commits murder, torture or violent rape. These crime should also be a federal crime not state because the Feds have better resources and the death penalty. We waste a ton of money every year holding prisoners that should have been dead.

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    [QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2191315]Hmm, and you think Ron Paul is a kook?[/QUOTE]

    Educate me, my friend. Where have I gone of the rails would you say?

    (Oh, and I've never said DOCTOR Paul was a "kook". I've said only the truth, that he is unelectable, him and his 2% poll numbers. Nothing more, nothing less).

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    1. Climate Change

    2. Wars in Iraq, Afghanistan (Iran)

    3. Economy

    4. Health Care

    5. Education

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2191380]Educate me, my friend. Where have I gone of the rails would you say?

    (Oh, and I've never said DOCTOR Paul was a "kook". I've said only the truth, that he is unelectable, him and his 2% poll numbers. Nothing more, nothing less).[/QUOTE]

    Probably not, but would anyone have guessed that he would've raised 2.6 mil in October? His support in growing. Most of his base is young - but they will get older. If the internet hasn't swayed the polls away from the Republicrats now, it will in the future.

    Why did you capitalize doctor?

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2191380]Educate me, my friend. Where have I gone of the rails would you say?

    (Oh, and I've never said DOCTOR Paul was a "kook". I've said only the truth, that he is unelectable, him and his 2% poll numbers. Nothing more, nothing less).[/QUOTE]

    Not to nitpick or anything, but does it make a difference to you that he's a doctor?

    My doctor keeps me waiting at least an hour and a half after my appointment time before he sees me. When I finally get in there, all he wants to do is sit down and bull**** about my life, acting like an arrogant prick.

    Ron Paul being a doctor doesn't impress me, because if he's anything like my doctor, I like him even less.

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    Doesn't impress me either Paulie. But others have made a VERY specific point of calling him Doctor Paul, so I was just playing along (i.e. a wee bit of sarcasm, sorry).

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2191586]Doesn't impress me either Paulie. But others have made a VERY specific point of calling him Doctor Paul, so I was just playing along (i.e. a wee bit of sarcasm, sorry).[/QUOTE]

    ahh, my sarcasm detector must be on the fritz :D

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    1. The War in Iraq and Afghanistan/Foreign Policy

    2. National Security/Border Security

    3. Immigration Reform

    4. Health Care

    5. Economy

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    [B]Economy[/B] - The US Dollar is getting it's ass kicked by the Euro and Pound and jobs don't pay enough compared to cost of living.

    [[/QUOTE]

    The American dollar is taking a downturn against many currencies, including Canada. Actually, yesterday the Canadian dollar closed just slightly higher than 1.07 American. It is the first time in Canadian history the Canadian dollar was worth more than 7 cents to the American.

    They have also suggested that it will not be unluckily to see it past 1.10, possibly no sooner than the end of the year.

    That said, we too are not seeing enough of an adjustment at the cash registers, but it is slowly happening because there have been (I would almost say) record numbers of transactions, via internet or cross border, of merchandise being bought in the U.S.

    For years, retailers told Canadians we pay more for everything because of our dollar. But for the first two months of it being equal to the States, prices were going up in a lot of cases, which sent people shopping anywhere but Canada.

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    1) The war on terrorism, which includes the ongoing Iraq battles and the brewing Iranian ones.

    2) How the President elect would nominate SC and federal court judges.

    3) taxes and the budget. Give me a candidate with the gumption to keep taxes atth e present level with an eye toward eventually lowering them and one that will exercise the line item veto to keep Congressional spending under control.

    4) Energy independence commitment. If the issues in the ME today don;t lead to WWIII or a nuclear nightmare, it is only a matter of time until it does. If we become enegry independent, our only interest remaining will be to protect Israel.

    5) Immigration reform and border control. All part of the same problem. If we keep turning a blind eye, we will get hurt here, too.

    want to decrease conmflict/war? We need to stabilize our economy, our borders and our energy independence.

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    Just a couple of points on things I read in the above posts.

    1. Right now a weak US Dollar is imperative. Starting in 2008 we will have more retired people than working people in the US. In order to sustain economic growth our goods and services need to be competitively priced on the International Landscape. We will be relying on foreigners to keep our economy going for the next decade.

    2. War on Terror. This war can still be fought and won on our borders. It is time to take less of a bully role internationally. We do not need to continue to push war to get what we need. Certain tactical uses of force might be needed but I no longer thing we need a full time full force presence in the Middle East.

    3. Taxes. Whether we like it or not taxes are going higher. It does not matter who is in office. Again we have issues with Social Security and Medicare. Someone has to pay for it. The only way we will be able to get back to reasonable tax levels is to get a balanced budget and stick to it.

    4. Alternative fuels are imperative. This reasoning goes way beyond environmental issues. Given the explosive growth in emerging economies, our ability to provide stable alternative forms of energy world wide will position the US to become more of an export than import economy.

    Just my perspective on a few issues.

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    [QUOTE=Conkboy;2192470]Just a couple of points on things I read in the above posts.

    1. Right now a weak US Dollar is imperative. Starting in 2008 we will have more retired people than working people in the US. In order to sustain economic growth our goods and services need to be competitively priced on the International Landscape. We will be relying on foreigners to keep our economy going for the next decade. [/QUOTE]

    We still import more than we export, so that means we're paying higher prices for them.

    [QUOTE]
    4. Alternative fuels are imperative. This reasoning goes way beyond environmental issues. Given the explosive growth in emerging economies, our ability to provide stable alternative forms of energy world wide will position the US to become more of an export than import economy.

    Just my perspective on a few issues.[/QUOTE]How about we just end all of the subsidies to big oil so that alternative energy companies can become more competitive on the market?

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