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    Giuliani Says Successes Surpass Kerik’s Mistakes

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/06/us...hp&oref=slogin

    Former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani said yesterday that the crime-fighting successes of the disgraced former police commissioner, Bernard B. Kerik, outweighed his legal problems, and added that “if I have the same degree of success and failure as president of the United States, this country will be in great shape.”

    In an interview with The Associated Press in New Hampshire, Mr. Giuliani said that he had erred in not thoroughly vetting Mr. Kerik, who is now under a federal investigation for accepting free renovations while he was working for Mr. Giuliani from a construction firm suspected of having links to organized crime. But Mr. Giuliani said that Mr. Kerik’s wrongdoing did not diminish what he had accomplished for the city.

    “There were mistakes made with Bernie Kerik,” Mr. Giuliani said in the interview. “But what’s the ultimate result for the people of New York City? The ultimate result for the people of New York City was a 74 percent reduction in shootings, a 60 percent reduction in crime, a correction program that went from being one of the worst in the country to one that was on ‘60 Minutes’ as one of the best in the country, 90 percent reduction of violence in the jails.”

    “Sure, there were issues,” Mr. Giuliani added, “but if I have the same degree of success and failure as president of the United States, this country will be in great shape.”

    Mr. Kerik is now facing a possible indictment on a range of federal felony charges, including perhaps tax evasion and bribery, stemming in part from his acceptance of $165,000 in renovations to his Bronx apartment paid for by the construction firm, Interstate Industrial. In June 2006, Mr. Kerik pleaded guilty in the Bronx to state misdemeanor charges relating to the same renovations.

    Mr. Giuliani, who in 2004 supported Mr. Kerik’s failed nomination to become secretary of the federal Department of Homeland Security, told The A.P. that “it was a mistake not checking him out as thoroughly as I should have.”

    “I don’t like surprises,” he said in the interview. “I don’t like to find out things that I haven’t found out myself. Not that it hasn’t happened to me before. But I try to tighten up the whole thing and make sure we do a better job in the future.”

    The New York Times reported on Saturday that Mr. Giuliani ignored a number of warning signs when, in 2000, he chose Mr. Kerik as his police commissioner, over the objections of more than half his cabinet.

    Mr. Giuliani, in testimony last year to a state grand jury, acknowledged that the city’s investigations commissioner, Edward J. Kuriansky, had told him that he had been briefed at least once about Mr. Kerik’s involvement with Interstate. Mr. Giuliani said, though, that neither he nor any of his aides could recall being briefed about it.

    But a review of Mr. Kuriansky’s diaries, and investigators’ notes from a 2004 interview with him, now indicate that such a session took place. Mr. Kuriansky also recalled briefing one of Mr. Giuliani’s closest aides, Dennison Young Jr., about Mr. Kerik’s entanglements with the company just days before he was appointed police commissioner, according to the diaries he compiled at the time and his later recollection to the investigators.

    In his interview with The A.P., Mr. Giuliani said that he had not spoken recently with Mr. Kerik, who also worked with Mr. Giuliani in private business. And he said he did not know what effect an indictment of Mr. Kerik, or a guilty plea from him, might have on his campaign.

    “I have no idea what’s going to happen, first of all, nor do I have any idea what he’s going to do,” Mr. Giuliani said.

    Mr. Giuliani, who is using this week to try to introduce his pre-Sept. 11 biography to voters, has already apologized several times for the Kerik matter. But yesterday he cast his mistakes as evidence of his experience.

    “I made mistakes,” he said. “I will continue to make mistakes. But what are the results? What kind of results do I get? What Bernie Kerik did wrong did not implicate what the results were for the public. What he did wrong, he’s going to have to pay for.”

    “When you do a lot of things, there are more things where you’ve made mistakes,” he added. “Anybody running for president that hasn’t made their share of mistakes is probably not ready to be president. The question is, in spite of the mistakes that you make, are most of your decisions correct?”

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    To me what is truly amazing is that Kerik kept on advancing with the help of Giuliani without displaying any true talent at what he was doing other than his loyalty to Giuliani.

    He was a guy given half a million dollars/yr by Giuliaini's personal company and then he recommend him to go to Iraq to train Iraqi police and by all accounts of Kerik's work there he was a complete failure and for this work Guiliani rewarded him by pushing him for Homeland Security Chief.

    Certainly smacks of Brownie and FEMA.

    This affair totally shows how questionable Giuliani's judment is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queens Jet Fan View Post
    To me what is truly amazing is that Kerik kept on advancing with the help of Giuliani without displaying any true talent at what he was doing other than his loyalty to Giuliani.
    This is an absolutely ludicrous and completely misinformed statement. NOBODY denies Kerik's tremendous success in completely turning around the Department of Corrections, nor his excellent record as Police Commissioner. Say what you will about the allegations against him, but to say he never displayed any true talent is about as idiotic and clueless a statement as could possibly be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queens Jet Fan View Post
    To me what is truly amazing is that Kerik kept on advancing with the help of Giuliani without displaying any true talent at what he was doing other than his loyalty to Giuliani.

    He was a guy given half a million dollars/yr by Giuliaini's personal company and then he recommend him to go to Iraq to train Iraqi police and by all accounts of Kerik's work there he was a complete failure and for this work Guiliani rewarded him by pushing him for Homeland Security Chief.

    Certainly smacks of Brownie and FEMA.

    This affair totally shows how questionable Giuliani's judment is.
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    Really? The guy couldn't keep his own life in order, he was a 32 year old cop who claimed bankruptcy. The guy is a buffoon and is a criminal, he is a mockery.

    Quote Originally Posted by shakin318 View Post
    This is an absolutely ludicrous and completely misinformed statement. NOBODY denies Kerik's tremendous success in completely turning around the Department of Corrections, nor his excellent record as Police Commissioner. Say what you will about the allegations against him, but to say he never displayed any true talent is about as idiotic and clueless a statement as could possibly be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakin318 View Post
    This is an absolutely ludicrous and completely misinformed statement. NOBODY denies Kerik's tremendous success in completely turning around the Department of Corrections, nor his excellent record as Police Commissioner. Say what you will about the allegations against him, but to say he never displayed any true talent is about as idiotic and clueless a statement as could possibly be made.
    From what I read and I am by no means an experts on the Dept of Corrections he ruled there by fear and threatened anybody who went against to be in much trouble. Ok let's say I grant you he was a good Corrections Commissioner.

    Did he do well in Iraq? Please show any instance where he did anything good there. Did that deserve him a promotion to Homeland Security Chief?

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