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    [QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;2208776]The reality is if a Dem is elected they will be in the same position Bush was in when he was elected having a Republican Congress. Patronage will rule the day and money will be doled out like candy. We have a terribly corrupt system and without the check of divided government the idea that the Democrats will be more responsible than the Republicans when they control the entire government is absurd. The Democrats will spend us into oblivion and at the same time destroy our military if they contol Congress and the Presidency.[/QUOTE]

    Wow.

    Its almost as if you are implying that there is little difference between the left and the right.

    Far out.


    Well......I did find the Dem's spending us into oblivion part of your post rather amusing. Republicans b*tching about Dem's doing that in these days would be like Keith Richards lecturing a classroom of teenagers about not doing drugs.

    Of course the Dem's would spend us into oblivion...that's because the Repubs already spent us into eternity...oblivion is just a few miles down the road.

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    washington is full of dirtbags. bush thinks it's okay to spend on war but not on education and healthcare? why? i suppose only war puts money in his cronies' pockets.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2209164]Wow.

    Its almost as if you are implying that there is little difference between the left and the right.

    Far out.


    Well......I did find the Dem's spending us into oblivion part of your post rather amusing. Republicans b*tching about Dem's doing that in these days would be like Keith Richards lecturing a classroom of teenagers about not doing drugs.

    Of course the Dem's would spend us into oblivion...that's because the Repubs already spent us into eternity...oblivion is just a few miles down the road.[/QUOTE]


    The one place where both parties are the same is they get their power the same way, they buy it.

    Divided government usually dampens the worst elements of both parties and tends to tamp down the pork barrel spending and outright patronage that political parties that get "Mandates" hide behind. Hard to see how the Dems don't increase their margins in the House and Senate, if they win the Presidency all the hand wringing over the budget deficits will be replaced with huge tax increases, protectionism and inflation. The 23 million plus small businesses that have no standing in either party but have thrived under the tax policy of the Republicans are going to be squeezed to the breaking point. Millions of entrepreneurs who employee people will be forced to unload their employees and head back into the job market for jobs that are no longer there. The only way to get out of the mess of deficits and inflation is through growth and efficiency. High taxes on the small fast growing businesses in this country will destroy both growth and efficiency and Rangel has already told us what the new tax policy is going to be.

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    [QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;2209279]The one place where both parties are the same is they get their power the same way, they buy it.

    Divided government usually dampens the worst elements of both parties and tends to tamp down the pork barrel spending and outright patronage that political parties that get "Mandates" hide behind. Hard to see how the Dems don't increase their margins in the House and Senate, if they win the Presidency all the hand wringing over the budget deficits will be replaced with huge tax increases, protectionism and inflation. The 23 million plus small businesses that have no standing in either party but have thrived under the tax policy of the Republicans are going to be squeezed to the breaking point. Millions of entrepreneurs who employee people will be forced to unload their employees and head back into the job market for jobs that are no longer there. The only way to get out of the mess of deficits and inflation is through growth and efficiency. High taxes on the small fast growing businesses in this country will destroy both growth and efficiency and Rangel has already told us what the new tax policy is going to be.[/QUOTE]

    Or, we could elect people who will be fiscally responsible regardless of Congress. (Ron Paul)

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    [QUOTE=teng;2209177]washington is full of dirtbags. bush thinks it's okay to spend on war but not on education and healthcare? why? i suppose only war puts money in his cronies' pockets.[/QUOTE]

    Wow, we have a nomination for post of the year-:rolleyes:
    Thank you for your eloquent contribution to the board.

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    Interesting article on this topic from today's Independent newspaper; the Democrats remain weak and divided while the spending continues. The expenditure is probably much more than has already been stated and the US will be paying for it for years to come.

    Despite this, given the Democrats are rudderless, the Republicans have genuine hope of retaining power at the next Presidential election.

    [B]Hidden cost of wars in Afghanistan and Iraq 'is twice what Bush claims'[/B]

    By Leonard Doyle in Washington
    Published: 14 November 2007

    The total cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is expected to be $1.6 trillion (770bn) double the amount President George Bush says it will cost.

    A report entitled The Hidden Costs of the Iraq War says the true cost of the wars is almost double the $804bn the White House has requested for military operations in 2008.

    The report, prepared by Democrats in Congress, says an average American family of four has already paid more than $20,000 to fund the President's military adventures.

    The Democratic majority in Congress will this week make another probably doomed attempt to force Mr Bush to withdraw US troops from Iraq, before providing him with the $50bn he has requested to keep the war going.

    Since taking the majority last year, the Democrats have forced 40 votes on bills limiting President Bush's war policy. Not one has passed in the House and the Senate, even though both are run by Democrats.

    The only war legislation that has been passed by this Congress has handed President Bush precisely what he wants: unrestricted access to money to continue the wars.

    Despite his rock-bottom approval rating, President Bush remains in charge when it comes to fighting wars. The Democrats are divided among themselves, unsure whether to cut and run or fund the troops. Constant failure by the Democrats to force change in Iraq has reinforced the party's political weakness. That has given Republican candidates hope in the 2008 election campaign.

    Despite the overwhelming popular opposition to the war in Iraq, the number of American families directly affected through death or injury remains limited. Now the Democrats are trying to show that wars are placing a huge burden on families not directly affected by the fighting.

    Yesterday's report on the cost of the wars was prepared by Democrats in Congress. It includes "hidden costs" higher oil prices, the treatment of the war wounded and interest on monies borrowed to fund both wars. "This report makes crystal clear is that the cost to our country in lives lost and dollars spent is tragically unacceptable," said Senator Chuck Schumer, a New York Democrat.

    The report says: "The full economic costs of the war to the American taxpayers and the overall US economy go well beyond even the immense federal budget costs already reported." It says the war is diverting billions of dollars away from "productive investment" in the US. Economic disruption caused by reservists being taken away from their jobs is costing employers up to $2bn.

    Both conflicts are expected to cost $3.5trn between 2003 and 2017 a burden of $46,400 for an average American family

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