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    its obviously iraq

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2239971] Why not go somewhere where your enlightend everyone-is-absolutely-equal PC doublespeak is more widely accepted...[/QUOTE]

    He does live in NY, doesnt he?

    I would of never guessed you were Scottish...I had you pegged as a Pict.

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    [QUOTE=Gagoots;2239959]Well, I like this. You are up front and honest about not giving a crap.
    Most people try and hide behind clueless political oppression,
    but YOU'RE saying As long as you have a good life, screw the 11 mil we sole this land from by killing. It's hypocrisy and I don't care!

    Honestly is always better.[/QUOTE]

    gag, by the way, you're usually a very good poster, so I should probably take back the tool comment.

    It's not that I don't care, it's just that I don't care. Half of the nations that are around today had somehting to do at some point with the oppression of others. So what you're saying is that half of the world should be spending quite a bit of time saying how bad they were no matter how far they've come in over coming the downfalls of their ancestors. The key point here is "were". The men who run nations are, in general, pig headed marshalls of arrogance and hypocracy. To judge subjects based on the work of their vociferous and arrogant (a deadly combination) is a form of oppression in and of itself.

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    Topic creator:

    Most Native Americans had already been wiped out long before the American Republic was created. Smallpox and other European diseases that Native immune systems could not defend against killed up to 100 million spanning both North and South America since the Spanish conquest of the Inca Empire. That is why when settlers began to push west in the 1800s they passed through "virgin wilderness", the misleading part is that perhaps 100 years prior a civilization inhabited those lands.

    All in all our genocide killed roughly 1 million Natives from the beginning of the republic until the present, horrible yes but in no way as brutal or as swift as the mass murderers in Germany, China, and Russia.

    And lastly, why the white guilt? We are not responsible for the crimes of our ancestors nor do we continue to persecute in such a way in the present. To say that the 'freedom' we fought for was built on the corpses of Indians is misleading, as the same could be said about any major power in its dealings with Native Americans at the time. Plus, freedom isn't the true ideal of America, self-profit and private initiative is.

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    [QUOTE=Gagoots;2239762]Well, thats true in part. Hitler only killed 5 million to 6 million Jews.
    Our forefathers killed twice that amount in indians. But whay are there no remembrance days for american indians?
    BECAUSE WE STILL LIVE AND RULE HERE!!!!!

    I'm not calling out any of you guys....don't worry.
    Just pointing out some facts that probably weren't forced fed to
    you in school like say...
    The Pledge of Allegiance.[/QUOTE]

    -First of all we have an entire Native American History Month (November) and an American Indian Day (since 1916 in New York). And secondly I have months at a time taken up in History class to describe the plight of Natives from the 1400's to the AIM movement in the 1970s, it is everywhere.

    -Ever hear of "God save the queen"? The English pledge that all Englishmen and her colonial subjects had to recite in the morning? My grandmother lived in Canada before it gained independence and spoke of singing it every morning in school. It's not there to create pride in your country (because if that is it's intention I don't know how my school is filled up with angsty sh*thead socialists) it is there to give our 'wondrous' public schools a reputation for patriotism.
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    [QUOTE=Gagoots;2239959]Well, I like this. You are up front and honest about not giving a crap.
    Most people try and hide behind clueless political oppression,
    but YOU'RE saying As long as you have a good life, screw the 11 mil we sole this land from by killing. It's hypocrisy and I don't care!

    Honestly is always better.[/QUOTE]

    He's saying that shedding tears for those killed by others hundreds of years past is pointless, as it accomplishes nothing but the promotion of guilt. If you're lesson is to learn from history then tell me why our nation forgets even its most recent lessons in Vietnam, Lebanon, and Somalia? Why do we fight wars, which end the lives of hundreds of thousands, and then give up all at once because of public opinion? Iraq is the same, we fought, overthrew Saddam, established a flimsy democratic state and within two years after an insurgency forms our public wants out?!

    If there is anything you must know it is that people [b]never[/b] learn from their nation's mistakes unless it is absolutely necessary to do so. You said you were an ethnic Aborigine? Then you must know that the Australian government has never once apologized for kidnapping Aborigine children and giving them to white families (it went on as late as the 1960s)?

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2239832] But white people are douche bags. If there is money to be made, old white men don't care too much about what natural beauty/civilization/race they overrun and decimate to achieve their goals.

    [/QUOTE]


    You're right.

    God Damn the White Devils in China, N Korea, Rwanda, Etc....

    You're the biggest white douche bag on the planet...

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    [QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;2240738]You're right.

    God Damn the White Devils in China, N Korea, Rwanda, Etc.... [/QUOTE]

    Ahhhh...DeanPatsFan.

    I don't think I could of come up with a better example of a white douchebag besides yourself.

    It is true. I too am also a white douchebag.

    But your douchebaggery is compounded by the fact that you are a Pats fan posting in the political forum on a Jets website. That right there is textbook douchebagism.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2240933]Ahhhh...DeanPatsFan.

    I don't think I could of come up with a better example of a white douchebag besides yourself.

    It is true. I too am also a white douchebag.

    But your douchebaggery is compounded by the fact that you are a Pats fan posting in the political forum on a Jets website. That right there is textbook douchebagism.[/QUOTE]

    It's a political forum and has nothing to do with the Jets... Much like the baseball, soccer, basketball, hockey etc. forums..... Idiot.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2240933]
    But your douchebaggery is compounded by the fact that you are a Pats fan posting in the political forum on a Jets website. That right there is textbook douchebagism.[/QUOTE]
    Running low on ammo? Why not post a link to a jpeg that no one will click?

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    I honestly don't care about the Native Americans either, or this so called hypocrisy.

    I live my life like this: every morning I wake up and conciously try to do one thing that will make someone else's life easier or happier or more comfortable. That's all I can do -- live a decent, hard-working life that makes other lives worthwhile. I don't have the time or energy to ponder PC bull**** of injustices that happened 160 years before my bloodline stepped foot in this country. It's unecessary and foolish.

    I think you're trying too hard to be "edgy" with your "enlightened" political correctness. You sound like a 20 year old trust-fun hipster who goes to poverty rallies in his parents' BMW with an iPod blasting. Give me a break already.

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    Gagoots, I'd be more concerned about [URL="http://www.niaf.org/milestones/year_1891.asp"]the largest mass lynching in the history of the United States[/URL], if I were you.

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    [QUOTE]The Italians, who were thought to have assassinated police chief David Hennessey, were baselessly arrested and placed in a jail cell before being brutally murdered by a lynch mob that stormed the jailhouse, with witnesses claiming that the cheers "were nearly deafening." Cries of "hang the dagos" were heard throughout the riot. Reporting on the incident, one newspaper reported "The little jail was crowded with Sicilians, whose low, receding foreheads, dark skin, repulsive countenances and slovenly attire proclaimed their brutal nature." [11] Afterwards, hundreds of Italian immigrants, most of whom were not criminals, were baselessly arrested by law enforcement. Decades after, an anti-Italian phrase, "Who kill-a the chief?" remained popular in the New Orleans area.
    (from Wikipedia)[/QUOTE]

    Death to the white devil... these injustices from 120 years ago must not stand! I demand reparations!

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    [QUOTE]During World War II, thousands of Italian Americans were put in internment camps on American soil, along with German and Japanese Americans. Thousands more were placed under surveillance or had their property repossessed by the government. Joe DiMaggio's father, who lived in San Francisco, had his boat and house confiscated. One official stated that if it had not been for Joe DiMaggio's status as a celebrity baseball player, his father would most likely had been sent to an internment camp. [B]Unlike the Japanese Americans, Italian Americans have never received reparations, even though President Bill Clinton made a public declaration admitting the US government's misjudgement in the internment.[/B][/QUOTE]


    Someday, all wrongs will be righted!!1

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    Guys -

    I'm not a bleeding heart. I am just questioning the major double standards about the origins of this country.
    Everyone seems to be very touchy about this subject. And no paulie - I'm not "trying" to be edgy. To me edgy would be to say something like : "Who cares about all the dead Indians? Might makes right." We invaded their lands and took them but since we were stronger we deserved it."
    THAT would be edgy.
    Anyway - here's a simple question since everyone thinks I'm attacking them by questioning the values of the founders of their country.
    Just a simple question. Maybe even a yes or no will do.

    Does it render a county's fundamental ideals worthless if they were founded in Hypocrisy? (a * if you will, pasts fans)

    No more personal attacks, no more calls for me to like it or leave it - just answer the question. Yes or no.

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    [QUOTE=XingDaorong;2240607]Topic creator:

    Most Native Americans had already been wiped out long before the American Republic was created. Smallpox and other European diseases that Native immune systems could not defend against killed up to 100 million spanning both North and South America since the Spanish conquest of the Inca Empire. That is why when settlers began to push west in the 1800s they passed through "virgin wilderness", the misleading part is that perhaps 100 years prior a civilization inhabited those lands.

    All in all our genocide killed roughly 1 million Natives from the beginning of the republic until the present, horrible yes but in no way as brutal or as swift as the mass murderers in Germany, China, and Russia.

    And lastly, why the white guilt? We are not responsible for the crimes of our ancestors nor do we continue to persecute in such a way in the present. To say that the 'freedom' we fought for was built on the corpses of Indians is misleading, as the same could be said about any major power in its dealings with Native Americans at the time. Plus, freedom isn't the true ideal of America, self-profit and private initiative is.[/QUOTE]

    I'm not guilty, and I'm not going to dig up the material to argue that we only purpously killed 1 million natives. Do you know WHY?
    Because there's always the freedom-seeking slave owners to contend with.
    The indians were just a bonus.

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    [QUOTE=Gagoots;2241646]

    Does it render a county's fundamental ideals worthless if they were founded in Hypocrisy? (a * if you will, pasts fans)

    No more personal attacks, no more calls for me to like it or leave it - just answer the question. Yes or no.[/QUOTE]

    No.

    Because slavery was an unfortunate trend of the times. Our founding fathers could literally right "inalienable rights to every man" on a piece of paper, go home and beat their slaves, and think nothing of it.

    It's not hypocrisy because the thought they were doing something wrong never crossed their minds.

    Since then, our nation has rectified that tragic mistake, first through the Emancipation Proclamation, and all the way through the Civil Rights movement in the 1960s. To focus on the supposed hypocrisy of the founding fathers would be to ignore all of the work done since slavery was abolished.

    As far as the Natives go, one of the previous posters is correct: most of the genocide was already completed years before any of the 13 colonies were founded.

    And finally, I want reparations. Where are my reparations?
    Last edited by JetsFan2012; 12-02-2007 at 09:12 PM.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;2242013]No.
    It's not hypocrisy because the thought they were doing something wrong never crossed their minds.
    [/QUOTE]

    If it never crossed their minds, what was that little Civil War about??

    Don't be naive about people knowing right from wrong, even back then.

    YOUR reparations, sir lie in your god-given cultural superiority.
    The ability to be able to do even the most mundane of lives tasks with
    flair.
    The ability to appreciate good food, wine and music and follow your heart in matters.
    YOUR reparations, Paulie..are being Italian.

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    [QUOTE=Gagoots;2241646]Does it render a county's fundamental ideals worthless if they were founded in Hypocrisy? (a * if you will, pasts fans)[/QUOTE]

    No.

    If an injustice is committed by one who condemns that same injustice, it is hypocrisy. If that one then corrects it, it is no longer hypocrisy.

    If I smoke while telling you to stop smoking, I'm a butthole but at least I'm doing something good. If I later am compelled to quit smoking myself, more power to me.

    A lot of very brilliant people have tried as hard as they could to make this country the best one it could be. We've come a long way.

    To use the past to deface the present is backwards.

    All in all, this thread, like much of the political forum, is absolute bull****. I don't know why all you people are so angry. There are almost no facts, no objective discussion, and a lot of heart without any brain behind it.

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    [QUOTE=Gagoots;2242035]YOUR reparations, sir lie in your god-given cultural superiority.
    The ability to be able to do even the most mundane of lives tasks with
    flair.
    The ability to appreciate good food, wine and music and follow your heart in matters.
    YOUR reparations, Paulie..are being Italian.[/QUOTE]

    ...what?

    You're assigning characteristics to a particular nationality?

    This thread is bizarre past the point of redemption, I think.

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