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    Ron Paul hits 12 mil for the quarter

    That's two weeks ahead of his goal. Yeah, he's got marginal support, alright.

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    With all this money he will be taking this campaign national soon.

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    [QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2266067]That's two weeks ahead of his goal. Yeah, he's got marginal support, alright.

    [url]http://www.ronpaul2008.com/[/url][/QUOTE]

    Huckabee's got the votes (no money) and Paul's got the money (no votes). Who's the groundswell with again?

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    Headline: [Url="http://www.bnd.com/news/politics/story/204905.html"]"Ron Paul backers enthused, poll numbers pitiful"[/Url]

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;2266176]Headline: [Url="http://www.bnd.com/news/politics/story/204905.html"]"Ron Paul backers enthused, poll numbers pitiful"[/Url][/QUOTE]

    [url]http://www.bnd.com/news/politics/story/204905.html[/url]

    [QUOTE]Given his way, Paul would eliminate the CIA, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the Federal Reserve, the Department of Education, the Internal Revenue Service, drug laws, bans on gay marriage, the war in Iraq, the Patriot Act, congressional gold medals, Hurricane Katrina relief, farm subsidies and U.S. membership in the United Nations and NATO.[/QUOTE]

    Sounds like a plan.

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    Ron Paul is starting to sound like the kid running for class president. Promising longer lunches and less homework. He would never be able to get rid of half the things he is promising.

    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2266277][url]http://www.bnd.com/news/politics/story/204905.html[/url]



    Sounds like a plan.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=cr726;2266301]Ron Paul is starting to sound like the kid running for class president. Promising longer lunches and less homework. He would never be able to get rid of half the things he is promising.[/QUOTE]

    People who want to eliminate government bureaucracy never get elected. Washington has a way of dealing with people who have big ideas of smaller government and government reform.

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    I do enjoy watching so called die hard Republicans fight amongst themselves about Paul.


    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2266357]People who want to eliminate government bureaucracy never get elected. Washington has a way of dealing with people who have big ideas of smaller government and government reform.

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    That is impressive.

    Paul seems okay, but he is afflicted with the problem afflicting many "pure" libertarians. They are so wedded to their intellectual purity that they become indistinguishable from others and don't much care about actually getting anything real done or realizing that politics is a step by step process of gradual change. And so they revel in their obscurity, content with their intellectual purity, even though they haven't accomplished a damn thing. Why do you think the Libertarian Party is so ineffective? It's afflicted with an amazingly high degree of self-satisfaction. For example, on free trade, Paul votes against most free trade agreements. He does so because they aren't "free enough." Well, no sh*t Sherlock...they are flawed. Bu they are also significant steps in the right direction and a purely free trade bill would never pass and getting the country to that ultimate goal is a step by step process and won't all happen at once.. And things don't change over night. But RP has his precious intellectual purity, even if he votes against free-trade agreements that if blocked, would have the effect of moving us in a protectionist direction. The country isn't some philosophy class and a President has to actually deal with a congress and states and cannot simply wish his intellectually-pure libertarianism onto the country, especially if facing what is likely to be a larger Democrat majority in 2008. But doing nothing and being pure about it seems more important to him than compromising and taking the long view and gradual approach. Many of my hardcore libertarian friends are the same way. I do respect that he's anti-abortion, however...shows his judgment is sound.

    What is Paul actually going to be able to accomplish? What's his track record of working with others outside of and within his own party to pass legislation that, while perhaps not perfect ideologically, is a step in the right direction? Is he just going to try to do a few grand things, fail miserably, and then revel in his intellectual purity, or is he actually going yo be able to be an effective leader?

    That's why I suport Romney. For one, he's smarter than everyone else and has been successful at virtually everything ge's ever done, both privately and publicly. He was governor in a state where 85% of the legislature is Dem, and he balanced the budget 3 years in a row without raising taxes. He's a master at finding inefficiencies and correcting them and increasing productivity and lowering cost. He's done it privately and in government. He doesn't have the purity of Ron Paul, but I think, practically, Romney would be a more effective conservative executive. The more I look at everyone running, the more I think it's a no-brainer and that Romney is clearly the smartest, most-qualified candidate...by far. I don't even think it's close, to be honest. JMO.
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    [QUOTE=cr726;2266301]Ron Paul is starting to sound like the kid running for class president. Promising longer lunches and less homework. He would never be able to get rid of half the things he is promising.[/QUOTE]

    I would be happy if he could just get it started.

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    Are you watching Meet the Press right now?

    [QUOTE=jets5ever;2266505]That is impressive.

    Paul seems okay, but he is afflicted with the problem afflicting many "pure" libertarians. They are so wedded to their intellectual purity that they become indistinguishable from others and don't much care about actually getting anything real done or realizing that politics is a step by step process of gradual change. And so they revel in their obscurity, content with their intellectual purity, even though they haven't accomplished a damn thing. Why do you think the Libertarian Party is so ineffective? It's afflicted with an amazingly high degree of self-satisfaction. For example, on free trade, Paul votes against most free trade agreements. He does so because they aren't "free enough." Well, no sh*t Sherlock...they are flawed. Bu they are also significant steps in the right direction and a purely free trade bill would never pass and getting the country to that ultimate goal is a step by step process and won't all happen at once.. And things don't change over night. But RP has his precious intellectual purity, even if he votes against free-trade agreements that if blocked, would have the effect of moving us in a protectionist direction. The country isn't some philosophy class and a President has to actually deal with a congress and states and cannot simply wish his intellectually-pure libertarianism onto the country, especially if facing what is likely to be a larger Democrat majority in 2008. But doing nothing and being pure about it seems more important to him than compromising and taking the long view and gradual approach. Many of my hardcore libertarian friends are the same way. I do respect that he's anti-abortion, however...shows his judgment is sound.

    What is Paul actually going to be able to accomplish? What's his track record of working with others outside of and within his own party to pass legislation that, while perhaps not perfect ideologically, is a step in the right direction? Is he just going to try to do a few grand things, fail miserably, and then revel in his intellectual purity, or is he actually going yo be able to be an effective leader?

    That's why I suport Romney. For one, he's smarter than everyone else and has been successful at virtually everything ge's ever done, both privately and publicly. He was governor in a state where 85% of the legislature is Dem, and he balanced the budget 3 years in a row without raising taxes. He's a master at finding inefficiencies and correcting them and increasing productivity and lowering cost. He's done it privately and in government. He doesn't have the purity of Ron Paul, but I think, practically, Romney would be a more effective conservative executive. The more I look at everyone running, the more I think it's a no-brainer and that Romney is clearly the smartest, most-qualified candidate...by far. I don't even think it's close, to be honest. JMO.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=jets5ever;2266505]That is impressive.

    Paul seems okay, but he is afflicted with the problem afflicting many "pure" libertarians. They are so wedded to their intellectual purity that they become indistinguishable from others and don't much care about actually getting anything real done or realizing that politics is a step by step process of gradual change. And so they revel in their obscurity, content with their intellectual purity, even though they haven't accomplished a damn thing. Why do you think the Libertarian Party is so ineffective? It's afflicted with an amazingly high degree of self-satisfaction. For example, on free trade, Paul votes against most free trade agreements. He does so because they aren't "free enough." Well, no sh*t Sherlock...they are flawed. Bu they are also significant steps in the right direction and a purely free trade bill would never pass and getting the country to that ultimate goal is a step by step process and won't all happen at once.. And things don't change over night. But RP has his precious intellectual purity, even if he votes against free-trade agreements that if blocked, would have the effect of moving us in a protectionist direction. The country isn't some philosophy class and a President has to actually deal with a congress and states and cannot simply wish his intellectually-pure libertarianism onto the country, especially if facing what is likely to be a larger Democrat majority in 2008. But doing nothing and being pure about it seems more important to him than compromising and taking the long view and gradual approach. Many of my hardcore libertarian friends are the same way. I do respect that he's anti-abortion, however...shows his judgment is sound.

    What is Paul actually going to be able to accomplish? What's his track record of working with others outside of and within his own party to pass legislation that, while perhaps not perfect ideologically, is a step in the right direction? Is he just going to try to do a few grand things, fail miserably, and then revel in his intellectual purity, or is he actually going yo be able to be an effective leader?

    .[/QUOTE]

    That is probalby the best assessment of Libertarians that I have seen in a while. I left the Republican party because of the spending of the last eight years and they didn't even try to reduce government in any meaningful way. I joined the libertarian party and I have spent more time fighting libertarians and their purity tests.

    Ron Pauls second biggest issue is his supporters, when you talk to them you never know what Ron Pauls policies are and why they are beneficial, all you can discern from talking with the rank and file Ron Paul supporter is that he wants out of Iraq, that there are any number of conspiracy theories against their candidate, and that if you don't support Ron Paul you are either socialist or fascist.

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    Ron Paul's message is simple: promote freedom. Underlying most arguments against Ron Paul is a lack of belief in freedom itself.

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    [QUOTE=cr726;2266389]I do enjoy watching so called die hard Republicans fight amongst themselves about Paul.[/QUOTE]
    "Die hard Republicans" might be fighting, but not over Ron Paul. What part of the not-getting-votes equation are you failing to comprehend?

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    Did I miss a vote? I didn't realize you are the spokesman for the "Die Hard Republicans". I still have no idea who I would vote for, but I do know who I wouldn't.

    [QUOTE=sackdance;2266677]"Die hard Republicans" might be fighting, but not over Ron Paul. What part of the not-getting-votes equation are you failing to comprehend?[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;2266154]Huckabee's got the votes (no money) and Paul's got the money (no votes). Who's the groundswell with again?[/QUOTE]

    Let's see some actual elections before we say he's not getting votes. You don't raise that much money with "no votes."

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    [b]The Good Doctor Ron Paul is now over $15 million on the quarter! This is with 7+ hours to go for the Tea Party[/b]

    If you haven't already done so, please donate!

    [url]http://www.ronpaul2008.com[/url]

    [url]http://www.teaparty07.com[/url]

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    [QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2267039]Let's see some actual elections before we say he's not getting votes. You don't raise that much money with "no votes."[/QUOTE]


    For the first time in my life, I registered under a party... this is just so I can vote for The Good Doctor Ron Paul so I can support him on the primary 2/5 here in NJ

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    rupaul has support alright

    stormwatch and three adolescent nerds having
    a "meetup" in a subway station

    was just in a luntz tv panel
    28 random gopers
    1 for huckster
    0 for rupaul

    approval dials were handed out
    when pawn raul came on
    one lady said
    does this thing go lower than zero?

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    Which Republican are you backing? Romney who changes his mind more than a forgetful woman or Rudy simlpy because he was Mayor during 9-11.

    [QUOTE=flushingjet;2268852]rupaul has support alright

    stormwatch and three adolescent nerds having
    a "meetup" in a subway station

    was just in a luntz tv panel
    28 random gopers
    1 for huckster
    0 for rupaul

    approval dials were handed out
    when pawn raul came on
    one lady said
    does this thing go lower than zero?[/QUOTE]

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