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    Huckabee links Bhutto to ... immigration?

    [QUOTE]Huckabee Sees Pakistan as Reason for Border Security
    By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE and DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
    DES MOINES — Mike Huckabee used the volatile situation in Pakistan Friday to make an argument for building a fence on the American border with Mexico and found himself trying to explain a series of remarks about Pakistanis and their nation.

    On Thursday night he told reporters in Orlando, Fla.: “We ought to have an immediate, very clear monitoring of our borders and particularly to make sure if there’s any unusual activity of Pakistanis coming into the country.”

    On Friday, in Pella, Iowa, he expanded on those remarks.

    “When I say single them out I am making the observation that we have more Pakistani illegals coming across our border than all other nationalities except those immediately south of the border,” he told reporters in Pella. “And in light of what is happening in Pakistan it ought to give us pause as to why are so many illegals coming across these borders.”

    In fact, far more illegal immigrants come from the Philippines, Korea, China and Vietnam, according to recent estimates from the Department of Homeland Security.

    Asked how a border fence would help keep out Pakistani immigrants, Mr. Huckabee argued that airplane security was already strong, but that security at the southern United States border was dangerously weak.

    “The fact is that the immigration issue is not so much about people coming to pick lettuce or make beds, it’s about someone coming with a shoulder-fired missile,” he said.

    The sudden emergency in Pakistan and Mr. Huckabee’s response come at a time when he has come under increasing scrutiny from opponents for his lack of fluency in foreign policy issues, and the situation in Pakistan appeared to have challenged him.

    [B]“We have seen what happens in the Musharraf government,” Mr. Huckabee said on MSNBC. “He has told us he does not have enough control of those eastern borders near Afghanistan to be able go after the terrorists. But on the other hand, did he not want us going in, so what do we do?” Those borders are actually on the west, not the east.[/B]

    [B]Further, he offered an Orlando crowd his “apologies for what has happened in Pakistan.” His aides said later that he meant to say “sympathies.” He also said he was worried about martial law “continuing” in Pakistan, although Mr. Musharraf lifted the state of emergency on Dec. 15. His campaign told CBS News that his statement was not a blunder. [/B]

    Mr. Huckabee “firmly believes that emergency rule/martial law in Pakistan, as a practical matter, should not be viewed as having been completely lifted until the restrictions imposed during that period on the press and judges are removed,” adding that Mr. Musharraf’s “overall policy” is repressive.[/QUOTE]

    [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/28/us/politics/28cnd-campaign.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print[/url]

    Yikes.

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    Huckabee is going to crash and burn. Bank on it.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2286645]Huckabee is going to crash and burn. Bank on it.[/QUOTE]

    I think it's happening as we speak.

    The question is, who benefits?

    My hunch is McCain, who is surging in NH.

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    please point out where anything Huckabee said is stratigically wrong???

    do you think illegals should be allowed in this country???

    considering the state of affairs should not monitor Pakistani's coming into the country???

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2286715]please point out where anything Huckabee said is stratigically wrong???

    do you think illegals should be allowed in this country???

    considering the state of affairs should not monitor Pakistani's coming into the country???[/QUOTE]

    Well, for one, Afghanistan is west of Pakistan, not east. For another, Pakistan lifted martial law December 15. For yet another, neither the Philippines, Korea, China and Vietnam are located directly south of our border, yet all are sending more immigrants here than Pakistan.

    I suppose he deserves credit for knowing Musharaf's name, which, of course, means he knows more about Pakistan than your hero George Bush did at roughly this point in the 2000 cycle.

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    good way to, as usual, to subvert the content of the question...

    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2286749]Well, for one, Afghanistan is west of Pakistan, not east. For another, Pakistan lifted martial law December 15. For yet another, neither the Philippines, Korea, China and Vietnam are located directly south of our border, yet all are sending more immigrants here than Pakistan.

    I suppose he deserves credit for knowing Musharaf's name, which, of course, means he knows more about Pakistan than your hero George Bush did at roughly this point in the 2000 cycle.[/QUOTE]


    let me post again, yet slowly.....please point out where anything Huckabee said is strategically wrong???

    do you think illegals should be allowed in this country???

    considering the state of affairs should not monitor Pakistani's coming into the country???

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2286761]good way to, as usual, to subvert the content of the question...




    let me post again, yet slowly.....please point out where anything Huckabee said is strategically wrong???

    do you think illegals should be allowed in this country???

    considering the state of affairs should not monitor Pakistani's coming into the country???[/QUOTE]

    Forgive me for pointing out that virtually every specific fact he mentioned was wrong. If he sent our troops to Pakistan's eastern border, that would be a strategic, error, no?

    Applying special monitoring to Pakistanis at the border is dumb. There is no evidence at all that we should be watching them any closer than, say, Saudis, Syrians, Iranians, Iraqis or even Mexicans.

    To say the Bhutto shooting changes anything with regards to illegal immigration is a massive stretch. It's a transparent attempt to bring the discussion back to domestic/cultural issues, where Huckabee has more credibility than he does on foreign affairs.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2286804]To say the Bhutto shooting changes anything with regards to illegal immigration is a massive stretch. [B][U]It's a transparent attempt to bring the discussion back to domestic/cultural issues[/U][/B], where Huckabee has more credibility than he does on foreign affairs.[/QUOTE]

    An interesting tactical decision, one usully made by the Democrats.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2286804]Forgive me for pointing out that virtually every specific fact he mentioned was wrong. If he sent our troops to Pakistan's eastern border, that would be a strategic, error, no?

    Applying special monitoring to Pakistanis at the border is dumb. [/QUOTE]


    of course it is dumb....then again God forbid a Paki gets into the country and does some harm libs like yourself will be the first to whine why wasn't special attention paid to these poeple coming in or why were the "dots not connected"....sound familiar??

    [QUOTE]There is no evidence at all that we should be watching them any closer than, say, Saudis, Syrians, Iranians, Iraqis or even Mexicans.[/QUOTE]

    the stupidity is mind boggling....you want to justify the idiot comments of an obama lackey who claims AG is resurgent and a force in Pakistan due to our involvement in Iraq yet now claim we shouldn't be watching people coming in from Pakistan any closer than other nations including Mexico??? comical...

    [QUOTE]To say the Bhutto shooting changes anything with regards to illegal immigration is a massive stretch. It's a transparent attempt to bring the discussion back to domestic/cultural issues, where Huckabee has more credibility than he does on foreign affairs.[/QUOTE]

    the only stretch is making up a BS title claiming Huckabee links bhutto to immigration when in fact he justifiably said it was the volitile situation in Pakistan which prompted his comments...but hey- thems just the facts...

    to justify the claim the bhutto shooting is a result of our involvement in Iraq and not fighting AQ in Afgahnistan is ludicrous, but you agreed with that....
    Last edited by Come Back to NY; 12-28-2007 at 04:30 PM.

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    the only stretch is making up a BS title claiming Huckabee links bhutto to immigration when in fact he justifiably said it was the volitile situation in Pakistan which prompted his comments...but hey- thems just the facts...

    ....[/QUOTE]

    If he's not reacting to the Bhutto shooting, which "volatile situation in Pakistan" was he discussing when interviewed Thursday evening?

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2286823]If he's not reacting to the Bhutto shooting, which "volatile situation in Pakistan" was he discussing when interviewed Thursday evening?[/QUOTE]

    rrrrigghhtt...because the situation in Pakistan was stable until yesterday....:rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2286829]rrrrigghhtt...because the situation in Pakistan was stable until yesterday....:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    You know, your right, Mike Huckabee has talked an awful lot about Pakistan in this campaign up until yesterday. He's practically obsessed with it. So much so he apparently can't place it on a map next to a country we invaded earlier this decade.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2286840]You know, your right, Mike Huckabee has talked an awful lot about Pakistan in this campaign up until yesterday. He's practically obsessed with it. So much so he apparently can't place it on a map next to a country we invaded earlier this decade.[/QUOTE]

    another sad response....

    so now your basing the arguement around Huckabee's views on Pakistan rather than immigration, as written in your BS title.....

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2286857]another sad response....

    so now your basing the arguement around Huckabee's views on Pakistan rather than immigration, as written in your BS title.....[/QUOTE]

    The thread title was an accurate description of the story, which expressed bafflement both at Huckabee's responding to questions about Bhutto with answers about immigration (at a time when Romney, McCain and others are belittling him as a foreign-policy lightweight) and also at his series of factual gaffes when trying to explain himself.

    My only argument is that, as I put it above, it's an absurd response and an obvious attempt to change the subject, handled so clumsily as to be amusing.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2286840]You know, your right, Mike Huckabee has talked an awful lot about Pakistan in this campaign up until yesterday. He's practically obsessed with it. So much so he apparently can't place it on a map next to a country we invaded earlier this decade.[/QUOTE]
    heh

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2286876][B]The thread title was an accurate description of the story, which expressed bafflement both at Huckabee's responding to questions about Bhutto with answers about immigration [/B](at a time when Romney, McCain and others are belittling him as a foreign-policy lightweight) and also at his series of factual gaffes when trying to explain himself.

    My only argument is that, as I put it above, it's an absurd response and an obvious attempt to change the subject, handled so clumsily as to be amusing.[/QUOTE]

    sure it is.....

    never mind the fact in one quick reading of the story Bhutto's name is never mentioned, as your title infers..but hey- I'll sure you'll come back with another assinine post...

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2286888]sure it is.....

    never mind the fact in one quick reading of the story Bhutto's name is never mentioned, as your title infers..but hey- I'll sure you'll come back with another assinine post...[/QUOTE]

    Further, he offered an Orlando crowd his “apologies for what has happened in Pakistan.” His aides said later that he meant to say “sympathies.”

    It aint no coincidence. Huckabee probably didn't learn Bhutto's name yet.

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