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    [url]http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7837770/Talk-isn't-just-about-college-stars-at-combine?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=4973[/url]

    Talk isn't just about college stars at combine
    by John Czarnecki
    John Czarnecki has been the editorial consultant for FOX NFL Sunday since its 1994 inception. This season marks Czarnecki's 30th year covering the NFL. He is one of 44 selectors to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
    Updated: February 25, 2008, 12:56 PM EST Comment

    INDIANAPOLIS - The scouting combine is the biggest convention of coaches, executives and agents for the NFL. Sure, there are 330 or so potential players here being tested and interviewed ad naseum — and I'm sure the ladies are upset that these young men are no longer going topless — but mainly this is a talk shop of what may or may not happen in pending free-agency and where potential deals are made on dozens of unwanted players. Enter any restaurant or hotel lobby and you will see club personnel fraternizing with agents and vice versa.

    Here is the best of what I heard and was told:

    # The asking price for Patriots cornerback Asante Samuel is somewhere between $10 and $11 million per season. The Saints are currently the leader to land Samuel, although that could change. Samuel's price got this high because Atlanta's disgruntled DeAngelo Hall is asking for $10 million. The Giants aren't really interested because they won't pay Hall's price, but there is no doubt Atlanta will trade him for a first-round draft choice.

    # The Patriots and Randy Moss really aren't close to a new contract, although the Pats believe Moss will give them the option to match whatever deal he does receive on the open market. That makes sense because the clubs pursuing Moss will be limited because he wants to play for a contender. The most interesting rumor is Moss joining the Dallas Cowboys. The Cowboys can pay up, and wouldn't T.O. and Moss be interesting to watch, not to mention impossible to defend?

    # Nobody could figure out why the Bengals placed the franchise tag on guard Stacy Andrews until I heard that five teams had him targeted in free-agency, and that he was the No. 1 prospect of the Falcons. For years, being an offensive lineman has been the best position in the NFL for collecting big paychecks. Guards now are being paid like left tackles — consider that the Seahawks have $12 million invested next season in Shane Locklear and Mike Wahle, who played like a stiff in Carolina last season.

    # Speaking of the Panthers, they gave money to four suspect veterans while dumping some big-name talent. The word is that the Panthers have the most leader-less locker room in the NFL, and that's why they are talking about bringing back Moose Muhammad. Their biggest decision, however, will be whether or not to give Julius "I Don't Love Football" Peppers a $30 million signing bonus in the next year.


    # The Bucs were thinking about making a run at Bears quarterback Rex Grossman until Chicago re-signed him. DeShaun Foster is begging the Bucs for work at $2 million a season, while Jon Gruden is waiting and hoping that Denver releases WR Javon Walker later this week instead of paying him $6 million. If Walker is free, the Bucs will pursue him before chasing after Minnesota's Troy Williamson.

    # Some teams are wondering why the Bears didn't place the transition tag on WR Bernard Berrian in order to at least see what kind of contract offers he receives. Sometimes teams cut players loose, figuring the money is going to be too expensive. But there's nothing wrong with protecting your investment a little and matching it. Berrian keeps talking about wanting to play for the 49ers.

    # There is still a chance that Raiders owner Al Davis will fire head coach Lane Kiffin and replace him with James Lofton, who was fired as the receivers coach of the Chargers. How bizarre is that? It's also no secret that current Oakland assistans Greg Knapp and Tom Rathman will be on Jim Mora's 2009 Seattle coaching staff.

    [B]# The Jets are prepared to dump a truckload of money on the doorstep of Steelers guard Alan Faneca when free-agency begins.
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    # The Browns and quarterback Derek Anderson are very close on a three-year contract for big money. The Browns have been leaking details that they falsely want a six-year deal so that when they announce a three-year contract, it looks like they won the negotiating battle. This coming from a franchise that is paying offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski $2.7 million per season and preparing to give Braylon Edwards $25 million over three seasons. Who knows what Kellen Winslow will do if his contract doesn't get renegotiated?

    # Nobody believes that Bill Parcells will draft Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan with the first overall selection, but that doesn't mean Ryan won't go in the top five. That scenario seems unanimous among coaches and scouts here, and with the Falcons selecting third overall, they should have a difficult time passing on Ryan. Of course, the two safest picks remain Virginia's Chris Long and Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long, who has wowed everyone with his performance. The only knock on Jake Long is that he may be a better right tackle than a left tackle. Both Longs are high character, no-nonsense young men. Yes, the Dolphins need a quarterback. How about Delaware's Joe Flacco in the second round?

    # There is no doubt that Jim Zorn is a quarterback guru, but most of his offensive assistants are ex-running backs, and there isn't one of them, including Zorn, who has ever called plays in a NFL game. You can also bet that veteran QB Todd Collins will check out both Miami and Atlanta to gauge those teams' interest in him as a stop-gap starter now that Zorn has pledged his allegiance to Jason Campbell.

    # Speaking of the Redskins, you have to wonder if owner Daniel Snyder would have made a run at Seattle's Mike Holmgren if he knew that Holmgren could have gotten free of his contract. And we all know that GM Tim Ruskell would have allowed Holmgren to leave in order to promote Mora now instead of waiting another season. It also sounds like Holmgren will be coaching somewhere next season, or at least hoping to land a job like the one Parcells has in Miami.

    # The Giants will definitely give Michael Strahan a new contract if he wants to play next season. The decision is all his. "Now that he has a ring, he could be leaning more toward retirement," said Giants GM Jerry Reese. "But we definitely want him back if he wants to play."

    # No one really knows where Spygate is headed now and whether there is actual video evidence implicating the Patriots in taping opposing team's practices, etc. But if there is and Roger Goodell is forced to suspend Bill Belichick, Dom Capers could end up as interim head coach in New England.

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    [QUOTE=RussianGreen;2387230][url]http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7837770/Talk-isn't-just-about-college-stars-at-combine?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=4973[/url]

    Talk isn't just about college stars at combine
    by John Czarnecki
    John Czarnecki has been the editorial consultant for FOX NFL Sunday since its 1994 inception. This season marks Czarnecki's 30th year covering the NFL. He is one of 44 selectors to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
    Updated: February 25, 2008, 12:56 PM EST Comment


    [B]# The Jets are prepared to dump a truckload of money on the doorstep of Steelers guard Alan Faneca when free-agency begins.
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    This is great news even if we dont sign him. It shows that the focus will be on fixing the OLINE at any cost. I seriously doubt we land Fanaca but I am encouraged that we will fix the OLINE through the draft. This is a breathe of fresh air from years past when obvious problems were not obvious to the FO.

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    I'll drive the truck myself:yes:

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    Anyone heard anything about the Jets being interested in Maurice Williams?

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    More stuff for the rumor mill:

    [url]http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/WWHI/2008/wwhi2301.htm[/url]

    Setting the draft stage

    The latest word on what the teams with the top 10 picks are considering

    By Dan Arkush
    Feb. 25, 2008

    INDIANAPOLIS — Now that the coin has been flipped at this year’s Combine to determine the third through fifth spots in the 2008 draft, maybe the Falcons’ fortunes are starting to take a turn for the better. After all, the time seems right for an updated look at the draft strategies and mindsets of the teams who own this year’s top 10 picks.

    Here’s what our sources around the league were telling us as the Combine was winding down:

    1. Miami — The Dolphins appear to be going out of their way not to tip their hand, but our sources remain pretty confident that the team will select Boston College QB Matt Ryan, provided they don’t trade down. “It’s an easy decision,” a source told PFW. “They are pressing hard to move down now, but I don’t see it happening.”

    2. St. Louis — The word is the Rams are looking at both Michigan OLT Jake Long and LSU DT Glenn Dorsey, with a higher priority apparently on the offensive line given the team’s history of busting on early DT prospects. New Rams executive V.P. of player personnel Billy Devaney told PFW at the Combine that he is going to depend “tremendously” on the input of V.P. of player personnel Tony Softli, who suddenly is looking like he’ll stick around through at least the length of his contract, which has two years remaining after the draft.

    3. Atlanta — In conversations with team sources, we’re being told that they are looking primarily at quarterback (Ryan), left tackle (Long) and defensive tackle (Dorsey) — in that order. “Tackle is a desperate need,” one team source said. “They don't have a legitimate starting OT on the roster after cutting Wayne Gandy.”

    4. Oakland — Raiders officials say the always-intriguing Al Davis will look to fill his team’s most pressing needs first, starting at offensive tackle and defensive tackle. “That’s where it gets interesting,” a rival team executive told PFW. “Maybe (USC NT) Sedrick Ellis goes higher than he should. He’s more like a top-15 pick than top-10, but Al has always loved Trojans, and the head coach (Lane Kiffin) knows Ellis. Or maybe that's where the L.A. kid (Boise State OLT Ryan Clady) goes. Al won't care about (character concerns).”

    5. Kansas City — Chiefs officials say they are looking hard at offensive tackle, cornerback and wide receiver, in that order, and will reach for an OT if they can't move down. We hear the preferred OT choice of Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards is Pittsburgh OLT Jeff Otah.

    [B]6. N.Y. Jets — The consensus is that they’re looking first and foremost for a running back and a hybrid DE-OLB, with Oregon RB Jonathan Stewart, Virginia DE-OLB Chris Long and Ohio State OLB Vernon Gholston as the primary suspects. The team is still exploring options in free agency, not to mention shopping Jonathan Vilma and Dewayne Robertson — moves that could seriously alter their draft plans.[/B]

    7. New England — With Asante Samuel asking for $11 million in free agency, a figure the Pats’ brain trust will absolutely not pay, the team is eyeing a cornerback, but more than anything, we hear they would like to move down the same way everyone in front of them would. Said one team insider: “This could be a good spot for Gholston, but their coaches are not that far into the draft yet, coming off their Super Bowl run, and they always have considerable input.”

    8. Baltimore — We hear the Ravens would like to address the QB position but will probably be looking for a badly needed cornerback with Ryan expected to be long gone. In that case, our sources believe their choice will likely be either Virginia Tech’s Brandon Flowers or Troy’s Leodis McKelvin.

    9. Cincinnati — With Justin Smith on the way out of Cincy, we hear the Bengals are looking hard at defensive end, just as they were a year ago in the first round, when head coach Marvin Lewis loved Jarvis Moss but was scared by his background concerns. Word is Florida’s Derrick Harvey, who has a cleaner character than Moss and is a more versatile player, and Clemson’s Phillip Merling are two players they like a lot. It’s also possible an offensive tackle such as Vanderbilt’s Chris Williams could be an option, with a big run on tackles expected to occur in the top part of Round One.

    10. New Orleans — We hear the Saints are desperate for a corner and are not willing to enter the extreme bidding for Samuel, thus making McKelvin, South Florida’s Mike Jenkins and Kansas’ Aqib Talib top considerations.

    One more interesting development worth noting: Conspicuous by his absence in the above observations is Darren McFadden, who could be in the midst of a Randy Moss-type plunge in the first round due to character issues the Arkansas running back might not be able to shake.

    How bad has it gotten for McFadden, who was widely considered to be a surefire top-five pick not too long ago? Not only has his stock fallen beneath the likes of Stewart and Illinois’ Rashard Mendenhall, we also hear fellow Razorbacks RB Felix Jones could now conceivably be selected before him.

    Typically in recent years, it has been quarterbacks who have fallen hard. The safe landing spot for McFadden, as it was for free-falling Brady Quinn a year ago, is at No. 22, where fellow Arkansas alum and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is still said to be very interested, if he does not get overexcited and package his two first-round picks to land him sooner. Carolina, who traded down a year ago, and Chicago both need runners and are prime trading candidates who could help Dallas end a McFadden free fall. Perhaps helping offset some of McFadden’s character concerns is the unofficial 4.27 time he posted in the 40-yard dash at the Combine.
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    [QUOTE=JV51;2387262]Anyone heard anything about the Jets being interested in Maurice Williams?[/QUOTE]

    Have not, sorry.............

    What have you read?

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    [QUOTE=Nick Blitz;2387259]I'll drive the truck myself:yes:[/QUOTE]

    Me too. As long as it's someone else's money.;)

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    Bleedin Green, thanks for the PFW stuff.

    But I have to wonder, why the hell are the Jets targetting RB with the 6th overall? Draft DMC as the exception to need because he may be the best player in the draft, but if he's not or not there, it makes no sense to draft a RB there.

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    [QUOTE=BleedingGreen;2387272]More stuff for the rumor mill:

    [url]http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/WWHI/2008/wwhi2301.htm[/url]


    One more interesting development worth noting: Conspicuous by his absence in the above observations is Darren McFadden, who could be in the midst of a Randy Moss-type plunge in the first round due to character issues the Arkansas running back might not be able to shake.

    How bad has it gotten for McFadden, who was widely considered to be a surefire top-five pick not too long ago? Not only has his stock fallen beneath the likes of Stewart and Illinois’ Rashard Mendenhall, we also hear fellow Razorbacks RB Felix Jones could now conceivably be selected before him.

    Typically in recent years, it has been quarterbacks who have fallen hard. The safe landing spot for McFadden, as it was for free-falling Brady Quinn a year ago, is at No. 22, where fellow Arkansas alum and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is still said to be very interested, if he does not get overexcited and package his two first-round picks to land him sooner. Carolina, who traded down a year ago, and Chicago both need runners and are prime trading candidates who could help Dallas end a McFadden free fall. Perhaps helping offset some of McFadden’s character concerns is the unofficial 4.27 time he posted in the 40-yard dash at the Combine.[/QUOTE]

    I cant state my displeasure with McFadden possibly becomming a Jet enough. If McFadden is there for us at 6 and another team wants him (ie Dallas) we should trade down. There is no way I risk the number 6 pick on this player.............

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    [QUOTE=BleedingGreen;2387272]More stuff for the rumor mill:

    [url]http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/WWHI/2008/wwhi2301.htm[/url]

    Setting the draft stage

    The latest word on what the teams with the top 10 picks are considering

    By Dan Arkush
    Feb. 25, 2008

    INDIANAPOLIS — Now that the coin has been flipped at this year’s Combine to determine the third through fifth spots in the 2008 draft, maybe the Falcons’ fortunes are starting to take a turn for the better. After all, the time seems right for an updated look at the draft strategies and mindsets of the teams who own this year’s top 10 picks.

    Here’s what our sources around the league were telling us as the Combine was winding down:

    1. Miami — The Dolphins appear to be going out of their way not to tip their hand, but our sources remain pretty confident that the team will select Boston College QB Matt Ryan, provided they don’t trade down. “It’s an easy decision,” a source told PFW. “They are pressing hard to move down now, but I don’t see it happening.”

    2. St. Louis — The word is the Rams are looking at both Michigan OLT Jake Long and LSU DT Glenn Dorsey, with a higher priority apparently on the offensive line given the team’s history of busting on early DT prospects. New Rams executive V.P. of player personnel Billy Devaney told PFW at the Combine that he is going to depend “tremendously” on the input of V.P. of player personnel Tony Softli, who suddenly is looking like he’ll stick around through at least the length of his contract, which has two years remaining after the draft.

    3. Atlanta — In conversations with team sources, we’re being told that they are looking primarily at quarterback (Ryan), left tackle (Long) and defensive tackle (Dorsey) — in that order. “Tackle is a desperate need,” one team source said. “They don't have a legitimate starting OT on the roster after cutting Wayne Gandy.”

    4. Oakland — Raiders officials say the always-intriguing Al Davis will look to fill his team’s most pressing needs first, starting at offensive tackle and defensive tackle. “That’s where it gets interesting,” a rival team executive told PFW. “Maybe (USC NT) Sedrick Ellis goes higher than he should. He’s more like a top-15 pick than top-10, but Al has always loved Trojans, and the head coach (Lane Kiffin) knows Ellis. Or maybe that's where the L.A. kid (Boise State OLT Ryan Clady) goes. Al won't care about (character concerns).”

    5. Kansas City — Chiefs officials say they are looking hard at offensive tackle, cornerback and wide receiver, in that order, and will reach for an OT if they can't move down. We hear the preferred OT choice of Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards is Pittsburgh OLT Jeff Otah.

    [B]6. N.Y. Jets — The consensus is that they’re looking first and foremost for a running back and a hybrid DE-OLB, with Oregon RB Jonathan Stewart, Virginia DE-OLB Chris Long and Ohio State OLB Vernon Gholston as the primary suspects. The team is still exploring options in free agency, not to mention shopping Jonathan Vilma and Dewayne Robertson — moves that could seriously alter their draft plans.[/B]

    7. New England — With Asante Samuel asking for $11 million in free agency, a figure the Pats’ brain trust will absolutely not pay, the team is eyeing a cornerback, but more than anything, we hear they would like to move down the same way everyone in front of them would. Said one team insider: “This could be a good spot for Gholston, but their coaches are not that far into the draft yet, coming off their Super Bowl run, and they always have considerable input.”

    8. Baltimore — We hear the Ravens would like to address the QB position but will probably be looking for a badly needed cornerback with Ryan expected to be long gone. In that case, our sources believe their choice will likely be either Virginia Tech’s Brandon Flowers or Troy’s Leodis McKelvin.

    9. Cincinnati — With Justin Smith on the way out of Cincy, we hear the Bengals are looking hard at defensive end, just as they were a year ago in the first round, when head coach Marvin Lewis loved Jarvis Moss but was scared by his background concerns. Word is Florida’s Derrick Harvey, who has a cleaner character than Moss and is a more versatile player, and Clemson’s Phillip Merling are two players they like a lot. It’s also possible an offensive tackle such as Vanderbilt’s Chris Williams could be an option, with a big run on tackles expected to occur in the top part of Round One.

    10. New Orleans — We hear the Saints are desperate for a corner and are not willing to enter the extreme bidding for Samuel, thus making McKelvin, South Florida’s Mike Jenkins and Kansas’ Aqib Talib top considerations.

    One more interesting development worth noting: Conspicuous by his absence in the above observations is Darren McFadden, who could be in the midst of a Randy Moss-type plunge in the first round due to character issues the Arkansas running back might not be able to shake.

    How bad has it gotten for McFadden, who was widely considered to be a surefire top-five pick not too long ago? Not only has his stock fallen beneath the likes of Stewart and Illinois’ Rashard Mendenhall, we also hear fellow Razorbacks RB Felix Jones could now conceivably be selected before him.

    Typically in recent years, it has been quarterbacks who have fallen hard. The safe landing spot for McFadden, as it was for free-falling Brady Quinn a year ago, is at No. 22, where fellow Arkansas alum and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is still said to be very interested, if he does not get overexcited and package his two first-round picks to land him sooner. Carolina, who traded down a year ago, and Chicago both need runners and are prime trading candidates who could help Dallas end a McFadden free fall. Perhaps helping offset some of McFadden’s character concerns is the unofficial 4.27 time he posted in the 40-yard dash at the Combine.[/QUOTE]


    I smell BS. If this were true, it would mean the Jets would have their choice of Chris Long and McFadden. I'd love that to be true, but I doubt it.

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    [QUOTE=Nick Blitz;2387259]I'll drive the truck myself:yes:[/QUOTE]

    Truck?

    I'll strap the cash to my friggin' back and walk it to Faneca's house.


    SIGN FANECA!!

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    [QUOTE=SMC;2387289]Bleedin Green, thanks for the PFW stuff.

    But I have to wonder, why the hell are the Jets targetting RB with the 6th overall? Draft DMC as the exception to need because he may be the best player in the draft, but if he's not or not there, it makes no sense to draft a RB there.[/QUOTE]

    NP, SMC. I agree with you there. Well, you know we won't cuz of character issues. But I mean, TJ has plenty left in the tank and we have WAY more pressing needs. For the first time in a while, I'd be pretty disappointed if we drafted a RB that high in the 1st round.

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    Does anyone else think we should go with a Sedrick Ellis-type at NT before we draft these "hybrid" DE/OLBs? We have serious issues stopping the run at the point of attack and I don't think Pouha is a long-term solution.

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    Jonathan Stewart would look terrific in Green and White. :D

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    [QUOTE=DBarrett=all<3;2387310]Does anyone else think we should go with a Sedrick Ellis-type at NT before we draft these "hybrid" DE/OLBs? We have serious issues stopping the run at the point of attack and I don't think Pouha is a long-term solution.[/QUOTE]

    Ellis does not fit the 3-4.

    He seems to be similar to DROB

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    real interesting stuff

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    Nothing new here but a good point being intimated about "seriously altering the Jets draft plans" if Vilma and/or Robertson is moved. For as much as DRob is average at best for the NT spot, the Jets can't trade him without having something else lined up. If Vilma for Shaun Rodgers or a 4th round pick for Shaun Rodgers is agreed to with Detriot THEN you move Robertson. I can't see us creating yet another hole on this team prior to FA and the Draft. It puts us in a precarious position.

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    Maybe I'm just dreaming, but it would be nice to be talking next Monday morning about the newest Jets......

    .......Alan Faneca and Shaun Rogers.

    Possibility if we throw our fourth+ at Detroit and offer the US Mint to Faneca :yes:

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    [QUOTE=jetstream23;2387338]Nothing new here but a good point being inimated about "seriously altering the Jets draft plans" if Vilma and/or Robertson is moved. For as much as DRob is average at best for the NT spot, the Jets can't trade him without having something else lined up. If Vilma for Shaun Rodgers or a 4th round pick for Shaun Rodgers is agreed to with Detriot THEN you move Robertson. I can't see us creating yet another hole on this team prior to FA and the Draft. It puts us in a precarious position.[/QUOTE]

    Is it possible that Tangini feels that Mosely, pouha, draft pick will be no drop off?

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    [QUOTE=DBarrett=all<3;2387310]Does anyone else think we should go with a Sedrick Ellis-type at NT before we draft these "hybrid" DE/OLBs? We have serious issues stopping the run at the point of attack and I don't think Pouha is a long-term solution.[/QUOTE]

    If Ellis would be a better 3-4 NT than Robertson and he's available at #6....then YES. I'm not sure anyone is completely convinced yet that Sedrick Ellis would be a big upgrade. He's about the same size as Robertson and only if he's an instinctive NT who plays with better leverage than Robertson would he be an improvement.
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