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    Weather Channel Founder: sue algore to expose the fraud of global warming

    [QUOTE][B]Weather Channel Founder Blasts Network; Claims It Is 'Telling Us What to Think' [/B]

    [B]TWC founder and global warming skeptic advocates suing Al Gore to expose 'the fraud of global warming.'[/B]

    By Jeff Poor
    Business & Media Institute
    3/3/2008 6:11:04 PM

    The Weather Channel has lost its way, according to John Coleman, who founded the channel in 1982.

    Coleman told an audience at the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change on March 3 in New York that he is highly critical of global warming alarmism.

    “The Weather Channel had great promise, and that’s all gone now because they’ve made every mistake in the book on what they’ve done and how they’ve done it and it’s very sad,” Coleman said. “It’s now for sale and there’s a new owner of The Weather Channel will be announced – several billion dollars having changed hands in the near future. Let’s hope the new owners can recapture the vision and stop reporting the traffic, telling us what to think and start giving us useful weather information.”

    The Weather Channel has been an outlet for global warming alarmism. In December 2006, The Weather Channel’s Heidi Cullen argued on her blog that weathercasters who had doubts about human influence on global warming should be punished with decertification by the American Meteorological Society.

    Coleman also told the audience his strategy for exposing what he called “the fraud of global warming.” [B]He advocated suing those who sell carbon credits, which would force global warming alarmists to give a more honest account of the policies they propose.[/B][I]oil companies profits: bad...bad...bad algore profits: good....good....good[/I]

    “[I] have a feeling this is the opening,” Coleman said. “If the lawyers will take the case – sue the people who sell carbon credits. That includes Al Gore. That lawsuit would get so much publicity, so much media attention. And as the experts went to the media stand to testify, I feel like that could become the vehicle to finally put some light on the fraud of global warming.”

    Earlier at the conference Lord Christopher Monckton, a policy adviser to former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, told an audience that the science will eventually prevail and the “scare” of global warming will go away. He also said the courts were a good avenue to show the science.

    [/QUOTE]

    [url]http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080303175301.aspx[/url]

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    Let's see....


    <local> Computer models can't predict weather accurately beyond a week, maybe two.

    But, I'm supposed to believe that a <global> computer model can accurately predict something 100 years from now?



    Riiiighhht.

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    [SIZE="4"][B]Right Wing Attacks ThinkProgress For Criticizing Global Warming Denial Of ‘TV Weatherman’[/B][/SIZE]

    Last week, Weather Channel founder and global warming denier John Coleman penned an article claiming global warming is a “scam.” Yesterday, CNN’s Glenn Beck hosted Coleman to discuss the “bullcrap” behind global warming. In the segment, Coleman claimed that global warming is “myth” and “bogus science”:

    When I looked at the hockey stick graph…it showed a steady lying temperature throughout the millenium and then a sudden rise, I knew that that was incorrect. I knew it couldn’t possibly be. … And I found out it was bogus science. It wasn’t real. The numbers had been massaged. The whole thing had been created.

    The right wing has been touting Coleman’s claims as refutation of global warming. On Friday, Newsbusters attacked ThinkProgress for criticizing Coleman, claiming we had taken “climate alarmism to absurd degrees.” ThinkProgress, Newsbusters said, should treat Coleman as a “high profile member of the weather reporting community” with legitimate views on climate change.

    In reality, Coleman’s views place him in the discredited fringe of global warming deniers — the modern day equivalent of those who believe the Earth is flat. As Science Magazine noted, in addition to the IPCC and National Academy of Sciences, there is overwhelming agreement about the causes of global warming:

    In recent years, all major scientific bodies in the United States whose members’ expertise bears directly on the matter have issued similar statements. … The American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, and the American Association for the Advancement of Science all have issued statements in recent years concluding that the evidence for human modification of climate is compelling.

    [B]Coleman, a meteorologist, has been rebuked by his parent association, the American Meteorological Association, as well as his “baby,” The Weather Channel.[/B]

    [B]Coleman cites no scientific evidence [/B]for his claims in his original article. “I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct,” he says to prove his point. If Coleman believes global warming is a “scam,” then he should bring peer-reviewed scientific proof to the table.

    Newbusters and the right wing, however, are satisfied in relying on Coleman’s resume as a weatherman, insisting that his fringe views be given equal consideration with the world’s established scientific consensus.

    [url]http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/13/john-coleman-ii/[/url]

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;2411563][SIZE="4"][B]Right Wing Attacks ThinkProgress For Criticizing Global Warming Denial Of ‘TV Weatherman’[/B][/SIZE]

    Last week, Weather Channel founder and [B][SIZE="5"]global warming denier [/SIZE][/B]John Coleman [/QUOTE]


    Global warming "[U]denier[/U]" ?????

    WTF ???


    You know, back in the 70's they thought another ice age was coming. And...

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    [QUOTE=SanAntonio_JetFan;2411583]Global warming "[U]denier[/U]" ?????

    WTF ???


    You know, back in the 70's they thought another ice age was coming. And...[/QUOTE]

    The best that goofy [B]Come Back to Earth[/B] can do as a source is john coleman fom the 'flat-earth' society :zzz::zzz:

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    [QUOTE=SanAntonio_JetFan;2411583]Global warming "[U]denier[/U]" ?????

    WTF ???


    You know, back in the 70's they thought another ice age was coming. And...[/QUOTE]

    rat wingers like ignorantjetsfan were pointing fingers at Ice Age deniers back then, of course sourcing level headed outlets like "think progress"....:yes:

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;2411563][SIZE="4"][B]Right Wing Attacks ThinkProgress For Criticizing Global Warming Denial Of ‘TV Weatherman’[/B][/SIZE]

    Last week, Weather Channel founder and global warming denier John Coleman penned an article claiming global warming is a “scam.” Yesterday, CNN’s Glenn Beck hosted Coleman to discuss the “bullcrap” behind global warming. In the segment, Coleman claimed that global warming is “myth” and “bogus science”:

    When I looked at the hockey stick graph…it showed a steady lying temperature throughout the millenium and then a sudden rise, I knew that that was incorrect. I knew it couldn’t possibly be. … And I found out it was bogus science. It wasn’t real. The numbers had been massaged. The whole thing had been created.

    The right wing has been touting Coleman’s claims as refutation of global warming. On Friday, Newsbusters attacked ThinkProgress for criticizing Coleman, claiming we had taken “climate alarmism to absurd degrees.” ThinkProgress, Newsbusters said, should treat Coleman as a “high profile member of the weather reporting community” with legitimate views on climate change.

    In reality, Coleman’s views place him in the discredited fringe of global warming deniers — the modern day equivalent of those who believe the Earth is flat. As Science Magazine noted, in addition to the IPCC and National Academy of Sciences, there is overwhelming agreement about the causes of global warming:

    In recent years, all major scientific bodies in the United States whose members’ expertise bears directly on the matter have issued similar statements. … The American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, and the American Association for the Advancement of Science all have issued statements in recent years concluding that the evidence for human modification of climate is compelling.

    [B]Coleman, a meteorologist, has been rebuked by his parent association, the American Meteorological Association, as well as his “baby,” The Weather Channel.[/B]

    [B]Coleman cites no scientific evidence [/B]for his claims in his original article. “I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct,” he says to prove his point. If Coleman believes global warming is a “scam,” then he should bring peer-reviewed scientific proof to the table.

    Newbusters and the right wing, however, are satisfied in relying on Coleman’s resume as a weatherman, insisting that his fringe views be given equal consideration with the world’s established scientific consensus.

    [url]http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/13/john-coleman-ii/[/url][/QUOTE]ok,show me one study that says increased co in the atmosphere has caused temps to rise...just one?

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    [QUOTE=2foolish197;2411597]ok,show me one study that says increased co in the atmosphere has caused temps to rise...just one?[/QUOTE]

    [B][SIZE="4"]Greenland's ice sheet melts as temperatures riseStory Highlights
    Greenland's ice melt area increased 30% in 30 years, one scientist says[/SIZE][/B]

    The island is now losing more ice each year than it gains from new snow

    This melting ice is causing sea levels to rise around the world

    Scientists fear low-lying areas could be flooded if seas continue to rise

    Next Article in Technology »


    Read VIDEO
    By Heather O'Neill
    CNN


    ILULISSAT, Greenland (CNN) -- From the air, Greenland's ice sheet, the second largest on Earth, appears to be perfectly still.


    A boat sails by an iceberg floating in the Jacobshavn Bay near the town of Ilulissat, Greenland.

    1 of 3 But below the surface, the ice sheet is in constant motion, as ice built up in the interior pushes toward the coast in the form of massive glaciers. During warmer months, ice from these glaciers melts into the ocean.

    It's an age-old process that scientists say has sped up in recent decades because of global warming.

    The fear is that melting ice from Greenland and other Arctic areas could cause sea levels to rise enough to flood low-lying cities, such as Shanghai, China, and New York City, displacing millions of people in the process.

    A recent report from the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, made up of scientists from around the world, estimates the sea level rise by 2100 could be as much as 1˝ feet.

    "That sea level rise is only based on melt from ice sheets, and does not include a new fast flow of ice we have detected in Greenland that is generating additional icebergs," said Dr. Konrad Steffen, a climate scientist with the University of Colorado, Boulder. Watch how greenhouse gases cause temperatures to rise »

    Steffen estimates sea levels could rise three feet over the next century, a stark prediction that could wreak havoc around the world if it comes to pass. Greenland holds enough ice to cause sea levels to rise 23 feet if the entire ice sheet melted, a development few scientists expect to happen anytime soon. But global sea levels have been rising at the rate of three millimeters per year since 1993.

    For each of the past 17 years, Steffen has spent one month at a remote research site called Swiss Camp, located 300 miles north of the Arctic Circle in Greenland. He monitors the changing ice sheet through a network of global positioning systems and weather stations, which have recorded a dramatic rise in temperatures since the mid-1990s.

    "When we came here in 1990, the first two, three years were actually colder than normal. Then in 1994, 1995, it started to warm steadily and since then, we've had a temperature increase during the winter months of 4.5 degrees centigrade, 8.1 degrees Fahrenheit, which is very large, the largest temperature increase on earth," he said.

    The rising temperatures feed what scientists call a "positive feedback loop." As the air warms, it melts ice on the sea and snow on land. This exposes more water and land to the sun. Those surfaces in turn absorb more of the sun's heat, leading to more snow melt and ice melt.

    "When you look at our satellite analysis, we can see the melt area of Greenland over 30 years has increased by 30 percent," Steffen said.

    Despite all the changes in Greenland, this is not the first time temperatures have risen on the world's largest island. During the 1920s and 1930s, there was a significant warming trend that occurred without the level of man-made greenhouse gases recorded in our atmosphere today. The majority of scientists say greenhouse gases are the chief cause of global warming.

    The fact Greenland has warmed before leads some scientists to question how worried we should be about the current warming trend. Dr. Patrick Michaels, a climatologist, is part of a small group of climate change skeptics. He said Greenland's warm past didn't cause the ice sheet to disappear.

    "Well, this happened for 50 years in the early 20th century, and it happened for a millennium after the end of the last ice age," he said. "And the ice didn't shed off it."

    But Dr. Jay Zwally, a climate scientist with NASA, said he thinks the latest trend is different.

    "The current warming trend in Greenland is very extensive and is not likely to be explained by natural variability alone," he said. Zwally said the warming is consistent with scientific predictions about the effects of man-made greenhouse gases.

    Last year, satellite data collected by NASA scientists revealed Greenland is losing 100 billion tons of ice each year, more than it is gaining from snowfall in the interior. Steffen and others have also detected a new, faster movement of the ice sheet, causing the glaciers to dump more ice into the ocean, where it melts and contributes to sea-level rise.

    Part of this faster flow is caused by moulins, deep holes in the ice sheet that allow water to flow beneath the surface.

    "During the summer months, as the ice sheet melts, large running rivers of melt water snake down through the ice, to the bedrock base below," Steffen said.

    Last year, researchers lowered a camera into a moulin to explore the depth and flow of the melt water. Once the melt water from the surface reaches the bedrock below the ice, it can lift the ice sheet and provide a layer of viscosity for the ice to move faster toward the sea, a process that could accelerate as Greenland continues to warm.


    Steffen hopes his prediction of a three-foot rise in global sea level by 2100 won't become a reality. But he warned that even if we are able to reduce the world's carbon output from cars and power plants, it will take a long time for Earth's climate to stop warming and seas to stop rising.

    "Even if we reduce our carbon dioxide output, the climate will continue to warm," he said. "So even by stopping the increase of carbon dioxide today, we will have a warming, we will have sea level increase."

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    For the most part I believe that Global Warming is real. [B]BUT[/B], I have seen no evidence that climate change is more than a natural event. I see the current push, by the government and the media, to prevent Global Warming as a political tool to convince citizens to give up national and state sovereignty in the effort to advance a centralized global government agenda.

    - Just My 2 cents

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;2411603][B][SIZE="4"]Greenland's ice sheet melts as temperatures riseStory Highlights
    Greenland's ice melt area increased 30% in 30 years, one scientist says[/SIZE][/B]

    The island is now losing more ice each year than it gains from new snow

    This melting ice is causing sea levels to rise around the world

    Scientists fear low-lying areas could be flooded if seas continue to rise

    Next Article in Technology


    Read VIDEO
    By Heather O'Neill
    CNN


    ILULISSAT, Greenland (CNN) -- From the air, Greenland's ice sheet, the second largest on Earth, appears to be perfectly still.


    A boat sails by an iceberg floating in the Jacobshavn Bay near the town of Ilulissat, Greenland.

    1 of 3 But below the surface, the ice sheet is in constant motion, as ice built up in the interior pushes toward the coast in the form of massive glaciers. During warmer months, ice from these glaciers melts into the ocean.

    It's an age-old process that scientists say has sped up in recent decades because of global warming.

    The fear is that melting ice from Greenland and other Arctic areas could cause sea levels to rise enough to flood low-lying cities, such as Shanghai, China, and New York City, displacing millions of people in the process.

    A recent report from the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, made up of scientists from around the world, estimates the sea level rise by 2100 could be as much as 1˝ feet.

    "That sea level rise is only based on melt from ice sheets, and does not include a new fast flow of ice we have detected in Greenland that is generating additional icebergs," said Dr. Konrad Steffen, a climate scientist with the University of Colorado, Boulder. Watch how greenhouse gases cause temperatures to rise »

    Steffen estimates sea levels could rise three feet over the next century, a stark prediction that could wreak havoc around the world if it comes to pass. Greenland holds enough ice to cause sea levels to rise 23 feet if the entire ice sheet melted, a development few scientists expect to happen anytime soon. But global sea levels have been rising at the rate of three millimeters per year since 1993.

    For each of the past 17 years, Steffen has spent one month at a remote research site called Swiss Camp, located 300 miles north of the Arctic Circle in Greenland. He monitors the changing ice sheet through a network of global positioning systems and weather stations, which have recorded a dramatic rise in temperatures since the mid-1990s.

    "When we came here in 1990, the first two, three years were actually colder than normal. Then in 1994, 1995, it started to warm steadily and since then, we've had a temperature increase during the winter months of 4.5 degrees centigrade, 8.1 degrees Fahrenheit, which is very large, the largest temperature increase on earth," he said.

    The rising temperatures feed what scientists call a "positive feedback loop." As the air warms, it melts ice on the sea and snow on land. This exposes more water and land to the sun. Those surfaces in turn absorb more of the sun's heat, leading to more snow melt and ice melt.

    "When you look at our satellite analysis, we can see the melt area of Greenland over 30 years has increased by 30 percent," Steffen said.

    Despite all the changes in Greenland, this is not the first time temperatures have risen on the world's largest island. During the 1920s and 1930s, there was a significant warming trend that occurred without the level of man-made greenhouse gases recorded in our atmosphere today. The majority of scientists say greenhouse gases are the chief cause of global warming.

    The fact Greenland has warmed before leads some scientists to question how worried we should be about the current warming trend. Dr. Patrick Michaels, a climatologist, is part of a small group of climate change skeptics. He said Greenland's warm past didn't cause the ice sheet to disappear.

    "Well, this happened for 50 years in the early 20th century, and it happened for a millennium after the end of the last ice age," he said. "And the ice didn't shed off it."

    But Dr. Jay Zwally, a climate scientist with NASA, said he thinks the latest trend is different.

    "The current warming trend in Greenland is very extensive and is not likely to be explained by natural variability alone," he said. Zwally said the warming is consistent with scientific predictions about the effects of man-made greenhouse gases.

    Last year, satellite data collected by NASA scientists revealed Greenland is losing 100 billion tons of ice each year, more than it is gaining from snowfall in the interior. Steffen and others have also detected a new, faster movement of the ice sheet, causing the glaciers to dump more ice into the ocean, where it melts and contributes to sea-level rise.

    Part of this faster flow is caused by moulins, deep holes in the ice sheet that allow water to flow beneath the surface.

    "During the summer months, as the ice sheet melts, large running rivers of melt water snake down through the ice, to the bedrock base below," Steffen said.

    Last year, researchers lowered a camera into a moulin to explore the depth and flow of the melt water. Once the melt water from the surface reaches the bedrock below the ice, it can lift the ice sheet and provide a layer of viscosity for the ice to move faster toward the sea, a process that could accelerate as Greenland continues to warm.


    Steffen hopes his prediction of a three-foot rise in global sea level by 2100 won't become a reality. But he warned that even if we are able to reduce the world's carbon output from cars and power plants, it will take a long time for Earth's climate to stop warming and seas to stop rising.

    "Even if we reduce our carbon dioxide output, the climate will continue to warm," he said. "So even by stopping the increase of carbon dioxide today, we will have a warming, we will have sea level increase."[/QUOTE]wonderful article,beautifully written but i see words like"estimate","prediction","if","not likely" .

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    [QUOTE=jefethegreat;2411626]For the most part I believe that Global Warming is real. [B]BUT[/B], I have seen no evidence that climate change is more than a natural event. I see the current push, by the government and the media, to prevent Global Warming as a political tool to convince citizens to give up national and state sovereignty in the effort to advance a centralized global government agenda.

    - Just My 2 cents[/QUOTE]

    what gives you that idea you global warming denier??? the fact that just about every other planet in our solar system is heating up???

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    [QUOTE=SanAntonio_JetFan;2411554]Let's see....


    <local> Computer models can't predict weather accurately beyond a week, maybe two.

    But, I'm supposed to believe that a <global> computer model can accurately predict something 100 years from now?



    Riiiighhht.[/QUOTE]

    Global warming is happening right now. Assuming you are under 50 yrs old global warming will change your life and the map of the world before you die.

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    [QUOTE=fukushimajin;2411746]Global warming is happening right now. Assuming you are under 50 yrs old global warming will change your life and the map of the world before you die.[/QUOTE]

    Link, or are you just talking out your azz? Quite a confident and definitive statement you made there. I call BS.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2411738]what gives you that idea you global warming denier??? the fact that just about every other planet in our solar system is heating up???[/QUOTE]

    Who am I kidding I'm just a egocentric a**hole who likes warm weather and wouldn't mind some ocean front property out in West Jersey :D

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    Climate Progress’s Joe Romm reports that meteorologists generally have thin knowledge of long-term climate patterns:

    [INDENT][URL="http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/14/are-meteorologists-climate-experts/"]Meteorologists are not required [/URL]to take a course in climate change, this is not part of the NOAA/NWS [National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration/National Weather Service] certification requirements, so university programs don’t require the course (even if they offer it). So we have been educating generations of meteorologists who know nothing at all about climate change.[/INDENT]

    Romm writes, “Asking a meteorologist to opine on the climate — or even the cause of recent extreme weather — is like asking your family doctor what the chances are for an avian flu pandemic in the next few years or asking a mid-West sheriff the prospects for nuclear terrorism.”

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    [QUOTE=Press_Coverage;2411779]Climate Progress’s Joe Romm reports that meteorologists generally have thin knowledge of long-term climate patterns:

    [INDENT][URL="http://climateprogress.org/2007/11/14/are-meteorologists-climate-experts/"]Meteorologists are not required [/URL]to take a course in climate change, this is not part of the NOAA/NWS [National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration/National Weather Service] certification requirements, so university programs don’t require the course (even if they offer it). So we have been educating generations of meteorologists who know nothing at all about climate change.[/INDENT]

    Romm writes, “Asking a meteorologist to opine on the climate — or even the cause of recent extreme weather — is like asking your family doctor what the chances are for an avian flu pandemic in the next few years or asking a mid-West sheriff the prospects for nuclear terrorism.”[/QUOTE]so i would conclude from this post that meteorologists can never have any opinion on climate change no matter how much they know about the subject.and you would only take the word of a scientist...like Dr William Gray for instance,a hurricane specialist from Colorado State U.?

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    We get it you hate Al Gore, great.

    But how many other planets have people throwing their trash all over the place and smoke stacks spewing.

    China just had a river turn red and started to bubble. I guess that is a natural occurrence as well?

    [QUOTE]BEIJING — Pollution has turned part of a major river system in central China red and bubbly, forcing authorities to cut water supplies to 200,000 people and close schools, a government news agency reported Wednesday. [B]Tests showed the polluted waters contained elevated levels of ammonia, nitrogen, and permanganate, a chemical used in metal cleaning, tanning and bleaching, Xinhua said.[/B]

    [url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,332976,00.html[/url][/QUOTE]



    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2411738]what gives you that idea you global warming denier??? the fact that just about every other planet in our solar system is heating up???[/QUOTE]

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    yeah because suing people solves problems

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    No one talks about the degeneration of our desserts. There is so much vegetation in the dessert that if there were no degeneration of the rain forest, the planets moisture percentage would get screwed and mess a ton of **** up. The amazonian rainforests have disapeared evey 12,000 years since the beggining of time. There is no such thing as global warming, just the democrats version to scare people to oppose the "terrorist" threats from the republicans. Fear is the only way to control a population, with the exception of malnutrition of course. Ghandi was about salt. The nations healthcare is officially the lowest among industrialized nations. We are a sess pool of lower consciousness.

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    [QUOTE=fukushimajin;2411746]Global warming is happening right now. Assuming you are under 50 yrs old global warming will change your life and the map of the world before you die.[/QUOTE]

    Yes, it will.

    But not directly in any form, and not in the way your implying. ;)

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