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    The Broken Party Nomination System

    Think about it for a second, about all the voters and all the States who's vote means nothing now in deciding their Party's nominee.

    Think about how much impact tiny micro-populations of early States had.

    Think about how much influence cross-party manipulation voting had had, for both sides.

    Think about campaigns who couldn't compete because of this system.

    Think about how horrible the winner-take-all system is, and how much worse than that the "Super Delegate" system is.

    What an absolutely proper-fzucked system to nominate the two people who will, soon, fight it out to be the next President of the greatest Nation on Earth.

    It's embarassing. And it's corrupt. And it's wrong.

    The solution is VERY simple.

    National Primary Day:

    --All States hold their primary on the same day, and all states hold primaries (not the horrid and easily manipulated and corrupt "caucus" system). All States portion out their Delegates based on % of the Vote.

    --All candidates get 6 month prior to National Primary Day to campaign. Campaigning Starts Jan. 1 of the Election year, Primary Day is July 3rd of the same year, and is a NATIONAL Holiday (as would be Election Day itself).

    --No more cross-party manipulation. Only Registered Party members for at least 1 year can vote, and only in their parties primary. This is not a General Election, this is a PARTY Primary, for the PARTY to elect the PARTY's nominee. No independants or cross party manipulatoirs are entitled to break that process (as has happened willy-nilly this year).

    --Want a third party, GREAT! Register as one, we should encourage that. Hell, make it so registered "Independants are just that, INDEPENDANT of the two Big Parties, and hence only able to vote Third Party come Primary Season, at least till some legit "big-two" competitor third parties form up. If you want to vote for the big two as a Party member, you're not an Independant anyway......

    The system is broken as hell, and it needs to be fixed IMO. And yes, the above is ALL "idealist fantasy", but I think it's a damn good one.

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    good post fish

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    Good post, and a real problem, to be sure.

    The one thing I disagree with is excluding independents from party primaries. I think the unintended consequence of that will be to reward ideologues and punish candidates with crossover appeal, which are of course the ones most likely to cooperate with the other side and actually achieve something.

    If you had a "national primary day," in which all the states voted at once, you wouldn't have, say, Republicans meddling in a Democratic race because their own race wouldn't be settled yet.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2413232]Good post, and a real problem, to be sure.

    The one thing I disagree with is excluding independents from party primaries. I think the unintended consequence of that will be to reward ideologues and punish candidates with crossover appeal, which are of course the ones most likely to cooperate with the other side and actually achieve something.

    If you had a "national primary day," in which all the states voted at once, you wouldn't have, say, Republicans meddling in a Democratic race because their own race wouldn't be settled yet.[/QUOTE]

    You're not thinking long term, and you're still thinking as a selfish Independant IMO:

    --Ok, so say a "Party Only" system rewards those deeper left/right. Fine. Do you really think Independants, Moderates and others, both in the two parties and Independant, will simply follow suit as they move further and further left/right?

    Or do you think, with a hole in the Politicial Landscape to be Filled, a Third Party (the Moderation Party perhaps) would not form, from moderates on both sides, the "work together" folks, to fill the void and grab their share of political voice, and power? Would Independants, who are that way usually because they are not far right or far left, not flock to that moderation party....or are they dishonets hypocrites who really DO want nothign more than one party or the other in power, or to play manipulation games with our system?

    And again, if you are really an "Independant", what makes you think you have some inherant right to play with the Party's choice of nominee? You get your say in the General Election, if you're really "Independant" right now. Seems Independants want the best of both worlds, frankly. They want to play loose and fast with their support, and manipulate BOTH parties to suit THEIR desires by bending the system to them, rather than working to help one party or the other (or best of all, working for a third) to become better. Sorry, no dice.

    I guarantee you.....limiting the nomineation process as outlined above would both encourage legitimate Third Party Options, AND would have far more authenticity in each of the two candidates brought to bear by the Big Two. Far less pandering (and lets be honest, both big parties do far more pandering to Moderates than any ACTUAL moderation in policies).
    Last edited by Warfish; 03-05-2008 at 12:09 PM.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2413188]--All candidates get 6 month prior to National Primary Day to campaign. Campaigning Starts Jan. 1 of the Election year, [B]Primary Day is July 3rd of the same year, and is a NATIONAL Holiday [/B](as would be Election Day itself).[/QUOTE]

    Awesome idea! July 3rd and July 4th off? Got my vote, 'Fish...

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2413264]Awesome idea! July 3rd and July 4th off? Got my vote, 'Fish...[/QUOTE]

    "A Spoonful of Suger, Helps the Medicine Go Down".

    And no excuses for the population for not taking part.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2413188]Think about it for a second, about all the voters and all the States who's vote means nothing now in deciding their Party's nominee.

    Think about how much impact tiny micro-populations of early States had.

    Think about how much influence cross-party manipulation voting had had, for both sides.

    Think about campaigns who couldn't compete because of this system.

    Think about how horrible the winner-take-all system is, and how much worse than that the "Super Delegate" system is.

    What an absolutely proper-fzucked system to nominate the two people who will, soon, fight it out to be the next President of the greatest Nation on Earth.

    It's embarassing. And it's corrupt. And it's wrong.

    The solution is VERY simple.

    National Primary Day:

    --All States hold their primary on the same day, and all states hold primaries (not the horrid and easily manipulated and corrupt "caucus" system). All States portion out their Delegates based on % of the Vote.

    --All candidates get 6 month prior to National Primary Day to campaign. Campaigning Starts Jan. 1 of the Election year, Primary Day is July 3rd of the same year, and is a NATIONAL Holiday (as would be Election Day itself).

    --No more cross-party manipulation. Only Registered Party members for at least 1 year can vote, and only in their parties primary. This is not a General Election, this is a PARTY Primary, for the PARTY to elect the PARTY's nominee. No independants or cross party manipulatoirs are entitled to break that process (as has happened willy-nilly this year).

    --Want a third party, GREAT! Register as one, we should encourage that. Hell, make it so registered "Independants are just that, INDEPENDANT of the two Big Parties, and hence only able to vote Third Party come Primary Season, at least till some legit "big-two" competitor third parties form up. If you want to vote for the big two as a Party member, you're not an Independant anyway......

    The system is broken as hell, and it needs to be fixed IMO. And yes, the above is ALL "idealist fantasy", but I think it's a damn good one.[/QUOTE]

    Excellent post, Warfish. But, while your at it we need to blow up the electoral collage. This group serves no purpose but to co-opt the vote of the general public whom the elites who put the collage in place thought were just too stupid or uninformed to actually pick the president. Until we do that, our votes don't really count for much now, do they?

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