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    Another NYSlimes hit piece on McCain....

    so let's see....first there was his "affair" then his questonable US citizenship now it's his melenoma procedure from eight years ago.....good to see the Slimes continues to prove what a liberal rag it is....

    [QUOTE][B]On the Campaign Trail, Few Mentions of McCain’s Bout With Melanoma [/B]

    By LAWRENCE K. ALTMAN, M.D.
    Published: March 9, 2008

    Along with his signature bright white hair, the most striking aspects of Senator John McCain’s physical appearance are his puffy left cheek and the scar that runs down the back of his neck.

    It was one of four he has had.

    The marks are cosmetic reminders of the melanoma surgery he underwent in August 2000. Mr. McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, sometimes tells audiences that he has “more scars than Frankenstein.”

    The operation was performed mainly to determine whether the melanoma, a potentially fatal form of skin cancer, had spread from his left temple to a key lymph node in his neck; a preliminary pathology test at the time showed that it had not.

    But because such a test cannot be definitive, the surgeons, with Mr. McCain’s advance permission, removed the surrounding lymph nodes and part of the parotid gland, which produces saliva, in the same operation, which lasted five and a half hours.

    The final pathology analysis showed no evidence of spread of the melanoma, his staff said at the time. Mr. McCain, of Arizona, has said he did not need chemotherapy or radiation.

    In 1999, during Mr. McCain’s first race for president, he gave the public an extraordinary look at his medical history — 1,500 pages of medical and psychiatric records that were amassed as part of a United States Navy project to gauge the health of former prisoners of war. This reporter, who is a physician, interviewed the senator’s doctors in 1999 with his permission.

    But this time around, Mr. McCain has yet to make his full medical records or his physicians available to reporters. At least three times since March 2007, campaign officials have told The New York Times that they would provide the detailed information about his current state of health, but they have not done so. The campaign now says it expects to release the information in April.

    So Mr. McCain’s prognosis for the recurrence of melanoma can be gauged only by talking to experts not connected with his case. Those experts say his prospects appear favorable.

    The melanoma removed in 2000 was Stage IIa on a standard classification that makes Stage IV the most serious. For Stage IIa melanoma, the survival rate 10 years after diagnosis is about 65 percent. But the outlook is much better for patients like Mr. McCain, who have already survived more than seven years.

    For patients with a melanoma like Mr. McCain’s who remained free of the disease for the first five years after diagnosis, the probability of recurrence during the next five years was 14 percent and death 9 percent, a study published in 1992 found.

    No spread has been detected in the three or four dermatologic checkups Mr. McCain has undergone each year since 2000, stress tests show no evidence of heart disease, and “his doctors consider him in very good health,” his campaign staff said in a recent statement.

    The campaign also said Mr. McCain regularly took Vytorin to lower his cholesterol, a baby aspirin to help prevent heart attacks, a multivitamin and, occasionally, Claritin or Flonase for allergies.

    Mr. McCain has proved resilient in the past, surviving serious injuries that he sustained when his airplane was shot down over Vietnam and then when he was captured, and sometimes tortured, as a prisoner of war for five and a half years.

    Now he is hoping to be the oldest man ever elected to a first term as president. Even if the melanoma returns, he would not be the first sitting president to have had cancer.

    From what information Mr. McCain has disclosed, he is at increased risk for melanoma and other skin cancers because of his medical history, fair skin and prolonged sun exposure at a young age — long before the wide use of sunscreen.

    Since the 2008 campaign began, doctors not connected with Mr. McCain’s case have expressed intense interest in the extent of the face and neck surgery that he underwent on Aug. 19, 2000, at the Mayo Clinic Scottsdale in Arizona.

    Some of these doctors have noted in e-mail messages and in comments to reporters that the surgery appeared to be so extensive that they were surprised his melanoma was not more serious — perhaps Stage III, which would give him a bleaker prognosis. These doctors said they would be surprised to learn that such an operation would be performed without evidence that the melanoma had spread.

    But a number of melanoma experts said in interviews that such an operation was understandable according to the medical standards of 2000 and that the extensive surgery did not necessarily imply Stage III melanoma.

    “It was not out of line,” said one of the experts, Dr. Richard L. Shapiro, a melanoma surgeon at New York University. Dr. Shapiro added that he would feel more comfortable in making a judgment if he saw a full pathology report.

    “It was a complex problem,” he said, “that was handled very skillfully by a team of experts.”

    Dr. Denis Cortese, Mayo Clinic’s president and chief executive, said in a recent interview that experts in all three of the clinic’s sites discussed details of Mr. McCain’s operation before it was performed.

    In trying to discover whether the melanoma had spread from his temple, Mr. McCain’s doctors made an incision down the side of his face and partly removed the lymph nodes in his neck, the campaign said in the statement.

    “No spread of melanoma was found in any of these locations,” the campaign said. “However, this preventative procedure had cosmetic side effects for Senator McCain, including swelling at the site of the incision. Thus, the large scar and attendant swelling that Senator McCain has on the left side of his face is not the result of the melanoma itself, which was small and localized, but rather of the more extensive surgical procedure utilized out of a high degree of caution.”

    Mr. McCain has had four melanomas.

    In 1993, he waited more than six months before seeking care after a Navy doctor recommended that he consult a dermatologist for a lesion on his left shoulder that turned out to be his first melanoma. It was excised and has not recurred.

    Pathology tests showed that the two other melanomas — detected on his upper left arm in 2000 and on his nose in 2002 — were of the least dangerous kind, in situ. In that type the malignant cells are confined to the outer layer of skin.

    The most serious melanoma was spotted on his temple in 2000 by the attending physician at the United States Capitol after it had escaped the eye of Mr. McCain’s personal physician at Mayo Clinic Scottsdale. (The Capitol physician also spotted another melanoma that was in situ.)

    The melanoma on Mr. McCain’s left temple was 2 centimeters in diameter and 0.22 centimeters deep, and was fully excised with wide margins, 2 centimeters in each direction, his campaign staff said.

    To determine whether the cancer had spread to lymph nodes in his neck, the Mayo doctors injected a radioactive dye into the melanoma in a procedure known as a sentinel node biopsy hours before surgery. The doctors waited for the dye to flow in the lymph fluid to the node in the neck to which the cancer is statistically most likely to spread first.

    Then they used a gamma counter — an instrument like a Geiger counter — to identify the node, and removed it. Pathologists quickly froze the tissue while Mr. McCain was on the operating table, looked at it through a microscope and did not detect cancerous cells.

    But this kind of biopsy is not 100 percent reliable for melanoma, partly because the chemical stains that help pathologists identify breast and other cancers in frozen sections do not work as well on melanomas. Also, the cancer could have spread to a nonsentinel node.

    So Mr. McCain’s surgeons, following what was then an accepted practice, removed the surrounding nodes as part of the sentinel operation.

    The operation to dissect the lymph nodes in the face and neck can be tricky as the surgeon works to avoid injuring the nerve that controls various facial movements and expressions.

    In Mr. McCain’s case, the Mayo Clinic team of surgeons reconstructed the skin and soft tissue overlying the left temple, face and neck by pulling up skin to close the wound.

    Doctors advise melanoma patients to have regular checkups to detect new skin cancers and the spread of old ones because melanomas can be quirky. Mr. McCain’s staff has not said what tests his doctors have used to monitor his case.

    Most recurrences of melanoma occur in the first few years after detection. Survival figures for melanomas are often measured in 10-year periods rather than the 5-year periods for many other cancers.

    “With melanoma, a patient is never completely clear,” said Dr. Shapiro, the N.Y.U. expert.

    If melanomas do recur, standard treatment options are limited for many to surgery and a difficult form of chemotherapy. The chances of long-term survival diminish.

    Now, on the campaign trail, Mr. McCain appears to take care to shield himself from the sun, slathering on powerful sunscreen before outdoor events, finding spots of shade from which to speak and sometimes wearing baseball caps while outside.

    [B]Mr. McCain is occasionally asked on the campaign trail about his age. But he is almost never asked about his health. [/B]

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    [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/us/politics/09mccain.html?_r=1&oref=slogin[/url]


    of course don't you dare call hussien obama by his middle name!!

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2423803]so let's see....first there was his "affair" then his questonable US citizenship now it's his melenoma procedure from eight years ago.....good to see the Slimes continues to prove what a liberal rag it is....



    [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/us/politics/09mccain.html?_r=1&oref=slogin[/url]


    of course don't you dare call hussien obama by his middle name!![/QUOTE]

    The health of any candidate is a legitimate issue to explore, particularly one who would be the oldest first-term president ever. The article makes it seem as if he has no current health problems, actually, which is good for McCain.

    Hardly a "hit piece," and certainly much more valid than the affair nonsense.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2423848]The health of any candidate is a legitimate issue to explore, particularly one who would be the oldest first-term president ever. The article makes it seem as if he has no current health problems, actually, which is good for McCain.

    Hardly a "hit piece," and certainly much more valid than the affair nonsense.[/QUOTE]

    I agree. This piece is not the same as the silly drivel from the other story.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2423803]so let's see....first there was his "affair" then his questonable US citizenship now it's his melenoma procedure from eight years ago.....good to see the Slimes continues to prove what a liberal rag it is....



    [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/us/politics/09mccain.html?_r=1&oref=slogin[/url]


    of course don't you dare call hussien obama by his middle name!![/QUOTE]

    This is a legitimate concern. Kind of like when people brought of Paul Tsongas' lymphoma when he ran for president or JFKs Addisons disease or Jimmy Carter and his family hx of Pancreatic cancer

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;2423921]This is a legitimate concern. Kind of like when people brought of Paul Tsongas' lymphoma when he ran for president or JFKs Addisons disease or Jimmy Carter and his family hx of Pancreatic cancer[/QUOTE]

    sure it is....the article states melanoma:

    [QUOTE]Most recurrences of melanoma occur in the first few years after detection. Survival figures for melanomas are often measured in 10-year periods rather than the 5-year periods for many other cancers.[/QUOTE]

    so we're eight years into is and all of a sudden it's a concern....what's the survival rate of pancreatic cancer versus melanoma????

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2423979]sure it is....the article states melanoma:



    so we're eight years into is and all of a sudden it's a concern....what's the survival rate of pancreatic cancer versus melanoma????[/QUOTE]

    Dude stick to pretending to be an NFL Scout.
    The part you copy and paisted is true for early stage Melanoma. Based on what is said in this article his staging is either IIA or IIB (not enough info to tell). 10 year [B]survival[/B] for Stage II (out of IV) is 60%. While its likely that he is "out of the woods" keep in mind that these are all statistics and statistics apply to groups , not individuals.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;2424052]Dude stick to pretending to be an NFL Scout.[/QUOTE]

    right...whatever you say....

    [QUOTE]The part you copy and paisted is true for early stage Melanoma. Based on what is said in this article his staging is either IIA or IIB (not enough info to tell). 10 year [B]survival[/B] for Stage II (out of IV) is 60%. While its likely that he is "out of the woods" keep in mind that these are all statistics and statistics apply to groups , not individuals.[/QUOTE]

    good to see you never answered about the comparisons of melanoma vs pancreatic cancer...

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2424087]right...whatever you say....



    good to see you never answered about the comparisons of melanoma vs pancreatic cancer...[/QUOTE]

    Yes Pancreatic CA is much more fatal. But Carter didnt even have it. His family did. And familial penetrance is nowhere near 100%. Get a clue. This is a legitimate question by the NY Times

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    Since the Spitzer news broke and this week's McCain slam will get buried in its backwash, the Times has announced that they will be rerunning this article next week.

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    [QUOTE=Phoenixx;2424176]Since the Spitzer news broke and this week's McCain slam will get buried in its backwash, the Times has announced that they will be rerunning this article next week.[/QUOTE]

    and include classified information about a zit on McCain's ass he popped...

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2424202]and include classified information about a zit on McCain's ass he popped...[/QUOTE]

    Wow! You are truly an ignoramus.
    Zit= Stage II Malignant Melanoma

    I didnt know 40% of people die from a zit within 10 years
    What an idiot!

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;2424432]Wow! You are truly an ignoramus.
    Zit= Stage II Malignant Melanoma

    I didnt know 40% of people die from a zit within 10 years
    What an idiot![/QUOTE]

    or you're just a fuqin moron who refuses to admit that a liberal rag like the NYSlimes continues to create garbage, non-essential news to build a case against McCain....but please- tells us more about Faux News :rolleyes:

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    Come Back to NY there are plenty of places to get news these days. But can you explain to me how this particular article makes the Times a liberal newspaper ? Is it because Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh tell you so ? If anyone is polluting this country its those guys.

    What defines the Times as being a liberal newspaper. Can you explain ? Im just having a hard time these days on what a liberal and a conservative actully are.

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    [QUOTE=Smashmouth;2424699]Come Back to NY there are plenty of places to get news these days. But can you explain to me how this particular article makes the Times a liberal newspaper ? Is it because Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh tell you so ? If anyone is polluting this country its those guys.

    What defines the Times as being a liberal newspaper. Can you explain ? Im just having a hard time these days on what a liberal and a conservative actully are.[/QUOTE]

    Would printing a story trying to imply McCain cheated on his wife with a lobbyist is 2000, without no evidence at all qualify?

    Or

    How about a few years ago when the jerk off who does the editorial told a citizen who wrote in a letter about a meth dealer, not to report him to the police because the war on drugs is more harmful then the dealer.

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    [QUOTE=Smashmouth;2424699]Come Back to NY there are plenty of places to get news these days. But can you explain to me how this particular article makes the Times a liberal newspaper ? Is it because Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh tell you so ? If anyone is polluting this country its those guys.

    What defines the Times as being a liberal newspaper. Can you explain ? Im just having a hard time these days on what a liberal and a conservative actully are.[/QUOTE]

    1) I can't believe anyone would ask this question and try to be serious about it....what does the NYSlimes do to make you think they aren't biased to the hard left???

    2) As I pointed out at the start- it is not just this article rather another hit piece on mccain; from infering he had an affair, to questioning his citzenship and now talking about cancer he had eight years ago....

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    [QUOTE=Smashmouth;2424699]Come Back to NY there are plenty of places to get news these days. But can you explain to me how this particular article makes the Times a liberal newspaper ? Is it because Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh tell you so ? If anyone is polluting this country its those guys.

    What defines the Times as being a liberal newspaper. Can you explain ? Im just having a hard time these days on what a liberal and a conservative actully are.[/QUOTE]
    Look back at their recent history of Presidential endorsements. They actually picked Mondale over Reagan.:eek:

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    Ok so we have this piece on MCcain and the Drug piece from a few years ago. Obviously if what the guy said about the drugs is actully how that particular article was summarized then yeah the guys an idiot. But the War on Drugs is still a joke is maybe that what he was trying to portray ? I don't honestly know I have not read the article.

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    [QUOTE=Smashmouth;2424738]Ok so we have this piece on MCcain and the Drug piece from a few years ago. Obviously if what the guy said about the drugs is actully how that particular article was summarized then yeah the guys an idiot. But the War on Drugs is still a joke is maybe that what he was trying to portray ? I don't honestly know I have not read the article.[/QUOTE]

    Bottom line.. It's a liberal newpaper.

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    Ahh ok CBTNY so it was a hit piece and that makes the article a liberal article ?

    I know the newspaper is liberal biased Im just confuse as to why certain articles are labeled liberal when they have actully nothing to do with weather someone is liberal or not >

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    Ya see guys I have a big problem as to whats defined as liberal and conservative these days . I know the Times is a liberal Newspaper but my problem is a particular article that has nothing to do with whats liberal or conservative gets labeled something its NOT. Republicans sling just as much crap as dems. There both idiots if you ask me . You forget what Bush did to MCain in 2000 ??? Or was that not liberal cause it was Geroge Bush and hes a republican so he must not be liberal.

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