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    McCain Saved Taxpayers From Getting Ripped Off... Commies Up In Arms.

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    [QUOTE]A Good Deal of Credit to McCain for Stopping a Bad Deal
    Boeing and blame.

    By David Freddoso
    In 2001, the United States Air Force wanted to begin replacing 500 of its aging refueling planes. The plan began with a sweetheart deal, buried in the fine print of the 2002 defense-authorization bill. The Air Force was to lease 100 Boeing fuel tankers at a cost of $26 billion — $6 billion more than the cost of buying them outright, according to an estimate by the White House Office of Management and Budget.

    If that sounds like a bad deal, it’s because it was. It never occurred, thanks to loud and persistent protests from Sen. John McCain (R., Ariz.). And now that McCain is a candidate for president and Boeing’s rival has won the contract, Democrats are effectively complaining that he didn’t let Boeing rip off the taxpayers.

    The sordid story of the Boeing lease deal took what may be its final turn on February 29, when the Air Force announced that it will buy 179 tankers — nearly twice as many — from Boeing’s rival, Airbus. The deal is valued at $35 billion (for perspective, $26 billion in 2001 was worth $31 billion in today’s dollars). McCain is proudly touting a government estimate of $6.2 billion in savings for the taxpayers that ultimately resulted from his aggressive investigation. Democrats are attacking him for blocking Boeing, one of the nation’s top corporations in both congressional lobbying and campaign contributions.

    McCain took the initiative in fighting off the bogus Boeing deal, calling it a “corporate bailout” and “the worst, sleaziest rip-off of the taxpayers that I have ever seen in my 21 years here.” McCain vigorously investigated the deal before and after he became chairman of the Airland Subcommittee of the Senate Armed Services Committee. He spent two years trying to obtain incriminating internal e-mails from the company, and its unions launched vicious attacks on him in Arizona during what proved to be an easy 2004 re-election campaign.

    When McCain finally received the e-mails, the Boeing tanker deal exploded. The investigation revealed malfeasance, resulting in a $615 million fine for the company. Boeing’s CEO, Phil Condit, was forced to resign. The company’s CFO was sent to prison. Darleen Druyun, who had served as the second-ranking civilian official for Air Force procurement, also went to prison. She pled guilty in 2004 to steering the tanker contract and other deals toward Boeing in the hopes of later securing lucrative jobs with the company for herself and her family members.

    After the Air Force announced Feb. 29 that the tanker deal would go to Boeing’s chief rival, Airbus, Democrats decided to make this an election issue. They are not only faulting McCain for highlighting Boeing’s wrongdoing, but also turning their own ideological world upside down. Normally incensed by outrageous no-bid military contracts, top Democrats like Rahm Emanuel (D., Ill.) are attacking McCain for stopping a deal that would have needlessly enriched a major corporation at the expense of taxpayers. “We are sending the jobs overseas, all because John McCain demanded it,” Emanuel told the Associated Press.

    Yet Airbus, a “foreign company,” will still be building most of these tankers in the U.S. — in Mobile, Ala., to be precise, and in partnership with the Los Angeles-based Northrop Grumman. The deal with Airbus’s military arm (the European Aeronautic Defence and Space Corp., or EADS) will come at a savings of $6.2 billion for taxpayers over the attempted Boeing deal. This raises the question: Are these complainers more interested in helping American companies, or in propping up a company that is long on campaign contributions and lobbying power, but short on economic competitiveness?

    It’s not as though Boeing doesn’t get a lot from the government already — which is no surprise, considering that Boeing routinely spends more than $8 million lobbying Congress each year (last year it spent more than $10.6 million), part of it on lobbyist Linda Daschle, wife of the former Senate Majority Leader. Congress’s decision to bail out flagging airlines after 9/11 was a guarantee that cash and contracts would keep flowing Boeing’s way. And Boeing still receives an enormous share of military contracts — a 2004 report from the Center for Public Integrity identified Boeing as the second-largest military contractor, with $82 billion in deals between 1998 and 2003.

    In addition to the Department of Defense, there exists an entire government agency whose main purpose is to subsidize Boeing. The United States Export-Import Bank made 53 percent of its loans and loan guarantees (in dollar terms) to Boeing between 1998 and 2004, to the tune of $32.7 billion.

    Boeing complains, correctly, that Airbus also receives subsidies from both France and the European Union. And because of the contorted methods by which the U.S. government subsidizes Boeing, they argue that their subsidy meets the standards of the World Trade Organization, whereas most European subsidies to Airbus do not. Yet when the taxpayer’s money is being spent, such technicalities are less meaningful than the bottom line.

    The final refuge of those whining over Boeing’s loss is the fact that Airbus is a foreign corporation, and that the U.S. military is now relying on foreigners to produce necessary military equipment. But for the most part, Americans will be building these planes. Boeing had estimated that it would have created 9,000 American jobs and supported 35,000 others had it received the contract. Airbus is estimating that it will create 2,000 American jobs and support 25,000. Even taking these assumptions at face value, Democrats are trying to convince American taxpayers that it is worth their while to fork over $886,000 for each of the additional 7,000 jobs that Boeing would have supposedly created, or $316,000 for each extra job “created or supported.”

    McCain was not the one who awarded the contract to Airbus, but it’s a good thing he stopped it from going to Boeing in 2001. If 2,000 American workers — not to mention all American taxpayers — can benefit from subsidies provided by European governments, then why in the world should we not take advantage?[/QUOTE]

    But I thought these big corporations were evil? That's what the history teacher and the plumber keep preaching on this board.

    I guess they're not all that evil if you can use them as ammunition against your political opponent....

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    [QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;2425914][url]http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YzBlZGY5YTE0MWQ1YjQyNzY2NWQ1ODQ2MWYzMGVkNjQ=[/url]



    But I thought these big corporations were evil? That's what the history teacher and the plumber keep preaching on this board.

    I guess they're not all that evil if you can use them as ammunition against your political opponent....[/QUOTE]


    This was a very good thing that McCain did.

    On the other hand the Keating five dibacle was a very bad thing that McCain did.

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    [quote=Buster;2425963]This was a very good thing that McCain did.

    On the other hand the Keating five dibacle was a very bad thing that McCain did.[/quote]

    Buster, when the best attack you have on a politician is something that happened 20 years ago . . . you're in bad shape.

    When said politician acknowledged the problem 20 years ago and used it as motivation to avoid similar situations for two decades . . . well, that attack's pretty much DOA.

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    [QUOTE=doggin94it;2425974]Buster, when the best attack you have on a politician is something that happened 20 years ago . . . you're in bad shape.

    When said politician acknowledged the problem 20 years ago and used it as motivation to avoid similar situations for two decades . . . well, that attack's pretty much DOA.[/QUOTE]

    And when the greatest compliment you can pay a politician is something he did 6 years ago...

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    Americans are winners and losers in this.

    American Firms [I]should be[/I] manufacturing for our military, as well as profiting from the deals.

    This may affect our GDP with some of the planes being built here, but it doesn't help our GNP. It hurts.

    There was probably a negotiated solution that was missed.

    Because not only is Airbus also a greedy corporation, its foreign corporation.

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    [QUOTE=Darth Vader;2426123]Americans are winners and losers in this.

    American Firms [I]should be[/I] manufacturing for our military, as well as profiting from the deals.

    This may affect our GDP with some of the planes being built here, but it doesn't help our GNP. It hurts.

    There was probably a negotiated solution that was missed.

    Because not only is Airbus also a greedy corporation, its foreign corporation.[/QUOTE]

    How is Airbus a greedy corporation in this case?

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    [QUOTE=Buster;2425987]And when the greatest compliment you can pay a politician is something he did 6 years ago...[/QUOTE]

    And when Ms. Clinton hasn't done anything....ever....outside of covering for her whore husband.....

    We could do this all day long.:rolleyes::zzz:

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    But I thought these big corporations were evil? That's what the history teacher and the plumber keep preaching on this board.

    I guess they're not all that evil if you can use them as ammunition against your political opponent....[/QUOTE]



    I've worked on military contracts and I've profited. So, I'm probably going to hell according to SuperOmniscientJetsFan.

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    Are the libs suggesting that the military award no-bid contracts to a mega-corporation?

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    [QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;2425914] That's what...the plumber keep[s] preaching on this board.
    ....[/QUOTE]

    Link, please...;)

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    [QUOTE=SanAntonio_JetFan;2426209]SuperOmniscientJetsFan.[/QUOTE]

    :pepper:

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2426205]And when Ms. Clinton hasn't done anything....ever....outside of covering for her whore husband.....

    We could do this all day long.:rolleyes::zzz:[/QUOTE]

    In Hillary's defense, she IS better than Hussein at answering the phone at 3am.

    She'd make one hell of a 911 operator.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2426205]And when Ms. Clinton hasn't done anything....ever....outside of covering for her whore husband.....

    We could do this all day long.:rolleyes::zzz:[/QUOTE]


    My post was in response to the "...who cares about that silly Ethics committee rebuke of John McCain for his use of his position as a US Senator to have a federal agency ease up on an investigation of a large McCain campaign contributor..." because after all, it was 20 years ago.

    Why do you Bring Mrs Clinton into this discussion?

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    [QUOTE=JetFanTransplant;2426218]Are the libs suggesting that the military award no-bid contracts to a mega-corporation?[/QUOTE]

    I would rather see no bid contracts to domestic military corporations than outsourcing. It's the lesser of two evils and at least it keeps our defense programs "in house" as opposed to in the hands of outsiders who don't have our best interests in mind.

    However, the original deal with Boeing was terrible and I'm glad it didn't become a reality.

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    [QUOTE=Buster;2426319]My post was in response to the "...who cares about that silly Ethics committee rebuke of John McCain for his use of his position as a US Senator to have a federal agency ease up on an investigation of a large McCain campaign contributor..." because after all, it was 20 years ago.

    Why do you Bring Mrs Clinton into this discussion?[/QUOTE]

    You comment about one Presidential Candidate was:

    [QUOTE]And when the greatest compliment you can pay a politician is something he did 6 years ago...[/QUOTE]

    And my comparison with another Presidential Candidate was:

    [QUOTE]And when Ms. Clinton hasn't done anything....ever....outside of covering for her whore husband.....[/QUOTE]

    My intent seems pretty clear Buster.

    If you'd prefer to simply list scandals, misdeed, allegations and controvery of McCain vs. Clinton, we can do that as well. Considering that the Ms. Clinton is still quite possably the nominee, her wide, deep and extensive lack of actual work experience, but massive amounts of experience with questionable scandals and misdeeds, is fair game as I see it.

    [QUOTE=wikipedia]In August 1991, the committee concluded that (Democrats) Cranston's, DeConcini's, and Riegle's conduct constituted substantial interference with the FHLBB's enforcement efforts and that they had interfered at the behest of Charles Keating. The Ethics Committee concluded that Glenn's and [B][U]McCain's involvement in the scheme was minimal[/U][/B].

    The scandal was followed by a number of attempts to adopt campaign finance reform—spearheaded by U.S. Sen. David Boren (D-OK)—but most attempts died in committee. A weakened reform was passed in 1993. Substantial campaign finance reform was not passed until the adoption of the McCain-Feingold Act in 2002.[/QUOTE]

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    Earmark requests on the 2007 Budget

    Hillary: Over 340 Million
    Obama: Over 320 Million (I guess that is what he calls "change")
    McCain: Zero

    Nuff said!


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    But I thought these big corporations were evil? That's what the history teacher and the plumber keep preaching on this board.

    I guess they're not all that evil if you can use them as ammunition against your political opponent....[/quote]

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    [QUOTE=angry jets fan;2426406]Earmark requests on the 2007 Budget

    Hillary: Over 340 Million
    Obama: Over 320 Million (I guess that is what he calls "change")
    McCain: Zero

    Nuff said![/QUOTE]

    Bush: 330 Million

    Sorry if we don't buy the fiscal conservative BS line ever again...

    You know what they say...fool me once, I'll never be fooled again.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2426441]Bush: 330 Million

    Sorry if we don't buy the fiscal conservative BS line ever again...

    You know what they say...fool me once, I'll never be fooled again.[/QUOTE]

    Fiscal conservative, my ass. He's anything but.

    Kind of funny that he falls right in between Obama and Hillary's numbers, isn't it?

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    Bush is an economic liberal in my opinion (Bush = Borrow and Spend; Democrats = Tax and Spend) ... and ... HE ISN'T ON THE BALLOT

    It will be McCain versus either Obama or Hillary

    [quote=PlumberKhan;2426441]Bush: 330 Million

    Sorry if we don't buy the fiscal conservative BS line ever again...

    You know what they say...fool me once, I'll never be fooled again.[/quote]

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    [QUOTE=sourceworx;2426450]Fiscal conservative, my ass. He's anything but.

    Kind of funny that he falls right in between Obama and Hillary's numbers, isn't it?[/QUOTE]

    What's really funny is that when you look at some of HIS earmarks...it's for the same sh*t he lambasted the Dems about the year before.

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