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    Experts: Spitzer's potential troubles may include prison

    [QUOTE]CNN) -- Legal experts expressed astonishment Tuesday over the reckless behavior attributed to New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer, but disagreed over whether his alleged liaisons with prostitutes should cause him to step down.

    Matt Kluger, a criminal defense lawyer in the Bronx, told CNN that prosecutors may have no choice but to bring charges if Spitzer fails to step aside.

    Though patronizing a prostitute is generally considered no more than a misdemeanor in New York, Spitzer's alleged payment for a woman to be transported across state lines -- from New York to Washington -- raises the ante, said Kluger, a Democrat.

    "It's stupid enough to patronize a prostitute in his position, but to turn it into a federal offense by being involved in the transportation ... is insane. It's more than wondering what he was thinking. He's a lawyer."

    Kluger said a possible resignation may be part of negotiations between Spitzer and prosecutors.

    "It's my guess that perhaps there'll be some backroom dealing where, if he steps down, they'll agree not to charge him. ... My guess is that the powers that be have decided that the embarrassment and stepping down is enough. Throwing criminal charges is adding insult to injury."

    But, Kluger said, "If he chooses to stay, I can't imagine they would let it go. These are very serious allegations." Take a closer look at Spitzer's career and background »

    The act concerns "knowingly transporting any individual, male or female, in interstate or foreign commerce or in any territory or possession of the United States for the purpose of prostitution or sexual activity which is a criminal offense under the federal or state statute or local ordinance."

    And the potential penalty could be doubled if coercion or enticement were involved, Kluger said.

    "One could make the argument that he did that, too," he said, citing Spitzer's alleged payment of the woman's travel expenses.

    Federal prosecutors might also consider charging Spitzer with conspiracy, Kluger said.

    "One can make the straight-faced argument that, because he was involved with this escort service, that he was a member of the conspiracy."

    The attorney said Spitzer would be foolish to try to represent himself against any such charges.

    "He should hire a lawyer who's well-versed in federal law, and not say anything -- that's the best thing he can do right now," Kluger said.

    And, if forced to decide between stepping aside or facing possible charges, Spitzer should do the former, Kluger recommended.

    "To me, staying out of prison is the number one concern, and staying in office is the number two concern."

    'Shell companies'

    Money-laundering charges also might be involved, depending on how the governor reported using the money, Kluger said.

    Spitzer spent more than $15,000 for several encounters with prostitutes, according to sources knowledgeable about the investigation.

    He appears to have shifted his own money among his bank accounts to pay the ring's organizers, raising suspicions at his bank, which filed a report with the IRS, sources with knowledge of the investigation said.

    An IRS investigation determined that the money had gone to "shell companies," which are often used in money laundering and other financial crimes.

    "If somebody transfers money to a fake company account knowing that it is a fake account, that person can be engaged in a money laundering conspiracy," said Scott Michel, a tax attorney in Washington.

    The possibility of money crimes "bumps up your guidelines," said a former federal prosecutor who now defends people charged with white-collar crimes, referring to the federal sentencing guidelines.

    "When you start throwing in the money crimes, potentially there's jail time."

    But Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz told CNN Tuesday that the whole matter has been blown out of proportion. Watch Dershowitz say Spitzer shouldn't quit »

    "This is private sexual misconduct," he said, citing Thomas Jefferson, John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson as examples of people who could "govern well during the day while acting as children and adolescents in the evening." See a timeline of recent political sex scandals »

    Dershowitz acknowledged that Spitzer -- his former law student -- stepped over the line, but said the remedy should be left to voters in the next election.

    He disputed allegations that the conduct allegedly carried out by the law-and-order governor was hypocritical.

    "Remember, the corruption he fought was mostly corruption with victims," he said. "People who were corrupting Wall Street, violent crimes, organized crimes. This is the personification of a victimless crime -- a 30-something-year-old prostitute making $5,000 an hour. That is not a victim."

    Dershowitz also said money-laundering statutes should not apply to Spitzer.

    "Money laundering is a statute designed to get organized crime," the academic said.

    James Tedisco, the minority leader in New York's state assembly, was unpersuaded by Dershowitz.

    "He sounds like an apologist for someone who has broken the law," said Tedisco, who has vowed to introduce articles of impeachment in the legislature within two days if Spitzer does not resign. Watch Tedisco say Spitzer should make up his mind immediately »


    "We don't need apologists right now, we need somebody to stand up and lead us and Eliot Spitzer is incapable of doing that right now," he said.

    In an interview with CNN, Tedisco said he was calling for the move based on "ethical reasons, on illegalities and on inappropriate decision-making, like we think the governor has made."
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    [url]http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/11/spitzer.legal.woes/[/url]

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    This leftwing media is brutal.

    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2427624][url]http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/11/spitzer.legal.woes/[/url][/QUOTE]

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    Actually, it's the corporate media that is brutal. The CORPORATE media.

    Funny how the GOP is running with the Spitzer story, yet the DC Madam story was squashed by a simple series of calls from the White House to ABC. And no one talks about that much wider-reaching perversion. Fortunately, that trial is imminent.

    More fortunately, the Wayne Madsden Report showed the sack to pick up where the corporate lapdogs bailed regarding that bombshell. Meanwhile, the independent WMR isn't facing much libel or slander resistance for [URL="http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/search?searchtext=madam"]their excellent work[/URL], even after naming Limp Dick Cheney as a client for Jeane Palfrey's little enterprise. WMR even named who it was that caved at ABC in the face of White House pressure.

    That trial begins this spring and should be fun. No doubt, however, the Bush White House has managed to muzzle most of the allegations against Tricky Dick, and Abramoff (you know, the guy Bush said he's "never met?")

    What's important to note, however, is that ABC washed the story out, showing complicity to WH wishes. Madam Palfrey had even given ABC reporter(s) call records naming quite a few names, including Cheney.

    Let's also not forget that one US Attorney was murdered (Jonathan Lune, unsolved) and another fired (Thomas DiBiagio) in the midst of that investigation. Both just happened to be working the DC Madam case.

    Vastly underreported, DiBagio's probe had linked Republican governor Ehrlich to Bob Ney, Tom DeLay, Duke Cunningham and others but the investigation died when he was fired.

    Ah yes. So good to have a Rethuglican Justice Department, isn't it?

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    Maybe the president will pardon him...

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    Yeah, wow, good thing that story never made it to the air on ABC.

    [url]http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/28/ross-white-house-madam/[/url]

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    [QUOTE=cr726;2427632]This leftwing media is brutal.[/QUOTE]

    How many of them pegged him as a Dimocrat? None, but they couldn't get enough of saying Craig was a Republican.

    Fuq the criminal liberal media....

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    [QUOTE=Press_Coverage;2427852]Actually, it's the corporate media that is brutal. The CORPORATE media.

    Funny how the GOP is running with the Spitzer story, yet the DC Madam story was squashed by a simple series of calls from the White House to ABC. And no one talks about that much wider-reaching perversion. Fortunately, that trial is imminent.

    More fortunately, the Wayne Madsden Report showed the sack to pick up where the corporate lapdogs bailed regarding that bombshell. Meanwhile, the independent WMR isn't facing much libel or slander resistance for [URL="http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/search?searchtext=madam"]their excellent work[/URL], even after naming Limp Dick Cheney as a client for Jeane Palfrey's little enterprise. WMR even named who it was that caved at ABC in the face of White House pressure.

    That trial begins this spring and should be fun. No doubt, however, the Bush White House has managed to muzzle most of the allegations against Tricky Dick, and Abramoff (you know, the guy Bush said he's "never met?")

    What's important to note, however, is that ABC washed the story out, showing complicity to WH wishes. Madam Palfrey had even given ABC reporter(s) call records naming quite a few names, including Cheney.

    Let's also not forget that one US Attorney was murdered (Jonathan Lune, unsolved) and another fired (Thomas DiBiagio) in the midst of that investigation. Both just happened to be working the DC Madam case.

    Vastly underreported, DiBagio's probe had linked Republican governor Ehrlich to Bob Ney, Tom DeLay, Duke Cunningham and others but the investigation died when he was fired.

    Ah yes. So good to have a Rethuglican Justice Department, isn't it?[/QUOTE]

    the usual garbage, strawman arguements from Rosie O'donnell....


    of course it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.....good to see your delusions never change...

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    [QUOTE=shakin318;2428064]Yeah, wow, good thing that story never made it to the air on ABC.

    [url]http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/28/ross-white-house-madam/[/url][/QUOTE]

    press coverage gets b!tchslapped as usual...:O

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2428253]the usual garbage, strawman arguements from Rosie O'donnell....


    of course it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.....good to see your delusions never change...[/QUOTE]

    Actually, it has a lot to do with it. Including typical GOP hypocrisy, stonewalling, and interference with the media. Everything.

    IMO, sexual impropriety is much, much more rampant on your repressed Con man side of things. So when you're done giggling about your governor, I'll let you get back to pretending the DC Madam doesn't have your heros' fetish list in her black book.

    I'll bet it's toilet training games for Limp Dick Cheney.

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    [QUOTE=shakin318;2428064]Yeah, wow, good thing that story never made it to the air on ABC.

    [url]http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/28/ross-white-house-madam/[/url][/QUOTE]

    You just proved my point. They had it, acknowledged they had it, and never followed it through after that point. You'll notice the report went away, and the scheduled May 4 televised interview with Madam ball buster never happened.

    Thanks for doing my work for me. And it's good of you to have ThinkProgress on your favorites list.

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    one of the better outcomes of the entire Sptizer affair is it further proves how full of sh!t dopes like yourself who hallucinate on conspiracy are....as evidenced by the post below.....

    [QUOTE=Press_Coverage;2428969]Actually, it has a lot to do with it. Including typical GOP hypocrisy, stonewalling, and interference with the media. Everything.

    IMO, sexual impropriety is much, much more rampant on your repressed Con man side of things. So when you're done giggling about your governor, I'll let you get back to pretending the DC Madam doesn't have your heros' fetish list in her black book.

    I'll bet it's toilet training games for Limp Dick Cheney.[/QUOTE]

    yeh- the GOP stonewalled, interfered with investigations, killed paul wellstone, had a hand in 9-11- yet all you back it up with are your psychotic delusions....not a single piece of hard evidence...

    yet a simple money transfer and some text messages brought down spitzer in an instant....

    then again were it not for conspiracy how would rat-wing/anarchists like you justify your pathetic existence or troll from forum to forum??

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2429097]one of the better outcomes of the entire Sptizer affair is it further proves how full of sh!t dopes like yourself who hallucinate on conspiracy are....as evidenced by the post below.....[/quote]

    Actually, I'm very selective regarding what conspiracy theories I subscribe to. I usually look at the evidence, the history of unethical behavior, and the public record. Unlike you, who forms your conspiracy theories based on feeling and selective reasoning (see "liberal media" paranoia)...

    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2429097]yeh- the GOP stonewalled, interfered with investigations, killed paul wellstone, had a hand in 9-11- yet all you back it up with are your psychotic delusions....not a single piece of hard evidence...[/quote]

    Well, it's well-known that the White House squashed ABC's story regarding the DC Madam's phone list. Do a little work for once in your posting life, and look it up.

    As for Wellstone and 9/11, and your lie that I haven't provided evidence, I believe I've backed both up with an abundance of undeniable fact and hard evidence that an investigation is warranted. Such would be the view of any competent law officer. Your outrage that those topics are even dared to be mentioned is the only "psychotic delusion" going on here. Might wanna take your ritalin, Anne.

    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2429097]then again were it not for conspiracy how would rat-wing/anarchists like you justify your pathetic existence or troll from forum to forum??[/QUOTE]

    Keep drinking the Cheney mixed Kool-Aid. We're all quite certain your heroes in office are squeaky clean. :rolleyes:

    Anyhow, fascist, I've noticed you've been wise to avoid me here for a few weeks now. Everyone's aware just how desperate people like you are to suppress the mere mention of truth regarding the most corrupt administration in U.S. history. Unfortunately for your hopes, you're not doing a very good job by putting 100% of your effort into creating an image of me that doesn't exist. You might want to actually roll up your sleeves and tackle the evidence presented. Because so far, in my 5-6 weeks here, your game strategy is futile and your insults and self-congratulations are completely ineffectual. In an attempt to demonize me, you've only exposed yourself as the profoundly limited poster you are.

    You should just punt and block me to protect yourself.

    Run along now, little unaccountable urinating vandal.
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    If this area weren't so infested with pro-terrorist, anarchist-loving, race-baiting liberals, elliot spritzer would have to be careful not to drop his soap for the next couple of years...

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    [QUOTE=Press_Coverage;2429311]Actually, I'm very selective regarding what conspiracy theories I subscribe to. I usually look at the evidence, the history of unethical behavior, and the public record. Unlike you, who forms your conspiracy theories based on feeling and selective reasoning (see "liberal media" paranoia)...[/QUOTE]

    of course you are selective....anything from the far left that feeds your pyschotic delusions fits your selective category...

    [QUOTE]Well, it's well-known that the White House squashed ABC's story regarding the DC Madam's phone list. Do a little work for once in your posting life, and look it up.[/QUOTE]

    sure it's well-known the WH squashed it...I mean why would the NYSlimes or the Guardian, leftist media sources which constantly divulge classified information with the expressed purpose of embarrassing the WH, be interested in following up a non-existent story such as this??? This comment just adds more validity of your psychotic delusions...

    [QUOTE]As for Wellstone and 9/11, and your lie that I haven't provided evidence, I believe I've backed both up with an abundance of undeniable fact and hard evidence that an investigation is warranted. Such would be the view of any competent law officer. Your outrage that those topics are even dared to be mentioned is the only "psychotic delusion" going on here. Might wanna take your ritalin, Anne.

    Keep drinking the Cheney mixed Kool-Aid. We're all quite certain your heroes in office are squeaky clean. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    I forgot....rosie the angry lesbian here offered proof in the form of a youtube video courtesy of his/her hero uncle fetzer....of course when challenged to back up the claim that John Ashcroft halted an investigation into the delusion that welstone was murdered, as usual rosie here came up empty...the only lie he is rosie actually thinks he makes any sense…

    [QUOTE]Anyhow, fascist, I've noticed you've been wise to avoid me here for a few weeks now. Everyone's aware just how desperate people like you are to suppress the mere mention of truth regarding the most corrupt administration in U.S. history. Unfortunately for your hopes, you're not doing a very good job by putting 100% of your effort into creating an image of me that doesn't exist. You might want to actually roll up your sleeves and tackle the evidence presented. Because so far, in my 5-6 weeks here, your game strategy is futile and your insults and self-congratulations are completely ineffectual. In an attempt to demonize me, you've only exposed yourself as the profoundly limited poster you are.

    You should just punt and block me to protect yourself.

    Run along now, little unaccountable urinating vandal.[/QUOTE]

    "avoided you".....quite telling how you chart and miss my responses...

    sorry to disappoint you but I don't have time to chase delusional sc^mbag trolls like you around on an internet forum.....granted I understand your need to get into pissing contests with me- it gives you validation on this forum which you so desperately seek, as proven in the past...I'm sure you'll start to whine like a little b!tch as you usually do about the harsh language....

    of course almost a half dozen posts into this thread and you've yet to address the topic at hand...not unusual for a programmed leftist like yourself who relies on others to do your thinking...

    don't you have a basketball game to cover tonight?? or is that just another one of your psychotic delusions rosie the sports columnist???

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2429429]of course you are selective....anything from the far left that feeds your pyschotic delusions fits your selective category...



    sure it's well-known the WH squashed it...[B]I mean why would the NYSlimes or the Guardian, leftist media sources which constantly divulge classified information with the expressed purpose of embarrassing the WH, be interested in following up a non-existent story such as this??? [/B]This comment just adds more validity of your psychotic delusions...

    [/QUOTE]

    ironic.....as I posted this the NYSlimes just released pictures and the name of the whore il duetsche spent $10,000's on to play hide the salami with....

    yet they refused to follow up on stories about dick cheney's alleged prostitutes....:rolleyes: (or so say the little voices in the empty head of press coverage....:yes:)

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    The Slimes, no way should they be covering this. Spitzer is a Democrat. According to you they would never ever cover such a thing.

    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2429489]ironic.....as I posted this the NYSlimes just released pictures and the name of the whore il duetsche spent $10,000's on to play hide the salami with....

    yet they refused to follow up on stories about dick cheney's alleged prostitutes....:rolleyes: (or so say the little voices in the empty head of press coverage....:yes:)[/QUOTE]

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    these cbny-pc interactions are classic.

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    [QUOTE=Press_Coverage;2427852]Actually, it's the corporate media that is brutal. The CORPORATE media.

    Funny how the GOP is running with the Spitzer story, yet the DC Madam story was squashed by a simple series of calls from the White House to ABC. And no one talks about that much wider-reaching perversion. Fortunately, that trial is imminent.

    More fortunately, the Wayne Madsden Report showed the sack to pick up where the corporate lapdogs bailed regarding that bombshell. Meanwhile, the independent WMR isn't facing much libel or slander resistance for [URL="http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/search?searchtext=madam"]their excellent work[/URL], even after naming Limp Dick Cheney as a client for Jeane Palfrey's little enterprise. WMR even named who it was that caved at ABC in the face of White House pressure.

    That trial begins this spring and should be fun. No doubt, however, the Bush White House has managed to muzzle most of the allegations against Tricky Dick, and Abramoff (you know, the guy Bush said he's "never met?")

    What's important to note, however, is that ABC washed the story out, showing complicity to WH wishes. Madam Palfrey had even given ABC reporter(s) call records naming quite a few names, including Cheney.

    Let's also not forget that one US Attorney was murdered (Jonathan Lune, unsolved) and another fired (Thomas DiBiagio) in the midst of that investigation. Both just happened to be working the DC Madam case.

    Vastly underreported, DiBagio's probe had linked Republican governor Ehrlich to Bob Ney, Tom DeLay, Duke Cunningham and others but the investigation died when he was fired.

    Ah yes. So good to have a Rethuglican Justice Department, isn't it?[/QUOTE]

    Excellent post Press Coverage. Who knows with a little bit of luck the Spitz could land Larry "the airport toe tapper" Craig as a cellmate ! ;)

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2429429]of course you are selective....[/quote]

    Yup. You should try it some time, rather than subscribe to every Limbaugh-like talking point that you bloviate here.

    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2429429]anything from the far left that feeds your pyschotic delusions fits your selective category...[/quote]

    Would you like for me to list the conspiracy theories I [B]don't [/B]subscribe to that are unflattering to the Grand Ole'wizard Party, or shall I just leave you to make up things as it fits you?

    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2429429]sure it's well-known the WH squashed it...I mean why would the NYSlimes or the Guardian, leftist media sources which constantly divulge classified information with the expressed purpose of embarrassing the WH, be interested in following up a non-existent story such as this??? This comment just adds more validity of your psychotic delusions...[/quote]

    Mainly because they're NOT leftist media sources at all, and have been, in fact, quite complicit. But also, was the New York Times just supposed to pick up the specifics of a story that ABC dropped, even though it didn't have the list or the source? It's called an "exclusive," moron. Think a little.

    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2429429]I forgot....rosie the angry lesbian here offered proof in the form of a youtube video courtesy of his/her hero uncle fetzer....of course when challenged to back up the claim that John Ashcroft halted an investigation into the delusion that welstone was murdered, as usual rosie here came up empty...the only lie he is rosie actually thinks he makes any sense…[/quote]

    Just look at you, re-writing forum history. What an unrivalled liar. You know quite well that I provided a lot more than the Fetzer video, even though Fetzer's excellent speech summed up the need for a criminal investigation rather thoroughly. I have little doubt you didn't watch a minute of the ex-Marine's case, yet you'll puke at the keyboard about what the man knows and doesn't know.

    As for [URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=woLQI8X2R6Y"][COLOR="Blue"]Ashcroft[/COLOR][/URL], and your "challenge," I never saw it. If I did see it, I would have told you that the NTSB yields to the Attorny General, and it's [URL="http://www.ntsb.gov/Abt_NTSB/invest.htm"]completely up to the Attorney General[/URL] to initiate a criminal investigation when reasonable circumstances are indicate such in a plane crash. That would be John Ashcroft, and considering means, motive and opportunity were beyond debate, it most certainly was reasonable.

    Rest assured, however, I'll never be running from a "challenge" put forth by goofy you.


    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2429429]"avoided you".....quite telling how you chart and miss my responses...[

    sorry to disappoint you but I don't have time to chase delusional sc^mbag trolls like you around on an internet forum.....granted I understand your need to get into pissing contests with me- it gives you validation on this forum which you so desperately seek, as proven in the past...I'm sure you'll start to whine like a little b!tch as you usually do about the harsh language....

    of course almost a half dozen posts into this thread and you've yet to address the topic at hand...not unusual for a programmed leftist like yourself who relies on others to do your thinking...

    don't you have a basketball game to cover tonight?? or is that just another one of your psychotic delusions rosie the sports columnist???[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=Press_Coverage;2427852]Actually, it's the corporate media that is brutal. The CORPORATE media.

    Funny how the GOP is running with the Spitzer story, yet the DC Madam story was squashed by a simple series of calls from the White House to ABC. And no one talks about that much wider-reaching perversion. Fortunately, that trial is imminent.

    More fortunately, the Wayne Madsden Report showed the sack to pick up where the corporate lapdogs bailed regarding that bombshell. Meanwhile, the independent WMR isn't facing much libel or slander resistance for [URL="http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/search?searchtext=madam"]their excellent work[/URL], even after naming Limp Dick Cheney as a client for Jeane Palfrey's little enterprise. WMR even named who it was that caved at ABC in the face of White House pressure.

    That trial begins this spring and should be fun. No doubt, however, the Bush White House has managed to muzzle most of the allegations against Tricky Dick, and Abramoff (you know, the guy Bush said he's "never met?")

    What's important to note, however, is that ABC washed the story out, showing complicity to WH wishes. Madam Palfrey had even given ABC reporter(s) call records naming quite a few names, including Cheney.

    Let's also not forget that one US Attorney was murdered (Jonathan Lune, unsolved) and another fired (Thomas DiBiagio) in the midst of that investigation. Both just happened to be working the DC Madam case.

    Vastly underreported, DiBagio's probe had linked Republican governor Ehrlich to Bob Ney, Tom DeLay, Duke Cunningham and others but the investigation died when he was fired.

    Ah yes. So good to have a Rethuglican Justice Department, isn't it?[/QUOTE]

    Excellent post.

    The corruption in our government, repubs and dems, makes me ill. Yet [B]Come Back to Earth[/B] would have us think that its all on the Democrats' side. As if people like Vitter and Larry Craig just don't exist :zzz::zzz:

    As far as Cheney, he is repulsive. He has come to define everything that was/is wrong about the Bush Administration. Its funny, about two years ago Cheney felt the need to tell the press that he will not be running for President in 2008. Really? But his approval ratings are so good (what are they in the 20's?) I can't see why he won't run:eek: I think [B]Come Back to Earth[/B] would have a better chance to win the election running from his Fascist Party.

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