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    Harvard Study: Antiwar reporting helping Iraqi Insurgents

    [url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337656,00.html[/url]

    Insurgents in Iraq get a boost from coverage in the news media that shows support for troop withdrawals from the war torn country, according to a study.

    Two Harvard University economists found that insurgent groups are responsive to "antiresolve" statements in the media.

    "It shows that the various insurgent groups do respond to incentives and shows that a successful counter insurgency strategy should take that reality into account," Jonathan Monten, a co-author of the study and a postdoctoral fellow at Harvard's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, told US News and World Report.

    Insurgent attacks increased between 7 and 10 percent immediately after a spike in "antiresolve" statements in the media, according to the findings.

    The study was published by the National Bureau of Economic Research. Baghdad was excluded from the study and it did not review overall cost and public debate.

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    [B][url]http://www[/url].[SIZE="5"]foxnews.com[/SIZE]/story/0,2933,337656,00.html[/B]

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    Gosh, why wouldn't Baghdad be included in the survey? one-third of the nation's total population?

    but also, what would a research group that focuses on US economics know about the state of mind of the average Iraqi insurgent? two Harvard economists, no less? Compelling.

    Anyone could do themselves a favor by Googling Harvard Endowment and DynCorp, and spend a few minutes absorbing the first page alone. Add a little flavor with a touch of Enron to the search. Great stuff.

    Just look at the state propaganda network running to daylight with this 'study', too.

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    too many variables in this experiment. come on harvard boys this is trash

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    BREAKING NEWS!!

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    [QUOTE]A study shows a spike in insurgent activity immedietly following reruns of the "King of Queens" on WPIX. Kevin James is seen by terrorists as some sort of fat, Jet fan icon who rallies their cause. Perhaps it is the fact that he is portrayed as subordinate to his wife and aging, cantankerous father-in-law or the fact that a black man with a christian religious postion name, "Deacon", is shown to be an equal to him.

    Whatever the reasons are, Kevin James and WPIX have the blood of American soldiers on their hands..and their hands alone.[/QUOTE]

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    come on man....this is propaganda.....I'm sure these "anti-war folk" don't help the insurgents either...

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;2431801][B][url]http://www[/url].[SIZE="2"]foxnews.com[/SIZE]/story/0,2933,337656,00.html[/B][/QUOTE]

    damn neo-conservative harvard economists....must be paid off by exxonmobile....:yes:

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2432005]damn neo-conservative harvard economists....must be paid off by exxonmobile....:yes:[/QUOTE]

    Because Fox News is fair and balanced :zzz::zzz:

    I forgot, its the protestors who are anti-American, not the people who knowingly brought the country into war on false pretenses.

    You are a tool.

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    I guess the only solution is to ammend the consitution and throw out the first ammendment. Right Bush supporters?

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;2431801][B][url]http://www[/url].[SIZE="5"]foxnews.com[/SIZE]/story/0,2933,337656,00.html[/B][/QUOTE]

    [SIZE="6"]Harvard[/SIZE]

    :zzz::zzz::zzz:

    ;)

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    [QUOTE=jetstream23;2432277][SIZE="6"]Harvard[/SIZE]

    :zzz::zzz::zzz:

    ;)[/QUOTE]


    try and realize JS your are attempting to rationalize with someone who posts garbage from the likes of david corn, thinkprogress and Greg "jayson blair" Mitchell as believes in his lunatic mind it is unbiased and truthful.....the fact this was a study done by Harvard economists means nothing...

    there are trigger words and names which set off the insane minds of lunatics like [B]ignorantjetsfan[/B] and forces them into involuntary convulsions and spasm attacks.....

    words/names like [B]Fox news[/B] and [B]karl rove[/B] and [B]judith miller[/B] and [B]exxonmobile[/B] and [B]haliburton[/B] and [B]blackwater[/B] and [B]vietnam[/B]....

    they'll be frothing at the mouth when they read this post....you can bet on it...;)

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2432284]try and realize JS your are attempting to rationalize with someone who posts garbage from the likes of david corn, thinkprogress and Greg "jayson blair" Mitchell as believes in his lunatic mind it is unbiased and truthful.....the fact this was a study done by Harvard economists means nothing...

    there are trigger words and names which set off the insane minds of lunatics like [B]ignorantjetsfan[/B] and forces them into involuntary convulsions and spasm attacks.....

    words/names like [B]Fox news[/B] and [B]karl rove[/B] and [B]judith miller[/B] and [B]exxonmobile[/B] and [B]haliburton[/B] and [B]blackwater[/B] and [B]vietnam[/B]....

    they'll be frothing at the mouth when they read this post....you can bet on it...;)[/QUOTE]


    Try to understand when you have a mouth piece like [B]Come Back to Earth [/B]there is no logic. This is a moron that believes climate change is not happening....and uses sources from ExxonMobile to back up his claim.

    This is a tool that trashes respected sites like Newsweek as being liberal, only to use their stories to defend his position on issues

    This is someone that worships a president who did not even run the country in his second term. His wife was using psychics to make national decisions

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    see what I mean JS....it was only a matter of minutes before the involuntary coniptions took their course....

    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;2432294]Try to understand when you have a mouth piece like [B]Come Back to Earth [/B]there is no logic. This is a moron that believes climate change is not happening....and uses sources from ExxonMobile to back up his claim.

    This is a tool that trashes respected sites like Newsweek as being liberal, only to use their stories to defend his position on issues

    This is someone that worships a president who did not even run the country in his second term. His wife was using psychics to make national decisions[/QUOTE]

    it's really not their fault though- once the medication runs out it's game over...

    the psychosis then kicks in and they start to refer to places like Newsweak, a bogus media outlet who concocted a story that the CIA was flushing korans down the toliet and got called out on it after the BS story started a riot and hundreds were killed, as "respected sites"...

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    We should get past the Harvard/Fox debate and look at the substance. The substance of it is this -- this was a study done by 2 guys. Regardless of their pedigree you have to take into account that they truly do not have the necessary means (as 2 individuals) to backup their studies or to ensure the accuracy of all their statistics. As well -- how many muslim insurgents do you think watches English American News Media outlets? Do you really think a muslim who just lost his family due to american imperialism would be sitting down during the afternoons and watching ABC/NBC/MSNBC/or any other american cooroporation which they associate to be evil?

    As well -- if anyone read the study/the subsequent links they would realize that a certain conclusion of the study * was "for some reason for another ;)" not mentioned in the foxnews report.

    As well -- assuming that their studies are correct and that muslims are basing everything around our media (which I'm sure they aren't -- implicitly it is implied that this isn't in reference to American media/ however arab media). Do you really thing the insurgents are subscribing to Direct TV? Come on people -- this is just more propaganda to distract you from the real issues at hand.

    * After clicking subsequent links from the foxnews article I came across this -- "It was not possible, from the data available, to determine whether insurgent groups increased the overall number of attacks against American and Iraqi targets in the wake of public dissent and debate or simply changed the timing of those attacks. This means that insurgents may not be increasing the number of attacks after all but simply changing the days on which they attack in response to media reports."

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    All I did was post an article. Didn't expect someone to shoot the messenger or the news source....but maybe I should have. Haven't seen anyone dispute the study by the guys from Harvard, just saw a highlight of [B]FoxNews[/B] as if that's supposed to mean something.

    If I posted the link from CNN would that help? Does it change anything?

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    [QUOTE=alexgutterson;2432347][B]We should get past the Harvard/Fox debate and look at the substance.[/B] The substance of it is this -- this was a study done by 2 guys. Regardless of their pedigree you have to take into account that they truly do not have the necessary means (as 2 individuals) to backup their studies or to ensure the accuracy of all their statistics. As well -- how many muslim insurgents do you think watches English American News Media outlets? Do you really think a muslim who just lost his family due to american imperialism would be sitting down during the afternoons and watching ABC/NBC/MSNBC/or any other american cooroporation which they associate to be evil?

    As well -- if anyone read the study/the subsequent links they would realize that a certain conclusion of the study * was "for some reason for another ;)" not mentioned in the foxnews report.

    As well -- assuming that their studies are correct and that muslims are basing everything around our media (which I'm sure they aren't -- implicitly it is implied that this isn't in reference to American media/ however arab media). Do you really thing the insurgents are subscribing to Direct TV? Come on people -- this is just more propaganda to distract you from the real issues at hand.

    * After clicking subsequent links from the foxnews article I came across this -- "It was not possible, from the data available, to determine whether insurgent groups increased the overall number of attacks against American and Iraqi targets in the wake of public dissent and debate or simply changed the timing of those attacks. This means that insurgents may not be increasing the number of attacks after all but simply changing the days on which they attack in response to media reports."[/QUOTE]

    Thank you.

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    [QUOTE=jetstream23;2432357]All I did was post an article. Didn't expect someone to shoot the messenger or the news source....but maybe I should have. Haven't seen anyone dispute the study by the guys from Harvard, just saw a highlight of [B]FoxNews[/B] as if that's supposed to mean something.

    If I posted the link from CNN would that help? Does it change anything?[/QUOTE]

    no...the only sources which count are david corn, thinkprogress, Greg "jayson blair" Mitchell, newsweak and motherjones....get with the program dammit!!!

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2432362]no...the only sources which count are david corn, thinkprogress, Greg "jayson blair" Mitchell, newsweak and motherjones....get with the program dammit!!![/QUOTE]

    LOL. Wow, you guys are pretty fringe and hardcore around here.

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    Frankly, I don't give a sh*t about what Harvard has to say. That school has reeked of socialist BS since around 1905.

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    So what conclusion am I supposed to draw from the Harvard "study?"

    1. The failure of the war in Iraq is really MY fault?

    2. Free speech should be severely constrained during any conflict?

    3. The media can actually win the war and solve world problems if it becomes more "strategic?"

    4. Insurgents spend a lot of time tracking media sound-bites to determine when and where to attack?

    5. The data is all an unfortunate coincidence that really means nothing at all and is a waste of professorial resources?

    :rolleyes:

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