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    Lupica: In ARod We Trust

    Yankees: In A-Rod we trust
    Sunday, March 23rd 2008, 4:00 AM


    Willens/AP

    Alex Rodriguez
    The Red Sox start things off in Japan this week, start things off with some pitching questions of their own, because Josh Beckett has a bad back and Curt Schilling may never pitch again. And the guy who pitches the second game of the season against the A's in Japan - Jon Lester - would fit right in with some of the kids the Yankees get behind in their own rotation this season.

    The Red Sox are still the team to beat, and not just because they have now won two World Series out of the last four.

    They have spent better than the Yankees, though not nearly as much, and have been run better. When they won Game 4 against the Rockies last October - the night Alex Rodriguez opted out - they didn't just have big money on the field, they had four products of their farm system: Lester starting, Jonathan Papelbon closing, Dustin Pedroia at second, a streak of light named Jaboby Ellsbury in the outfield.

    If it had been a DH game in the series, Kevin Youkilis would have been farm system product No. 5.
    Funny how they don't find the need to endlessly brag about the "homegrown angle" as some teams do.


    The people who own the Red Sox now came in with the right attitude, which was this: You can't win the past from the Yankees, because the Yankees already won it. They wanted to start a new fight, a new fashioning of the rivalry, one that is now the closest to what the Dodgers and Giants had in New York once. And for now they are winning it.

    And they are doing this in an era that was supposed to belong to the Yankees, especially since they made the trade for Alex Rodriguez in February of 2004.

    Remember, the Yankees did that at the end of the baseball winter in which the Red Sox had tried to move heaven and Fenway Park to get Rodriguez to Fenway.

    Then the Players Association wouldn't allow Rodriguez to knock value off his contract to do it - they didn't want him to set a precedent, presumably for all the $252 million ballplayers to come - and then Aaron Boone tore up his knee playing basketball. Before you knew it, A-Rod was agreeing to play third next to Jeter.

    And if somebody had told you his first day in New York that all this time later the Yankees would not only not have won a World Series in the years since but not even played in one, well, how hard would you have laughed?

    So the season that begins this week is the latest to make Yankee fans wonder just how much baseball history changed - and for how long - when Aaron Boone (hero of Game 7 in '03 against the Red Sox, when the stars were still aligned the way Yankee fans thought they always would be) decided to shoot some hoops that day.



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    It has been stated before and can be stated again that Rodriguez has become the face of the Yankees now. Not Jeter, not Posada, not penitent Andy Pettitte, not the great Mo Rivera. It is Rodriguez, to whom the Yankees and their fortunes are now permanently tethered, for better or for worse.

    So the real question, and it is a good one, becomes this for the Yankees, now and into the future:

    Will Alex Rodriguez break the all-time home run record before he wins a World Series wearing a Yankee uniform?

    The Yankees have become a bigger financial success than ever under Rodriguez, remained as big a regular-season success as ever. Down the road the Yankees think they can make more off the guy if and when he starts to close in on Barry Bonds. So even though the guy walked away from them during Game 4 of the last World Series, they brought him back and gave him what will eventually be a $300 million contract.

    Acted as if A-Rod were the one with the leverage when in fact the Yankees had it all.

    Obviously, he is not the only reason the Yankees have become the kind of postseason failures they have been since Game 4 of the '04 ALCS. And yet: How many times since then could one big hit from him - followed by a week-long rip - have changed everything?

    What if he had continued to produce the kind of swings he gave the Yankees in his first division series against the Twins? What if he had produced, even occasionally, the kind of big-moment swings David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez have produced for the Red Sox in their two World Series runs?

    The Yankee Stadium they will enter in '09 is The House That A-Rod Helped Build. Once more we find out - come October, anyway - if they can build a winner around him.

    If they make it to October, that is.

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    Why would anyone ever link a Lupica article?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan View Post
    Why would anyone ever link a Lupica article?
    QFT

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    Love him or hate him, Lupica always states the Yankee situation straight up.
    Sure it's not all Yankee'd up as some of the usual suspects would prefer but it is straight forward.

    I didn't realize the Sox had all that home grown talent "actually contributing" in the post season without all the hype we see from other fanbases and ownership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad101 View Post
    Love him or hate him, Lupica always states the Yankee situation straight up.
    Sure it's not all Yankee'd up as some of the usual suspects would prefer but it is straight forward.

    I didn't realize the Sox had all that home grown talent "actually contributing" in the post season without all the hype we see from other fanbases and ownership.
    That is almost laughable. Lupica is a bigger Mets homer and Yankee hater than you are.

    Did you see his article about the Yankees outfield being so old? Haha, even though the average age of the Mets is older by 3 years, I'm also sure you seen him mention how big the Yankees payroll is, he's mentioned 2,445 times over the years.

    By the way, I'm still waiting for one negative word about the Mets collapse in relation to their payroll.

    That guy is a joke, there is no bigger hypocrite in all of sports media. You just don't see it because you eat up every word he says.
    Last edited by Tyler Durden; 03-23-2008 at 04:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Ryan View Post
    That is almost laughable. Lupica is a bigger Mets homer and Yankee hater than you are.

    Did you see his article about the Yankees outfield being so old? Haha, even though the average age of the Mets is older by 3 years, I'm also sure you seen him mention how big the Yankees payroll is, he's mentioned 2,445 times over the years.

    By the way, I'm still waiting for one negative word about the Mets collapse in relation to their payroll.

    That guy is a joke, there is no bigger hypocrite in all of sports media. You just don't see it because you eat up every word he says.
    His article for the most part is all true. As for eating up words, I'm not the guy who came away with his Dad thinking Clemens told the truth on 60 minutes. Talk about hypocrites.

    Concerning payroll, the discrepancy between the Mets and their NL opponents is nowhere near what the Yanks have held in the AL for a decade now.

    Met fans admit the team collapsed last season while '"certain" Yank fans chalk up division round dismissals to catching a hot team at the wrong time.

    Met fans also don't "hate" the Yanks....we hate a certain portion of their pompous fanbase.
    Last edited by chad101; 03-23-2008 at 06:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad101 View Post
    His article for the most part is all true. As for eating up words, I'm not the guy who came away with his Dad thinking Clemens told the truth on 60 minutes. Talk about hypocrites.

    Concerning payroll, the discrepancy between the Mets and their NL opponents is nowhere near what the Yanks have held in the AL for a decade now.

    Met fans admit the team collapsed last season while '"certain" Yank fans chalk up division round dismissals to catching a hot team at the wrong time.

    Met fans also don't "hate" the Yanks....we hate a certain portion of their pompous fanbase.
    Unfortunately for me and my father, we don't get paid to write down our opinions, and what our opinion at the time of Clemens 60 minute interview has to do with hypocrisy, I don't know... you are reaching sir, but you are a bit to short. In regards to eating up Clemens words, Lupica has been full of sh*t years before Clemens. Also why are you talking about what you feel about Yankees or there fans? Who the hell was talking about that?

    Lupica is the Sean Hannity of sports writing.....trash
    Last edited by Tyler Durden; 03-23-2008 at 06:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad101 View Post
    I didn't realize the Sox had all that home grown talent "actually contributing" in the post season without all the hype we see from other fanbases and ownership.
    Define "all that home grown talent 'actually contributing'"

    Sure, they had a full season of Papelbon, Pedroia and Youkilis, but Youk was freaking terrible in the 2nd half (ops+of 95), Lester gave them a whopping 63 innings of league average pitching, and Ellsbury played in a whopping 33 games. And that's the best they can come up with?

    The Yankees had Jeter, Posada, Melky, Cano, Wang, Rivera, Phillips/Duncan, and Pettitte, and thats not even counting Joba, Hughes, and IPK, and the scores of relievers/crappy 5th starters culled from their minors. So what? Big freaking deal, the Sox had 5 players contribute!!!

    What this article is really about is Lupica's deep deep hatred for A-Rod and serious anti-Yankees bias. I love how he ignores that the Sox had the 2nd highest payroll (world's above #3) and gave massive, massive contracts to JD Drew and Julio Lugo. But that's ok, because they both played up to their level. Oh, wait...

    But even more so, what is his point in the end, that A-Rod can't play in October? Get over it Lupica, that is so last year...What a tool you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDJETS View Post
    Define "all that home grown talent 'actually contributing'"

    Sure, they had a full season of Papelbon, Pedroia and Youkilis, but Youk was freaking terrible in the 2nd half (ops+of 95), Lester gave them a whopping 63 innings of league average pitching, and Ellsbury played in a whopping 33 games. And that's the best they can come up with?

    The Yankees had Jeter, Posada, Melky, Cano, Wang, Rivera, Phillips/Duncan, and Pettitte, and thats not even counting Joba, Hughes, and IPK, and the scores of relievers/crappy 5th starters culled from their minors. So what? Big freaking deal, the Sox had 5 players contribute!!!

    What this article is really about is Lupica's deep deep hatred for A-Rod and serious anti-Yankees bias. I love how he ignores that the Sox had the 2nd highest payroll (world's above #3) and gave massive, massive contracts to JD Drew and Julio Lugo. But that's ok, because they both played up to their level. Oh, wait...

    But even more so, what is his point in the end, that A-Rod can't play in October? Get over it Lupica, that is so last year...What a tool you are.
    Nevermind that if you add the $50 million they spent to talk to Dice K, their payroll was actually higher than the Yankees last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klecko73isGod View Post
    Nevermind that if you add the $50 million they spent to talk to Dice K, their payroll was actually higher than the Yankees last year.
    To be fair the Yankees wasted $26 million to talk to that waste of space Kei Igawa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Ryan View Post
    To be fair the Yankees wasted $26 million to talk to that waste of space Kei Igawa.
    So, the Yanks wind up spending 10 million more than the Sux?

    The point is, Red Sox fans have yet to come to grips with the fact that their team is just as, if not more guilty of what they constantly accuse the Yankees of - buying championships.

    A lot of the Yankees payroll is tied up in homegrown talent that has earned huge contracts. A lot moreso than the Red Sox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klecko73isGod View Post
    So, the Yanks wind up spending 10 million more than the Sux?

    The point is, Red Sox fans have yet to come to grips with the fact that their team is just as, if not more guilty of what they constantly accuse the Yankees of - buying championships.

    A lot of the Yankees payroll is tied up in homegrown talent that has earned huge contracts. A lot moreso than the Red Sox.
    Good point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Ryan View Post
    To be fair the Yankees wasted $26 million to talk to that waste of space Kei Igawa.
    Let's not forget the Clemens contract although he was such a positive influence on the kids. You know showing them how "hard work" and doing things the "right way" will breed success.

    As for SDJETS comments on contribution,Youk hit 500 with 3 HR's in the critical Cleveland series last postseason which my statement was about....post season contribution.
    Lester also pitched 5+ shutout innings of WS baseball while Ellsbury hit .360 and Pedroia had 2 HR's and 10 RBI's in the post season.

    The majority of the Yanks high contracts were on players(Giambi, ARod, Randy, Brown, Abreu, Damon and Clemens the last go round )who have not brought home anything. Comparing that to the Sox spending which when mixed with young homegrown talent t has already produced 2 rings since 04 is crazy.
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    Look at the Yankees team coming up this year, you don't think there is homegrown talent there? Look at all the huge $$ coming off the books after this season. Then Yanks will easily have 30 million less in payroll next year, and have a better team.

    By 2009 the Yanks will have one of the top staffs in baseball, and it will be homegrown, as well as their SS, 2B, catcher, CF, LF (if Matsui counts) with more positional guys on the way.

    The Mets haven't tried to buy players to win games? Pedro, Johan, Wagner, Delgado, Alou and Beltran were all homegrown?

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    I wipe my a** with Lupica's articles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad101 View Post
    As for SDJETS comments on contribution,Youk hit 500 with 3 HR's in the critical Cleveland series last postseason which my statement was about....post season contribution.
    Lester also pitched 5+ shutout innings of WS baseball while Ellsbury hit .360 and Pedroia had 2 HR's and 10 RBI's in the post season.

    The majority of the Yanks high contracts were on players(Giambi, ARod, Randy, Brown, Abreu, Damon and Clemens the last go round )who have not brought home anything. Comparing that to the Sox spending which when mixed with young homegrown talent t has already produced 2 rings since 04 is crazy.
    The Sox won the WS IN SPITE OF those contracts. Just because Drew hit a few Hrs in the WS doesn't mean it was a good contract or justify it. Just because Youkilis hit well in the Cleveland series doesn't somehow erase half a season of craptastic baseball. Or that other than that one series, he has sucked in the PS. Talk about small sample sizes.

    You're right, the Yankees big contracts haven't gotten them a WS. But it has gotten them to the PS 14 straight seasons and to the WS in one of those years. And I don't think anybody would really say that the contracts of Giambi, Johnson etc were good things, but the point is, thats not the yankees of 2008. All of those contracts are off the book in the next two years and the team ALREADY has more homegrown talent producing at higher levels than either the Mets or Red Sox.

    And never mind that not ONE of those Sox "homegrown talents" were around in 2004.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDJETS View Post
    The Sox won the WS IN SPITE OF those contracts. Just because Drew hit a few Hrs in the WS doesn't mean it was a good contract or justify it. Just because Youkilis hit well in the Cleveland series doesn't somehow erase half a season of craptastic baseball. Or that other than that one series, he has sucked in the PS. Talk about small sample sizes.

    You're right, the Yankees big contracts haven't gotten them a WS. But it has gotten them to the PS 14 straight seasons and to the WS in one of those years. And I don't think anybody would really say that the contracts of Giambi, Johnson etc were good things, but the point is, thats not the yankees of 2008. All of those contracts are off the book in the next two years and the team ALREADY has more homegrown talent producing at higher levels than either the Mets or Red Sox.

    And never mind that not ONE of those Sox "homegrown talents" were around in 2004.
    Having the biggest payroll in MLB (usually by some 60 to 100 mill) should assure one making the play-offs. Congratulations.

    Let me try and understand you. We should overlook the Yankee large contract nightmares because they've made the play-offs but kill the RedSox on theirs even though they've won a couple of WS while the Yanks have been basically the warm-up round of the AL post season?

    BTW sport, if you think the Yanks will not be replacing the contracts that come off the books in the next two years with similiar ones, you are mistaken.

    The 07 Free Agency class was relatively week and the Yanks did not want to simply eat Giambi, Damon and Matsui contracts though one could argue all 3 cannot even play the position they were signed at. The Yanks will be big spenders next go round and there is nothing wrong with that. They just need to be smarter spenders which was part of Lupica's point.

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    This is probably the most boring thread of all time. I'd give anything to have back the time I wasted reading this drivel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad101 View Post
    Love him or hate him, Lupica always states the Yankee situation straight up.
    Sure it's not all Yankee'd up as some of the usual suspects would prefer but it is straight forward.
    This isn't the dumbest post here, but it is the most absurd.

    Lupica is the same guy that a few years ago, wrote an article about how RJ was too old and this was a problem for the Yankees. His solution? Trade for Roger Clemens. He is an absolute moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan View Post
    This isn't the dumbest post here, but it is the most absurd.

    Lupica is the same guy that a few years ago, wrote an article about how RJ was too old and this was a problem for the Yankees. His solution? Trade for Roger Clemens. He is an absolute moron.
    Well a few years ago Roger was posting ERA's in the 1's and 2's so possibly you can elaborate on what was absurd about the point.

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