Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 29

Thread: Amusing - Shillary caught in lie w/video

  1. #1
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Not bababooey and I resent the implication
    Posts
    21,029
    Post Thanks / Like

    Amusing - Shillary caught in lie w/video

    (Article below)

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8_odhuWfTk[/url]

    [url]http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/03/hillarys_balkan_adventures_par.html[/url]

    [QUOTE]
    "I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."
    --Hillary Clinton, speech at George Washington University, March 17, 2008.

    Hillary Clinton has been regaling supporters on the campaign trail with hair-raising tales of a trip she made to Bosnia in March 1996. In her retelling, she was sent to places that her husband, President Clinton, could not go because they were "too dangerous." When her account was challenged by one of her traveling companions, the comedian Sinbad, she upped the ante and injected even more drama into the story. In a speech earlier this week, she talked about "landing under sniper fire" and running for safety with "our heads down."

    There are numerous problems with Clinton's version of events.
    The Facts

    (Updated below)

    As a reporter who visited Bosnia soon after the December 1995 Dayton Peace agreement, I can attest that the physical risks were minimal during this period, particularly at a heavily fortified U.S. Air Force base, such as Tuzla. Contrary to the claims of Hillary Clinton and former Army secretary Togo West, Bosnia was not "too dangerous" a place for President Clinton to visit in early 1996. In fact, the first Clinton to visit the Tuzla Air Force base was not Hillary, but Bill, on January 13, 1996.

    Had Hillary Clinton's plane come "under sniper fire" in March 1996, we would certainly have heard about it long before now. Numerous reporters, including the Washington Post's John Pomfret, covered her trip. A review of nearly 100 news accounts of her visit shows that not a single newspaper or television station reported any security threat to the First Lady. "As a former AP wire service hack, I can safely say that it would have been in my lead had anything like that happened," said Pomfret.

    According to Pomfret, the Tuzla airport was "one of the safest places in Bosnia" in March 1996, and "firmly under the control" of the 1st Armored Division.

    Far from running to an airport building with their heads down, Clinton and her party were greeted on the tarmac by smiling U.S. and Bosnian officials. An eight-year-old Moslem girl, Emina Bicakcic, read a poem in English. An Associated Press photograph of the greeting ceremony, above, shows a smiling Clinton bending down to receive a kiss.

    "There is peace now," Emina told Clinton, according to Pomfret's report in the Washington Post the following day, "because Mr. Clinton signed it. All this peace. I love it."

    The First Lady's schedule, released on Wednesday and available here, confirms that she arrived in Tuzla at 8.45 a.m. and was greeted by various dignitaries, including Emina Bicakcic, (whose name has mysteriously been redacted from the document.)

    You can see CBS News footage of the arrival ceremony here. The footage shows Clinton walking calmly out of the back of the C-17 military transport plane that brought her from Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany.

    Among the U.S. officials on hand to greet Clinton at the airport was Maj. Gen. William Nash, the commander of U.S. troops in Bosnia. Nash told me that he was unaware of any security threat to Clinton during her eight-hour stay in Tuzla. He said, however, that Clinton had a "busy schedule" and may have got the impression that she was being hurried on her way. See clarification below.

    According to Sinbad, who provided entertainment on the trip along with the singer Sheryl Crow, the "scariest" part was deciding where to eat. As he told Mary Ann Akers of The Post, "I think the only 'red-phone' moment was: 'Do we eat here or at the next place.'" Sinbad questioned the premise behind the Clinton version of events. "What kind of president would say 'Hey man, I can't go 'cause I might get shot so I'm going to send my wife. Oh, and take a guitar player and a comedian with you."

    Replying to Sinbad earlier this week, Clinton dismissed him as "a comedian." Her campaign referred me to Togo West, who was also on the trip and is a staunch Hillary supporter. West could not remember "sniper fire" himself, but said there was no reason to doubt the First Lady's version of events. "Everybody's perceptions are different," he told me.

    Clinton made no mention of "sniper fire" in her autobiography "Living History," published in 2003, although she did say there were "reports of snipers" in the hills around the airport.

    UPDATE Friday 6:45 p.m.

    Lissa Muscatine, who served as Hilary Clinton's chief speechwriter in 1996 and accompanied her on the Bosnia trip, feels that I have failed to provide a full picture of what took place. She gave me her "vivid recollections" of the arrival in Tuzla, which I quote below:

    I was on the plane with then First Lady Hillary Clinton for the trip from Germany into Bosnia in 1996. We were put on a C17-- a plane capable of steep ascents and descents -- precisely because we were flying into what was considered a combat zone. We were issued flak jackets for the final leg because of possible sniper fire near Tuzla. As an additional precaution, the First Lady and Chelsea were moved to the armored cockpit for the descent into Tuzla. We were told that a welcoming ceremony on the tarmac might be canceled because of sniper fire in the hills surrounding the air strip. From Tuzla, Hillary flew to two outposts in Bosnia with gunships escorting her helicopter.

    UPDATE Saturday 8:45 a.m.

    Gen. Nash says that I misquoted him in saying he was unaware of any "security threat" to the First Lady. While he was unaware of any "sniper threat," he now tells me there were a couple of "security concerns" that day, which he found out about after returning to his headquarters after greeting Clinton at the airport. There was a "non-specific report" of a possible truck bomb in the area. The military also had information that "some of the communications associated with the First Lady's visit were being monitored."

    "In both cases, we took appropriate security action," said Nash, adding that Clinton's visit was not disrupted.

    Anybody else with first-hand memories of Clinton's Tuzla trip, please send them along.


    The Pinocchio Test

    Clinton's tale of landing at Tuzla airport "under sniper fire" and then running for cover is simply not credible. Photographs and video of the arrival ceremony, combined with contemporaneous news reports, tell a very different story.

    Four Pinocchios.

    [/QUOTE]

  2. #2
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Not bababooey and I resent the implication
    Posts
    21,029
    Post Thanks / Like
    The MSM is starting to pick this up..

    [url]http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/clinton-misspoke-about-bosnia-trip-campaign-says/#comment-794551[/url]

    BTW, what a shame that nobody even blinks an eye when a front runner for the POTUS is caught red handed in a bold face lie for political gain...

    Think about it..

    She lied..
    Sinbad (of all people) called her on it publicly
    She responded by lieing again and in more detail
    A video surfaces proving she lied
    And a campaign manager responds by saying "it's possible that she may have misspoke about the events of that day"

    And it's business as usual, what a shame that we hold our officials elected to the highest office to such a low standard..
    Last edited by CTM; 03-24-2008 at 04:01 PM.

  3. #3
    JetsInsider.com Legend
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    37,611
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=CTM;2448206]a bold face lie for political gain...[/QUOTE]

    [QUOTE=CTM;2448206]She lied.[/QUOTE]

    [QUOTE=CTM;2448206]lieing again[/QUOTE]

    [QUOTE=CTM;2448206]proving she lied[/QUOTE]

    [QUOTE=CTM;2448206]business as usual[/QUOTE]

    You said it. Business as usual.

  4. #4
    Veteran
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    1,125
    Post Thanks / Like
    I find this article hard to believe. I mean come on, when has Sinbad ever been entertaining?

  5. #5
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Not bababooey and I resent the implication
    Posts
    21,029
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=Warfish;2448254]You said it. Business as usual.[/QUOTE]

    Lol...very true..

    I don't understand why we accept this stuff.

    As our citizens get progressively dumber and less interested, a successful political campaign is more and more defined by how well it manipulates the uninformed and stupid..

    Kind of scary..

  6. #6
    Veteran
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Lawn Guyland
    Posts
    1,157
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=CTM;2448282]Lol...very true..

    I don't understand why we accept this stuff.

    As our citizens get progressively dumber and less interested, a successful political campaign is more and more defined by how well it manipulates the uninformed and stupid..

    Kind of scary..[/QUOTE]

    I agree 1000%

  7. #7
    Jets Insider VIP
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Phoenix, AZ (Jets Stadium Section 246)
    Posts
    35,657
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mainstream news now....Hillary's camp saying she "misspoke". :rolleyes: Priceless, simply priceless.

    [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080325/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_bosnia_8[/url]

    I'm offiicially dejected by the prospects of this election....Hillary, Obama or McCain. I now have to choose between the liar, the racist and the liberal! :mad:

  8. #8
    Jets Insider VIP
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Phoenix, AZ (Jets Stadium Section 246)
    Posts
    35,657
    Post Thanks / Like
    Sinbad > Hillary

    No one seems to have mentioned the worst part about the story.....the sniper missed! ;)

  9. #9
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Not bababooey and I resent the implication
    Posts
    21,029
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=jetstream23;2448808]Mainstream news now....Hillary's camp saying she "misspoke". :rolleyes: Priceless, simply priceless.

    [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080325/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_bosnia_8[/url]

    I'm offiicially dejected by the prospects of this election....Hillary, Obama or McCain. I now have to choose between the liar, the racist and the liberal! :mad:[/QUOTE]

    Lol..

    It's amazing how poor these candidates are. Seems like every election I think it couldn't possibly get any worse, and sure enough, every 4 years I'm proven wrong...

  10. #10
    Practice Squad
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    261
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=CTM;2448917]Lol..

    It's amazing how poor these candidates are. Seems like every election I think it couldn't possibly get any worse, and sure enough, every 4 years I'm proven wrong...[/QUOTE]

    We have nothing but our selves to blame. We stay loyal to parties that aren't loyal to us(not all of us though;)). Every time elections come around, it's the same circus with slightly different animals. Who can honestly say that their gov't currently represents them? When was the last time anyone could say that knowing the truth on all the policies put in place by said gov't? If we don't demand better why would they give us better?

  11. #11
    All Pro
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    6,284
    Post Thanks / Like
    The presence of Sinbad makes this story so much funnier.

    It's also further fuel for my thesis that Sheryl Crow is, indeed, omnipresent.

  12. #12
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Not bababooey and I resent the implication
    Posts
    21,029
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2449092]The presence of Sinbad makes this story so much funnier.

    It's also further fuel for my thesis that Sheryl Crow is, indeed, omnipresent.[/QUOTE]

    How much, if at all, does this hurt her in your estimation? I understand that most recent polls find only like 45% of voters to find her trustworthy, so for a large percentage of voters this is just par for the course..

    Also, did you see her latest response? A little bizarre imo and still complete bs.. She's not nearly as good a BS artist as bubba ...

    [QUOTE=HRC]‘Now let me tell you what I can remember, OK — because what I was told was that we had to land a certain way and move quickly because of the threat of sniper fire. So I misspoke — I didn’t say that in my book or other times but if I said something that made it seem as though there was actual fire — that’s not what I was told. I was told we had to land a certain way, we had to have our bulletproof stuff on because of the threat of sniper fire. I was also told that the greeting ceremony had been moved away from the tarmac but that there was this 8-year-old girl and, I can’t, I can’t rush by her, I’ve got to at least greet her — so I greeted her, I took her stuff and then I left, Now that’s my memory of it’

    “I followed-up, noting that the episode has raised questions about her credibility on foreign policy. She responded:

    “‘No, I went to 80 countries, you know. I gave contemporaneous accounts, I wrote about a lot of this in my book. you know, I think that, a minor blip, you know, if I said something that, you know, I say a lot of things — millions of words a day — so if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement.’[/QUOTE]
    Last edited by CTM; 03-25-2008 at 11:09 AM.

  13. #13
    Board Moderator
    Jets Insider VIP
    JetsInsider.com Legend
    Charter JI Member

    Join Date
    May 1999
    Location
    Westchester Co.
    Posts
    37,842
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=jetstream23;2448808]Mainstream news now....Hillary's camp saying she "[B]misspoke". [/B]:rolleyes: Priceless, simply priceless.

    [/QUOTE]

    Is that like when roger Clemmens, said Petite misremembered?

  14. #14
    All Pro
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    6,284
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=CTM;2449135]How much, if at all, does this hurt her in your estimation? I understand that most recent polls find only like 45% of voters to find her trustworthy, so for a large percentage of voters this is just par for the course..

    Also, did you see her latest response? A little bizarre imo and still complete bs.. She's not nearly as good a BS artist as bubba ...[/QUOTE]

    I think it's a big problem for her, in that it reinforces what most people see as her biggest weakness (her lack of trustworthiness, according to polls) and undermines her oft-repeated claim to be super-experienced. In other words, it's going to remind people what they don't like about her, and maybe make them think twice about what her strengths are, too.

  15. #15
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Not bababooey and I resent the implication
    Posts
    21,029
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2449185]I think it's a big problem for her, in that it reinforces what most people see as her biggest weakness (her lack of trustworthiness, according to polls) and undermines her oft-repeated claim to be super-experienced. In other words, it's going to remind people what they don't like about her, and maybe make them think twice about what her strengths are, too.[/QUOTE]

    Got you..

    Unfortunately this will probably be a distant memory by PA though. I wonder if Obama's campaign would run ads using it..

  16. #16
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    41,588
    Post Thanks / Like
    In the words of Hollywood mogul and former Clintonista, David Geffin, explaining his split from the Clinton's

    [FONT="Georgia"][SIZE="5"]"They Just lie with such ease .. it's very troubling"[/SIZE][/FONT]

    Indeed :shakehead

    I think Bill Bradley recently took it a step further when he said the Clinton's live by the "BIG LIE" theory, tell a big enough lie and folks are bound to believe it .. I don't know if those were Bradley's exact words, I'm paraphrasing him based on my own recollection, but I think that's pretty close and certainly captures Bradley's underlying sentiments

  17. #17
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    41,588
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=CTM;2449135]

    How much, if at all, does this hurt her in your estimation?

    I understand that most recent polls find only like 45% of voters to find her trustworthy, so for a large percentage of voters this is just par for the course.[/QUOTE]I don't think it hurts her at all, at this point everyone knows she's a lying sack of $hit just like her husband and maybe more so, that has long since been established, and folks have already decided if that matters to them
    Last edited by Green Jets & Ham; 03-26-2008 at 07:34 AM.

  18. #18
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Not bababooey and I resent the implication
    Posts
    21,029
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;2450406]I don't think it hurts her at all, at this point everyone knows she's a lying sack of $hit just like her husband and maybe more so, that has long since been established, and folks have already decided if that matters to them[/QUOTE]

    Yea, that was my thinking originally too. I've read some of the comments to these articles on the nytimes and it's disturbing to me how many people either don't care or turn off their brain enough to buy this "misspoke" story..

    I can't believe we would even consider electing someone who is a compulsive liar. If you have kids that are aware of this episode, who you are trying to teach to be honest, how does your message resonant when a front runner for highest office was caught in a bold face lie and responded first with more lies and then with, "So I made a mistake. That happens. It proves I'm human, which, you know, for some people, is a revelation."

  19. #19
    All Pro
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    7,679
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=CTM;2450441]Yea, that was my thinking originally too. I've read some of the comments to these articles on the nytimes and it's disturbing to me how many people either don't care or turn off their brain enough to buy this "misspoke" story..
    [B]
    I can't believe we would even consider electing someone who is a compulsive liar.[/B] If you have kids that are aware of this episode, who you are trying to teach to be honest, how does your message resonant when a front runner for highest office was caught in a bold face lie and responded first with more lies and then with, "So I made a mistake. That happens. It proves I'm human, which, you know, for some people, is a revelation."[/QUOTE]

    Yeah. Cause that has never happened before:rolleyes:
    What we need in politics are more honest men with integrity...you know, guys like GWB/Dick Cheney

  20. #20
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Not bababooey and I resent the implication
    Posts
    21,029
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=kennyo7;2450514]Yeah. Cause that has never happened before:rolleyes:
    What we need in politics are more honest men with integrity...you know, guys like GWB/Dick Cheney[/QUOTE]

    Something like 55% of American people do not find her trustworthy, has any other presidential front runner been that low? And keep in mind, that was before video evidence of lieing like the below surfaced..

    I mean come on, I don't ever remember anyone being caught this badly. And the video below even leaves out the fact that Bill Clinton was in Bosnia 2 months prior to Hillary directly exposing two more lies that a) Hillary was the first american in post war Bosnia and b) It was to dangerous for the President to go.

    Watch the video..

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie5X4fWtHiQ[/url]
    Last edited by CTM; 03-26-2008 at 10:06 AM.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Follow Us