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    Israel Insider: Is Barack Obama a Muslim wolf in Christian wool?

    since everyone is always so concerned about the view of other nations...

    [QUOTE][B]Is Barack Obama a Muslim wolf in Christian wool?
    By Reuven Koret March 27, 2008 [/B]

    The glib handling of criticism of his relationship with the anti-American ("God Damn America!") and anti-Israel ("a dirty word for Negroes") Reverend James Wright may have bought him a little time. But the legacy of dissimulation about his long-concealed identity is about to come crashing down around the ears of Barack Hussein Obama, courtesy of the assembled testimony of his family, friends, classmates and teachers.

    The accumulated research indicates that Obama was in his childhood a devout Muslim, the son of a devout Muslim, the step-son of a devout Muslim and the grandson and namesake ("Hussein") of a devout Muslim. He was registered in school as a Muslim and demonstrated his ability to chant praise to Allah in impressive Arab-accented tones even as an adult. Just as he has not disavowed his "uncle" Jeremiah, neither has he disavowed his Muslim faith that he was born into, raised with, celebrated and never abandoned. He just covered it over with a thin veneer of his own self-styled "Christianity."

    Although as an adult he would register as a Christian, and occasionally attend a Christian Church (but apparently not often enough to listen to the preaching of his pastor, or so he would claim) this was a necessary step for a man who from earliest boyhood has nurtured the precocious ambition to be President of the United States.

    He was entered into the Roman Catholic, Franciscus Assisi Primary School, in Jakarta, Indonesia, on January 1, 1968, registered under the name Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen whose religion was listed as Islam. Catholic schools accept non-Catholics worldwide. Non-Catholic students are typically excused from religious instruction and ceremony.

    In kindergarten, Senator Obama wrote an essay titled 'I Want to Become President.'"Iis Darmawan, 63, Senator Obama's kindergarten teacher, remembers him as an exceptionally tall and curly haired child who quickly picked up the local language and had sharp math skills. He wrote an essay titled, 'I Want To Become President,' the teacher said." [AP, 1/25/07]

    Three years later, in 1971, Obama enrolled in the Besuki Primary School, a government school, as Barry Soetoro, Muslim. In third grade, Senator Obama wrote an essay titled 'I Want To Be a President.' His third grade teacher: Fermina Katarina Sinaga "asked her class to write an essay titled 'My dream: What I want to be in the future.' Senator Obama wrote 'I want to be a President,' she said." [The Los Angeles Times, 3/15/07]

    All Indonesian students are required to study religion at school and a young Barry Soetoro, being a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in school.

    He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam.

    In his autobiography, "Dreams From My Father," Obama mentions studying the Koran and describes the public school as "a Muslim school."

    "In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies."

    According to Tine Hahiyary, one of Obama's teachers and the principal from 1971 through 1989, Barry actively took part in the Islamic religious lessons during his time at the school. "I remembered that he had studied "mengaji" (recitation of the Quran)" Tine said.

    The author of the Laotze blog writes from Jakarta: "The actual usage of the word 'mengaji' in Indonesian and Malaysian societies means the study of learning to recite the Quran in the Arabic language rather than the native tongue. "Mengagi" is a word and a term that is accorded the highest value and status in the mindset of fundamentalist societies here in Southeast Asia. To put it quite simply, 'mengaji classes' are not something that a non practicing or so-called moderate Muslim family would ever send their child to. To put this in a Christian context, this is something above and beyond simply enrolling your child in Sunday school classes."

    "The fact that Obama had attended mengaji classes is well known in Indonesia and has left many there wondering just when Obama is going to come out of the closet."

    "As I've stated before, the evidence seems to quite clearly show that both Ann Dunham and her husband Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo were in fact devout Muslims themselves and they raised their son as such."

    The Obama Campaign told the LA Times he wasn't a "practicing Muslim." (3/14/2007). But his official website says: "Obama Has Never Been A Muslim, And Is a Committed Christian" (11/12/2007)

    That's not what his friends and classmates have said. Classmate Rony Amiris describes young Barry as enjoying playing football and marbles and of being a very devout Muslim. Amir said, "Barry was previously quite religious in Islam. We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house. If he was wearing a sarong, he looked funny," said Rony.

    Amiris, now the manager of Bank Mandiri, Jakarta, recently said, "Barry was previously quite religious in Islam. His birth father, Barack Hussein Obama was a Muslim economist from Kenya. Before marrying Ann Dunham, Hussein Obama was married to a woman from Kenya who had seven children. All the relatives of Barry's father were very devout Muslims"

    Emirsyah Satar, CEO of Garuda Indonesia, was quoted as saying, "He (Obama) was often in the prayer room wearing a 'sarong', at that time."

    "He was quite religious in Islam but only after marrying Michelle, he changed his religion."

    So Obama, according to his classmates and friends was a Muslim until the confluence of love and ambitious, caused him to adopt the cloak of Christianity: to marry Michelle and to run for President of the United States.

    In "Dreams," Obama sheds light on his formative years and the political views of his mother, an anthropologist and Islamophile who hated America and subsequently "went native." (It was her mother -- Barry's "other" grandmother who cared for him in his druggie teenage years -- that he would describe as a "typical white person" who was, he said scoldingly, fearful of black men and prone to making stereotypical racial remarks.)

    Obama Senior also had three sons by another woman who are all Muslim. Although Obama claims Senior was an atheist, Senior was buried as a Muslim.

    Barack Obama's brother Roy opted for Islam over Christianity, as the Senator recounted in his book when describing his 1992 wedding. "The person who made me proudest of all," Obama wrote, "was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam, and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol."Abongo "argues that the black man must "liberate himself from the poisoning influences of European culture." He urged his younger brother to embrace his African heritage.

    In Kenya while he was a Senator, Obama stumped for his cousin, opposition leader Raila Odinga, the son of Senior's sister, a direct first cousin and nephew of Obama's father.

    On August 29, 2007, Raila Odinga and Shiekh Abdullah Abdi, chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum of Kenya signed a Memorandum of Understanding in which it pledges the support of Kenyan Moslems for Raila's election. In return, as President of Kenya, Raila agrees ... within 6 months re-write the Constitution of Kenya to recognize Shariah as the only true law sanctioned by the Holy Quran for Muslim declared regions [and] within one year to facilitate the establishment of a Shariah court in every Kenyan divisional headquarters -- everywhere in Kenya, not just in "Muslim declared regions" -- and to popularize Islam, the only true religion ... by ordering every primary school in Kenya in the regions to conduct daily Madrassa classes.

    In an interview with the New York Times, published on April 30th, Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama's younger half sister, told the Times, "My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim."

    Obama describes his new found "Christian" faith as: (1) Suspicious of dogma (2) Without any monopoly on the truth (3) Nontransferable to others (4) Infused with a big healthy dose of doubt, and (5) Indulgent of and compatible with all other religions.

    On February 27th, speaking to Kristof of The New York Times, Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset."

    In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, "with a first-class [Arabic] accent."

    The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:

    "Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
    Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
    I witness that there is no god but Allah
    I witness that there is no god but Allah
    I witness that Muhammad is his prophet? "

    According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim. This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim's complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam. Obama chanted it with pride and finesse.

    An American Expat in Southeast Asia blog, written by an American who has lived in Indonesia for 20 years and has met with both the Taliban and al-Qaeda, contains the following:

    "Barack Hussein Obama might have convinced some Americans that he is no longer a Muslim, but so far he has not convinced many in the world's most populous Muslim country who still see him as a Muslim and a crusader for Islam and world peace."

    "Barack Hussein Obama's race, his staunch opposition to the war in Iraq, his sympathy to Islam and Muslims worldwide and his Muslim heritage receive the Indonesian media coverage. There is no mention of his apostasy."

    "A good example of how some of the Indonesian media is reporting on Obama's religion can be found in the following."

    "What I found interesting in the article was the use of the word 'mengaku' when refering to Obama's conversion from Islam to Christianity. The word 'mengaku' in Indonesian means "claimed" and as such leaves the insinuation to the native Indonesian reader being that Obama might actually still be a Muslim.

    But this is how Indonesians see Obama, they don't see him as an apostate at all, they see him as a crusader for the cause of Islam."

    [B]Obama wants it both ways, has always wanted it both ways. Black and white, Indonesian and American, Muslim and Christian. He loves playing one off the other, using one to hide the other even as the traces of the truth may be assembled to reveal the whole cloth of deception and self-promotion he has been weaving so skillfully since his childhood. No wonder he is a man of change. He IS a changeling, a veritable chameleon, adapting and amending his life story to fit the circumstances. [/B]

    The charm may have worked once. It still works on some. It won't work forever in the age of the Internet. The fog of ambiguity and dissimulation is dissipated by the harsh, unforgiving and scrutiny of the blogosphere and its unlimited access to historical facts and time-stamped testimony.

    Many have been puzzled why Obama could claim not to be familiar with Wright's rants. It turns out the Trinity Church, like many African-American churches, happily accepts believing Muslims within its congregation. And evidently many Muslims have no problems surrounding themselves with an anti-American, anti-Israel preacher who week in and week out wins the amens of his adoring congregation.

    On Feb 15/08, Usama K. Dakdok, President of The Straight Way of Grace Ministry called Obama's Church and reported the following conversation: " I then asked the person who answered what I needed to do to join. She told me that I needed to attend two Sunday School classes in a row and then I would walk the aisle. I replied, "That sounds easy. One last question please. If I am Muslim and I believe in the Prophet Mohammed, peace be unto him and I also believe in Jesus, peace be unto him, do I have to give up my Islamic faith to be a member in your church? She answered: "No, we have many Muslim members in our church."

    Indeed.

    [I]Credit for these reports and revelations -- assembling the statements of those who love and admire Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama -- belong primarily to the writers, researchers, and journalists cited in and contributing to the above references. Special hat tip to Ted Belman of Israpundit for putting most of the pieces together. One can be sure that more, much more, is on the way, before the first black muslim president enters the White House. Or not.[/I]
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    [url]http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12745.htm[/url]

    seems BO has a tough time embracing his muslim upbringing- unless it's to his benefit...

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2452557]
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    [QUOTE=CTM;2453479]Cock.[/QUOTE]

    actually I've heard she's a carpet muncher....:yes:

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2453600]actually I've heard she's a carpet muncher....:yes:[/QUOTE]

    At least she has good taste in something.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2453600]actually I've heard she's a carpet muncher....:yes:[/QUOTE]

    Thats old school....Clam digger is more appropriate..as carpets are a thing of the past.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2453355]since everyone is always so concerned about the view of other nations...



    [url]http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12745.htm[/url]

    seems BO has a tough time embracing his muslim upbringing- unless it's to his benefit...[/QUOTE]

    The self parody continues uninterrupted.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2454051]The self parody continues uninterrupted.[/QUOTE]

    the usual way threads about the messiah are answered by obama's messianic followers...

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2454056]the usual way threads about the messiah are answered by obama's messianic followers...[/QUOTE]

    I love how you are simultaneously trying to peddle BS about him both as a radical christian AND a radical muslim. Good stuff. Furthers my earlier-stated thesis that you are some sort of performance artist acting out a grotesque parody of a Sean Hannity listener.

    Also a nice touch passing off the opinion of one Israeli as "What other nations think." I'm sure some wacko on a message board in Israel is doing the same with Rosie O'Donnell, or Ann Coulter.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2454073]I love how you are simultaneously trying to peddle BS about him both as a radical christian AND a radical muslim. Good stuff. Furthers my earlier-stated thesis that you are some sort of performance artist acting out a grotesque parody of a Sean Hannity listener.

    Also a nice touch passing off the opinion of one Israeli as "What other nations think." I'm sure some wacko on a message board in Israel is doing the same with Rosie O'Donnell, or Ann Coulter.[/QUOTE]

    again...the usual Err America/randi rodent response from the messianic followers of obama...

    here's the thing skippy- I'm not peddaling anything- your boy BO is doing that all by himself....

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2454089]again...the usual Err America/randi rodent response from the messianic followers of obama...

    here's the thing skippy- I'm not peddaling anything- your boy BO is doing that all by himself....[/QUOTE]


    I never thought of asking this before, but: Are you Sean Hannity?

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2454098]I never thought of asking this before, but: Are you Sean Hannity?[/QUOTE]

    no- yet there's no doubting you're one of randi rodents lesbian partners...

    three posts in and one of BO's messianic follwers is yet to address the topic...
    Last edited by Come Back to NY; 03-28-2008 at 11:44 AM.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2454073]I love how you are simultaneously trying to peddle BS about him both as a radical christian AND a radical muslim. Good stuff. Furthers my earlier-stated thesis that you are some sort of performance artist acting out a grotesque parody of a Sean Hannity listener.

    Also a nice touch passing off the opinion of one Israeli as "What other nations think." I'm sure some wacko on a message board in Israel is doing the same with Rosie O'Donnell, or Ann Coulter.[/QUOTE]

    Give Barack credit: he was a good student and learned all his lessons well. Does his early exposure to and interest in one of the three major religions of civilization make him a crypto-terrorist? Interesting. So the bottom line is that if one is not a born Christian (if you came to it later in life, you are obviously suspect of "chameleon" behavior), you can't be trusted? And of course some Jews are worried, just as they worry whenever the U.S. engages any ally in the Middle East that represents Arab interests... that's hardly news. I think that rejecting Obama because of his religious learning (Catholic, Muslim, Protestant) is frankly bigoted. Reject him on what he says and does, reject him on lack of experience, but because he took the Islamic faith seriously as a child and young man? What is this, the CBNY Skinhead Patrol? I find this whole angle of attacking religious practice to be truly reprehensible, just as I found the attacks on Romney to be absolutely disgraceful. This is the usual scare-mongering and fear-baiting that reminds one of Hearst and the "Yellow Peril." Bottom-feeding nonsense.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2454103]no- yet there's no doubting you're one of randi rodents lesbian partners...

    three posts in and one of BO's messianic follwers is yet to address the topic...[/QUOTE]

    What topic? That Obama is allegedly some sort of Muslim Manchurian candidate, who --after being elected on a platform of national reconciliation-- will pledge allegiance to Al Qaeda or something?

    The only response to this stuff is mockery. You have to be seriously delusional to read it as anything other than parody.

    Do you think Obama is a Muslim sleeper agent, CBNY? Yes or no.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2454121]What topic? That Obama is allegedly some sort of Muslim Manchurian candidate, who --after being elected on a platform of national reconciliation-- will pledge allegiance to Al Qaeda or something?

    The only response to this stuff is mockery. You have to be seriously delusional to read it as anything other than parody.

    Do you think Obama is a Muslim sleeper agent, CBNY? Yes or no.[/QUOTE]

    the topic??? the outward lies of BO to hide his past....as the paragraph states BO wants it both ways and has always wanted it both ways, free of any criticism...he's found the perfect disciple in people like you....

    the only thing to be mocked is the outrage expressed by the messianic followers if you dare speak out against their messiah, as evidenced by your posts...

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2454127]the topic??? the outward lies of BO to hide his past....as the paragraph states BO wants it both ways and has always wanted it both ways, free of any criticism...he's found the perfect disciple in people like you....

    the only thing to be mocked is the outrage expressed by the messianic followers if you dare speak out against their messiah, as evidenced by your posts...[/QUOTE]

    Outward lies? The guy knows about Obama's upbringing because it was in Obama's first book.
    Last edited by nuu faaola; 03-28-2008 at 12:23 PM.

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    Ive been saying this for a long time. Im glad someone like CBNY had the guts to post this. Saddam Hussein Bin Obam is a radical Muslim pretending to be christian. He is a secret AQ agent with plans to spread the caliphate to North America. My God how can America be so blind. He is using our own freedoms and fooling Americans into voting for a Muslim Extremist as president. Wake Up America!!! AQ is at our doorstep and his name is Barak [SIZE="4"]HUSSEIN[/SIZE] Obama!!!

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2454127]the topic??? the outward lies of BO to hide his past....as the paragraph states BO wants it both ways and has always wanted it both ways, free of any criticism...he's found the perfect disciple in people like you....

    the only thing to be mocked is the outrage expressed by the messianic followers if you dare speak out against their messiah, as evidenced by your posts...[/QUOTE]

    I re-read the article, trying to parse out exactly what Obama did that was a lie... if there are lies, they seem to be in the way the article insinuates things that on examination simply vanish. The author states that Obama "enrolled" in primary school (that would make him, what, 5 y.o.?) as if he was making some adult choice. Later the author states that he "enrolled" three years later in the Besuki School, again the language implying that he was making a choice, then the author later states that such enrollment was required of all children in Indonesia... it was not a choice at all. The author then goes on to use Muslim notions about "once a Muslim always a Muslim" to in effect state that Obama is secretly still a Muslim, NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES! Sort of like saying that if you're born a Jew, you can never be a real Christian, since other Jews will still consider you Jewish.... Meanwhile the author notes that Obama addresses his Muslim schooling in his autobiography, so where's the evasion. He talked about it directly. The fact that he could recide the Shahada is used as "evidence" that he MUST be a secret Muslim because only a true Muslim could have accurate pronunciation! Dumb and dumber. But if the stupid sheep are still not persuaded, remind them repeatedly that all his relatives on his father's side are Muslims, not just this generation but going back three or four... now there's proof!! Of course, Barack chose for this to be the case because he can travel back in time and change it, if he wasn't secretly pro-Muslim all along and doesn't really want to....

    CBNY, you gotta stop smoking that weed. And you should really take the advice of some of the more serious conservatives on this site and stop with the empty name-calling of Obama as a form of argument. All it does is make YOU look bad.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2454098]I never thought of asking this before, but: Are you Sean Hannity?[/QUOTE]

    Now this is funny...I actually thought for a sec hey CBNY could be Sean Hannity!!!

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2454138]Outward lies? The guy knows about his upbringing because it was in Obama's first book.[/QUOTE]

    Just because he wrote it in a "book" doesn't mean he isn't trying to hide his past. I mean, who reads books anymore?

    If he really wanted everyone to know his past, he would post a video on the You Tubes...

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2454138][B]Outward lies? [/B]The guy knows about his upbringing because it was in Obama's first book.[/QUOTE]

    someone should tell his webmaster:

    [QUOTE][B]Obama Has Never Been A Muslim, And Is a Committed Christian
    November 12, 2007 [/B]

    "In the internet age, there are going to be lies that are spread all over the place. I have been victimized by these lies. Fortunately, the American people are, I think, smarter than folks give them credit for."
    — Barack Obama, MSNBC Debate, January 15, 2008

    Barack on the Smear Emails
    What Others Say on the Smear Emails
    PBS on the Smear Emails
    Barack Is Not and Has Never Been Muslim
    Barack Never Attended a Muslim School
    [/QUOTE]

    [url]http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/11/12/obama_has_never_been_a_muslim_1.php[/url]


    like the author says...he wants it both ways and always has....

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