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    Oh yeah, ... then there's Iraq violence.

    Went back a few days. Do my eyes deceive me, or has there been no discussion here of the biggest story in the world? I see lots of "Obama hates America" and Spitzer crucification threads. But nothing about Nouri Maliki's initiative.

    Somehow, this forum has put Iraq on the backburner. No different than anywhere else, I suppose. But especially surprising considering this is a story I'd figure the chickenhawks would be all over with positive spin.

    [SIZE="5"][B]Iraq faces a 'defining moment' [/B] [/SIZE]
    [URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7319678.stm"]...[/URL]
    [INDENT][I]
    [B]US President George W Bush has called the Iraqi government offensive against militiamen in Basra "a defining moment in the history of a free Iraq". [/B]

    Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki has set a deadline for the Mehdi Army, which still controls large parts of the city, to lay down their arms for money.

    Correspondents say the militia has so far ignored the ultimatum.

    More than 130 people have been killed and 350 injured since a clampdown on militias began in Basra on Tuesday.

    Mr Bush said the actions of Mr Maliki, a Shia, showed he treated Shias and Sunnis equally if they broke the law. [/I][/INDENT]

    A1 news, folks.
    [URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=2YGzdPPaOjA"].[/URL]
    Last edited by Press_Coverage; 03-29-2008 at 06:22 AM.

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    [QUOTE=Press_Coverage;2455431]Went back a few days. Do my eyes deceive me, or has there been no discussion here of the biggest story in the world? I see lots of "Obama hates America" and Spitzer crucification threads. But nothing about Nouri Maliki's initiative.

    Somehow, this forum has put Iraq on the backburner. No different than anywhere else, I suppose. But especially surprising considering this is a story I'd figure the chickenhawks would be all over with positive spin.

    [SIZE="5"][B]Iraq faces a 'defining moment' [/B] [/SIZE]
    [URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7319678.stm"]...[/URL]
    [INDENT][I]
    [B]US President George W Bush has called the Iraqi government offensive against militiamen in Basra "a defining moment in the history of a free Iraq". [/B]

    Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki has set a deadline for the Mehdi Army, which still controls large parts of the city, to lay down their arms for money.

    Correspondents say the militia has so far ignored the ultimatum.

    More than 130 people have been killed and 350 injured since a clampdown on militias began in Basra on Tuesday.

    Mr Bush said the actions of Mr Maliki, a Shia, showed he treated Shias and Sunnis equally if they broke the law. [/I][/INDENT]

    A1 news, folks.
    [URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=2YGzdPPaOjA"].[/URL][/QUOTE]

    I admit that I have been more focused lately on spanking the ministers of propaganda at this forum. Prior to that, though, I did start a few threads on the Iraq war. The response I received from some was that "it was old news" and "why do we have to rehash this over again".

    The hawks at this site will bring this topic up again. As soon as fox "news" and talk radio change the subject from Obama bashing to this topic. "


    [B]If you wan't to know what tomorrows threads will look like here, watch Fox tonight"[/B]

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;2455496]

    The hawks at this site will bring this topic up again. As soon as fox "news" and talk radio change the subject from Obama bashing to this topic. "


    [B]If you wan't to know what tomorrows threads will look like here, watch Fox tonight"[/B][/QUOTE]
    Would an intelligent person, on the first response to someone's post, call the tune for the next spat or actually address a thread? If you don't want to talk about the issue, don't post. I'm sorry, but you don't have much of a leg to stand on when you whine about the behavior of others. You clearly seek that stuff.

    I think the high water mark for people with an anti-Iraq war agenda is behind us. I don't think the militias in Iraq can do much more than start isolated, yet deadly, flare ups in Iraq. Time is against them.

    What's more, check the box-office numbers for the latest -wonderfully hyped Iraq war movie - "Stop-Loss". "DOA" - according to link by Drudge. It's the umpteenth Hollywood antiwar flop. I think it's another bellweather about the American public's views on defeatism. Not buying it.

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;2455514]Would an intelligent person, on the first response to someone's post, call the tune for the next spat or actually address a thread? [B]If you don't want to talk about the issue, don't post[/B]. I'm sorry, but you don't have much of a leg to stand on when you whine about the behavior of others. You clearly seek that stuff.

    I think the high water mark for people with an anti-Iraq war agenda is behind us. I don't think the militias in Iraq can do much more than start isolated, yet deadly, flare ups in Iraq. Time is against them.

    What's more, check the box-office numbers for the latest -wonderfully hyped Iraq war movie - "Stop-Loss". "DOA" - according to link by Drudge. It's the umpteenth Hollywood antiwar flop. I think it's another bellweather about the American public's views on defeatism. Not buying it.[/QUOTE]

    Ita interesting that you only highlighted the bottom portion of my initial post. In the first part I addressed press coverage's question as to why the Iraq war was not getting attention at this site. He also wondered why people were more focused on Obama bashing. Both of his questions in this thread were addressed by me in my initial thread.

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    [QUOTE=Press_Coverage;2455431]Somehow, this forum has put Iraq on the backburner. No different than anywhere else, I suppose. But especially surprising considering this is a story I'd figure the chickenhawks would be all over with positive spin.[/QUOTE]


    Well, it is a Politics and World Events forum, so all the Obama-related stuff is quite relevant. Besides, Iraq has been on the front-burner for years. Just because people aren't posting daily updated death statistics doesn't mean it's not on people's minds.

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    [QUOTE=SanAntonio_JetFan;2455632]Well, it is a Politics and World Events forum, so all the Obama-related stuff is quite relevant. Besides, Iraq has been on the front-burner for years. Just because people aren't posting daily updated death statistics doesn't mean it's not on people's minds.[/QUOTE]

    The breaking of a 6 month ceasefire involving Al Sadr (real reason for decreased violence in Iraq) is quite relevant as well. The problem is that more people care about a few clips of Obama's pastor than a crucial event affecting our soliders and interests in Iraq. The average American doesn't even know this is happening, and the media is totally to blame.

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    [QUOTE=parafly;2455648]The breaking of a 6 month ceasefire involving Al Sadr (real reason for decreased violence in Iraq) is quite relevant as well. The problem is that more people care about a few clips of Obama's pastor than a crucial event affecting our soliders and interests in Iraq. The average American doesn't even know this is happening, and the media is totally to blame.[/QUOTE]

    I think people are starting to tire of the story on Obama's pastor, at least I am. WHen I finally saw the guy on video, I actually thought he was white. :eek:

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    Maybe he took after Michael Jackson.

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    [QUOTE=SanAntonio_JetFan;2455632]Well, it is a Politics and World Events forum, so all the Obama-related stuff is quite relevant. Besides, Iraq has been on the front-burner for years. Just because people aren't posting daily updated death statistics doesn't mean it's not on people's minds.[/QUOTE]

    I never indicated the campaign stuff wasn't relevant.

    Regardless, your rationalization here is rather flimsy. No one said anything about death statistics. What's occuring is a major turn in the most important story facing our country, and this generation... and the bold predictions from both sides now sit on a razor's edge.

    That not a single thread was created about Malaki's crackdown -- in this rather busy forum as much as a week later -- is curious, in and of itself.

    Isn't this the "good news" those of you most Rovian of war supporters have been trumpeting for over a year? That Sadr would eventually have to be "dealt with," and that he was the last obstacle? I mean, I don't know about this forum, but that's what I keep hearing from the LeMays everywhere.

    Anyhow, I hope the "when they stand up, we'll stand down" grand plans come to fruition. At this point, I really do.

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;2455514]Would an intelligent person, on the first response to someone's post, call the tune for the next spat or actually address a thread? If you don't want to talk about the issue, don't post. I'm sorry, but you don't have much of a leg to stand on when you whine about the behavior of others. You clearly seek that stuff.

    [B]I think the high water mark for people with an anti-Iraq war agenda is behind us. I don't think the militias in Iraq can do much more than start isolated, yet deadly, flare ups in Iraq. Time is against them. [/B]
    What's more, check the box-office numbers for the latest -wonderfully hyped Iraq war movie - "Stop-Loss". "DOA" - according to link by Drudge. It's the umpteenth Hollywood antiwar flop. I think it's another bellweather about the American public's views on defeatism. Not buying it.[/QUOTE]

    Are you living in a vacuum? Have you been following whats been going on in Iraq? You have the Iraqi govt trying to silence the angry Madhi Army but the Iraqi Military is in large numbers refusing to go up against al-Sadr's militia. They are abandoning the Iraqi Army in large numbers. This subordination doesnt spell well for the Iraqi govt. Geez I wonder why their loyalty is with the Madhi Army and not the iraqi govt?

    Then you have the Sunni's who were being backed up and given supplies by the USA who are claiming they were used by the USA and vow to take action against the Iraq govt.

    Its time to wake up. The surge has failed to accomplish its goal. The Iraqi "democracy" is a joke. Iraq has become a clusterfuk that we cant fix.


    [url]http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iraq28mar28,1,3783015.story[/url]
    [url]http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/iraq/2004306601_iraq26.html[/url]
    [url]http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/27/africa/ME-FIN-Iraq-Pipeline-Explosion.php[/url]
    [url]http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-fg-shiites30mar30,1,1596179.story[/url]
    [url]http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-32752620080329?sp=true[/url]
    [url]http://www.mcclatchydc.com/212/story/31988.html[/url]
    [url]http://www.mcclatchydc.com/212/story/31877.html[/url]
    [url]http://www.mcclatchydc.com/212/story/31750.html[/url]
    Last edited by kennyo7; 03-30-2008 at 10:31 AM.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;2456127]Are you living in a vacuum? Have you been following whats been going on in Iraq? You have the Iraqi govt trying to silence the angry Madhi Army but the Iraqi Military is in large numbers refusing to go up against al-Sadr's militia. They are abandoning the Iraqi Army in large numbers. This subordination doesnt spell well for the Iraqi govt. Geez I wonder why their loyalty is with the Madhi Army and not the iraqi govt?

    Then you have the Sunni's who were being backed up and given supplies by the USA who are claiming they were used by the USA and vow to take action against the Iraq govt.

    Its time to wake up. The surge has failed to accomplish its goal. The Iraqi "democracy" is a joke. Iraq has become a clusterfuk that we cant fix.


    [url]http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iraq28mar28,1,3783015.story[/url]
    [url]http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/iraq/2004306601_iraq26.html[/url]
    [url]http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/27/africa/ME-FIN-Iraq-Pipeline-Explosion.php[/url]
    [url]http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-fg-shiites30mar30,1,1596179.story[/url]
    [url]http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-32752620080329?sp=true[/url]
    [url]http://www.mcclatchydc.com/212/story/31988.html[/url]
    [url]http://www.mcclatchydc.com/212/story/31877.html[/url]
    [url]http://www.mcclatchydc.com/212/story/31750.html[/url][/QUOTE]

    Your take on Iraq has not changed an iota in 4 years. No matter what happens or doesn't happen there, kenny, you give the same speech. At no point have you conceded an inch of progress and, when there's a flare-up, it's "Iraq has become a clusterfuk that we cant fix".

    No offense, but I'm seriously glad that someone who thinks like you is not in power. Caving to militias would be a clusterfuk of tragic proportions.

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;2456190]Your take on Iraq has not changed an iota in 4 years. No matter what happens or doesn't happen there, kenny, you give the same speech. At no point have you conceded an inch of progress and, when there's a flare-up, it's "Iraq has become a clusterfuk that we cant fix".

    No offense, but I'm seriously glad that someone who thinks like you is not in power. Caving to militias would be a clusterfuk of tragic proportions.[/QUOTE]

    Thats because the situation in Iraq hasnt changed an iota in 4 years. Our goals are just as unachievable today as they were 4 years ago. Tell me what progress has been made? How is Iraq any closer to being the "model western style democracy allied with the USA in the WOT" today. What promise have you seen from the Maliki government that makes you so hopeful? For 4 years youve been singing the same tune. Just b/c you want something to happen doesnt mean it will. After 4 years we are no closer to achieving that naive goal you claimed would happen. Everything I predicted would happen in Iraq 5 years ago is happening. If only more guys in govt thought like me we wouldnt have opened this Pandora's Box

    Do you realize that Iraq is being run by a militia?? Maliki is part of a rival militia. He supports the Badr Corps (a rival militia). Get your head out of your a$$!! Wake up to the reality. Learn about Iraq and these groups before you make such ignorant statements.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;2456201]Thats because the situation in Iraq hasnt changed an iota in 4 years. [/QUOTE]
    It's time you start talking to servicemen overseas. Don't tell me, don't tell JI, tell [I]them[/I] nothing has changed in 4 years.

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;2456324]It's time you start talking to servicemen overseas. Don't tell me, don't tell JI, tell [I]them[/I] nothing has changed in 4 years.[/QUOTE]

    First off, I do talk to servicemen, on a daily basis. I work at the VA. They tell me that while their are periods of improvement in security, on the whole the sitution in Iraq is dire.

    Secondly, what does a serviceman know about the political events of Iraq?? Seriously, what does a 20 year old PFC from South Carolina understand about political reconciliation or the history of the Dawa party, SCIRI, and Muqtada al Sadr???

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    Have you ever ONCE posted about "periods of improvement"? If so, I've never seen it. Yet it's your call to maintain the "Iraq Status: Dire" no matter what a serviceman might tell you. (For he is only a serviceman and knows nothing of al-Sadr, etc.)

    You have a bad agenda.

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;2456425]Have you ever ONCE posted about "periods of improvement"? If so, I've never seen it. Yet it's your call to maintain the "Iraq Status: Dire" no matter what a serviceman might tell you. (For he is only a serviceman and knows nothing of al-Sadr, etc.)

    You have a bad agenda.[/QUOTE]

    Periods of improvement?? Like what?
    It would be like me talking about how great the Titanic's craftmenship is while the ship is sinking. Any improvement in Iraq is greatly outweighed by its failures. Look at the big picture. Its a failure.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;2457159]Periods of improvement?? Like what?
    It would be like me talking about how great the Titanic's craftmenship is while the ship is sinking. Any improvement in Iraq is greatly outweighed by its failures. Look at the big picture. Its a failure.[/QUOTE]
    Oh man. Go back to your last post and read your own words, you know the part where you reference "periods of improvement" - the kind you hear about on a daily basis?

    Better yet, don't. Just take a nap and get off line. Your mind has gone to mush.

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