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    Rats- Report on Iraq 'too rosy'

    odds on rat-wing anti-Petaeus adds republished in liberal mouthpieces come Monday???

    [QUOTE][B]Democrat: Report on Iraq 'too rosy' [/B]
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    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Senior Democratic senators challenged a new intelligence report's assessment of President Bush's "surge" strategy Friday, saying the troop increase in Iraq has failed to achieve its strategic goals.

    A Shiite fighter aims at Iraqi government troops in the Sadr City area of Baghdad during fighting this week.

    The classified National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, which was distributed to key lawmakers this week, sets the stage for the latest public progress report on Iraq that will be delivered Tuesday and Wednesday to congressional committees by Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, and Ambassador Ryan Crocker, the top U.S. diplomat in Baghdad.

    [B][I]"In my judgment, it's too rosy, but there are parts of it that are not so rosy, and both pieces need to be declassified," Sen. Carl Levin said, pointing in particular to the portion of the report describing Iraq's political progress. [/I][/B][I]can't help but laugh at a rat-winger like levin...:shakehead[/I]

    Levin chairs the Armed Services Committee, one of the panels Crocker and Petraeus will testify before next week.

    The top Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee, however, said the Democrats were complaining about the report because they did not like the report's finding and were trying to "politicize it."

    "Old adage from the Midwest: When you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, you know who's been hit by who hollers," said Sen. Kit Bond of Missouri. "All I can say is, the people who are *****ing obviously didn't like the results. I happen to have confidence in the analysis that's now being conducted.

    "From everything I know, it is a fair representation on what is going on in Iraq, and people will have the opportunity to question Gen. Petraeus and others," he said. "But the fact that it has not been released and you see some violent anti-war, anti-Iraq war people complaining about it lets you know what the general tone of it is."

    For their part, Bush administration officials have declined to characterize the findings of the intelligence estimate, largely because they do not want to get ahead of the public testimony from Petraeus and Crocker.

    The previous report on Iraq, issued last summer in advance of the first progress report from Petraeus and Crocker, suggested that progress was more uneven and the situation more precarious.

    Democrats are raising concerns that the new report is downplaying recent violence on the ground to strengthen the president's hand in advance of the Petraeus-Crocker testimony.

    One Democratic aide said the latest report "is not inconsistent with public statements on Iraq" made in recent Bush speeches casting the war in a more positive light by highlighting security and political gains in Iraq.

    A second Democratic aide criticized the intelligence estimate for not delving much further than recent news reports on Iraq, charging that it is "not a very useful or innovative intelligence analysis overall."

    Violence in Iraq recently increased after Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki launched a military operation in Basra on March 25 meant to root out criminals who had been carrying out indiscriminate attacks, burglaries and oil smuggling. Watch al-Maliki's big gamble

    The operation sparked fighting against the Iraqi troops and the multiple Shiite militias that control parts of the city, despite Iraqi and U.S. authorities' repeated insistence that militias weren't targeted.

    Much of the fighting occurred in strongholds of the Mehdi Army militia, loyal to radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. Firefights occurred in the Baghdad neighborhood of Sadr City as well as in Basra.

    On Friday, al-Maliki ordered a stop on the raids against the militias to "give time to those who are repentant" to lay down their weapons after al-Sadr offered to purge the Iraqi security forces of militia members.

    Democrats familiar with the report are also saying the 50-plus page document does not adequately delve into what impact U.S. troop reductions may have on the situation in Iraq.

    "It just seems to indicate that there is almost no consideration of alternatives to the status quo going on in government right now," one of the Democratic aides said.

    Sen. Joseph Biden said Friday that the troop surge had contributed to the reduction in violence since it started last year but that the political reconciliation that the reduction in violence was supposed to facilitate had not been realized.

    "The military has done its job. The violence has come down, but the Iraqis have not come together," said Biden, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. "That's like going from drowning to treading water."

    "This is kind of like 'Groundhog Day.' We're right back to where we were before the surge," he added.

    Petraeus and Crocker are also scheduled to appear before Biden's committee next week.

    Levin also said he expected Petraeus to recommend an indefinite pause in the withdrawal of troops from Iraq this summer, which he described as an "open-ended pause that compounds the problem of an open-ended policy."

    Levin and Sen. Edward Kennedy have called for John McConnell, the director of national intelligence, to declassify the report's key conclusions before Crocker and Petraeus testify.

    "This information is critical to the public debate in the coming weeks and months," Levin and Kennedy wrote in a letter to McConnell.


    The pair noted that unclassified versions of Iraq intelligence estimates have been released.

    "There is no compelling reason not to release an unclassified version of this latest NIE that summarizes the major conclusions and judgments of the classified report, while still protecting the sources and methods of our intelligence community," the two wrote
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    [url]http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/04/nie.iraq/[/url]

    these reports only matter when the NYSlimes cherry picks the bad news from them usually six months after they've been released....:rolleyes:

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    How are you supporting the war effort, forum fraud?

    Why aren't you serving?

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    [QUOTE=Press_Coverage;2465029]How are you supporting the war effort, forum fraud?

    Why aren't you serving?[/QUOTE]

    Why don't you pick up a gun and go with him in that case? Oh that's right you have to finish your crusade for hearts and minds on an obscure football internet message board. I'm going to serve in the Marines when I leave college, but that's neither here nor there, as CBTNY was criticizing Levin and the liberal media in the Northeast for ignoring any indicators of progress coming out of Iraq (there have been many) and for jumping on the first "failure" story they find.

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    [QUOTE=XingDaorong;2465035]Why don't you pick up a gun and go with him in that case? Oh that's right you have to finish your crusade for hearts and minds on an obscure football internet message board. I'm going to serve in the Marines when I leave college, but that's neither here nor there, as CBTNY was criticizing Levin and the liberal media in the Northeast for ignoring any indicators of progress coming out of Iraq (there have been many) and for jumping on the first "failure" story they find.[/QUOTE]

    give him a break....he forgot to put on his hockey helmet when the special bus came by to pick him up from his trailer park....

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    [QUOTE=Press_Coverage;2465029]How are you supporting the war effort, forum fraud?

    Why aren't you serving?[/QUOTE]

    Your not allowed to support the effort unless you serve??? So I guess most liberals arn't supporting s*it huh? Because we all know (espiecially now 5 years after the War started) that most of the Armed Forces is made up of Independents and Right Wingers.

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    [QUOTE=XingDaorong;2465035]Why don't you pick up a gun and go with him in that case? Oh that's right you have to finish your crusade for hearts and minds on an obscure football internet message board. I'm going to serve in the Marines when I leave college, but that's neither here nor there, as CBTNY was criticizing Levin and the liberal media in the Northeast for ignoring any indicators of progress coming out of Iraq (there have been many) and for jumping on the first "failure" story they find.[/QUOTE]

    This makes absolutely no sense. I'm not FOR the occupation that you and YOURS are gung-ho about. Why would I pick up a gun and help oppress a nation of 30 mill ... (oops, I mean 27 million now)?

    It's a put up-or-shut up proposition, really. You're in favor of imperialism, you go over and kick the doors in. Why not? Why should others do the fighting for you?

    Here's precisely how I picture guys like CBtNY:

    [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLpQT1ujELw"].[/URL]
    Last edited by Press_Coverage; 04-04-2008 at 07:26 PM.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2465039]give him a break....he forgot to put on his hockey helmet when the special bus came by to pick him up from his trailer park....[/QUOTE]

    What amazes me most is that the guy spends his time lecturing everyone here as if we are f*cking children. To him any news organization that does not have the terms bourgeois, proletariat, social justice, and a combination of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld with 'failure' is a news organization that has conned we the ignorant backwoods peasants of this culturally desolate nation. :yes:

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    [QUOTE=JerseyJet2007;2465056]Your not allowed to support the effort unless you serve??? So I guess most liberals arn't supporting s*it huh? Because we all know (espiecially now 5 years after the War started) that most of the Armed Forces is made up of Independents and Right Wingers.[/QUOTE]

    it's "reich wing"......and why would you expect a pea-brained spammer to actually address the topic of a thread????

    randi rodent isn't on the radio today hence he has no talking points...

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    [QUOTE=Press_Coverage;2465068]This makes absolutely no sense. I'm not FOR the occupation that you and YOURS are gung-ho about. Why would I pick up a gun and help oppress a nation of 30 mill ... (oops, I mean 27 million now)?

    It's a put up-or-shut up proposition, really. You're in favor of imperialism, you go over and kick the doors in. Why not? Why should others do the fighting for you?

    I mean, it's your ideological ally, Dick Cheney, who suggests they all volunteered, correct?[/QUOTE]

    So then you view the soldiers as the oppressor? Says a lot about who you are as a person that you would call troops from your own country the oppressors and the sub-human filth they fight the oppressed. If you want to talk imperialism then point your ill constructed arguments towards the Russians in Chechnya, the Chinese in Tibet, or the Moroccans in the Western Sahara. Cheney said this war would pay for itself, that is an imperialist statement, but the occupation never evolved into an annexation. Meaning that we are footing the bill while the Baghdad government dicks around until they can exert enough power and have enough stability to protect their sovereignty. That is [b]not[/b] imperialism.

    Also, what moral justification have you to condemn others for not serving when you yourself have never entertained the prospect? Serving in this nation's military is a choice, enlisting is mine, but it is not for many others. Just because one supports a continued occupation as the way to resolve this conflict does not mean they are to be despised and childishly condemned for not putting their lives on hold and enlisting.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2465074]it's "reich wing"......and why would you expect a pea-brained spammer to actually address the topic of a thread????

    randi rodent isn't on the radio today hence he has no talking points...[/QUOTE]

    "Pea brained spammer" is a generous term for a user that feels the need to make a V mask his avatar in order to indicate that he is left-wing with a visual.

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    [QUOTE=XingDaorong;2465094]"Pea brained spammer" is a generous term for a user that feels the need to make a V mask his avatar in order to indicate that he is left-wing with a visual.[/QUOTE]

    What a shame. While ideological opposites, you and I had maintained a respectful rapport for all my time here. In one wrathful outburst on your part, that's officially over now, isn't it? Very well.

    As for your statement above, what then is your excuse for your avatar visual of right winged war criminal Henry Kissinger?

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    [QUOTE=XingDaorong;2465035] I'm going to serve in the Marines when I leave college, .[/QUOTE]

    Not exactly on topic, but thanks in advance for your sacrifice.

    Aside from your loved ones, you probably don't hear that as often as you should.

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    [QUOTE=XingDaorong;2465085]So then you view the soldiers as the oppressor? [/QUOTE]

    No, I don't. Don't extrapolate. With that, the rest of your long-winded off-based deduction is irrelevant.

    The point was made in my first post, so you may want to reprogram just a bit and avoid dreaming up a scenario that doesn't remotely exist by way of leading, agenda-based questions.

    Why don't war proponents ever do the fighting? Why don't they pay into it? It's privatized anyway, right?

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    [QUOTE=Press_Coverage;2465101]What a shame. While ideological opposites, you and I had maintained a respectful rapport for all my time here. In one wrathful outburst on your part, that's officially over now, isn't it? Very well.

    As for your statement above, what then is your excuse for your avatar visual of right winged war criminal Henry Kissinger?[/QUOTE]

    What are you talking about? My Avatar is Curtis Martin pwning two Ravens defenders, Kissinger is someone else. And second off you're the one who called me an imperialist first (yeah I know, x-treme internet typewars).

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    [QUOTE=Press_Coverage;2465101]What a shame. While ideological opposites, you and I had maintained a respectful rapport for all my time here. In one wrathful outburst on your part, that's officially over now, isn't it? Very well.

    As for your statement above, what then is your excuse for your avatar visual of right winged war criminal Henry Kissinger?[/QUOTE]

    You should spend more time on the main board if you can't tell the difference between Henry Kissinger and Curtis Martin.

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    [QUOTE=OCCH;2465103]Not exactly on topic, but thanks in advance for your sacrifice.

    Aside from your loved ones, you probably don't hear that as often as you should.[/QUOTE]

    My parents can't stand the thought of me joining (my dad's a socialist to start), understandably of course, but thanks for your support man. :cool:

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    [QUOTE=XingDaorong;2465106][B]What are you talking about? My Avatar is Curtis Martin pwning two Ravens defenders, Kissinger is someone else. [/B]And second off you're the one who called me an imperialist first (yeah I know, x-treme internet typewars).[/QUOTE]

    hence the fitting evidence of what a lunatic, pea brained spammer this moron is...he mistakes Curtis Martin for Henry Kissenger...

    yeh- the similarites between the two are so obvious people usual confuse them for one another.....:rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=Press_Coverage;2465104]No, I don't. Don't extrapolate. With that, the rest of your long-winded off-based deduction is irrelevant.

    The point was made in my first post, so you may want to reprogram just a bit and avoid dreaming up a scenario that doesn't remotely exist by way of leading, agenda-based questions.

    Why don't war proponents ever do the fighting? Why don't they pay into it? It's privatized anyway, right?[/QUOTE]

    You said you didn't want to join because you would be oppressing a nation of 27 million, how many ways can you spin that comment?

    Second off check out the Vets for Freedom website, they have a larger membership than the IVAW and get next to no press attention. Also look into a writer for the National Review named Sgt. Pete Segheth, he did two tours in Iraq. Plenty of Iraq and Afghanistan War vets are pro-war.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2465119]hence the fitting evidence of what a lunatic, pea brained spammer this moron is...he mistakes Curtis Martin for Henry Kissenger...

    yeh- the similarites between the two are so obvious people usual confuse them for one another.....:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    Unless he thinks I am the user Henry Kissinger, but that's impossible since I've discussed politics with him here at the same time...:confused:

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    [QUOTE=Press_Coverage;2465101]What a shame. While ideological opposites, you and I had maintained a respectful rapport for all my time here. In one wrathful outburst on your part, that's officially over now, isn't it? Very well.

    As for your statement above, what then is your excuse for your avatar visual of right winged war criminal Henry Kissinger?[/QUOTE]
    [IMG]http://www.teesnthings.com/ProductImages/novelty/funny-t-shirts/village-idiot-tee-shirt.jpg[/IMG]

    Even more appropriate in this thread!

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