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    Charter School in MN, this will piss you off...

    I believe I read about a Charter School locally starting up a year or so ago...this is where your tax dollars are going.

    [url]http://www.startribune.com/local/17406054.html[/url]

    Teacher breaks wall of silence at state's Muslim public school
    By KATHERINE KERSTEN, Star Tribune

    Last update: April 9, 2008 - 9:53 AM



    Recently, I wrote about Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy (TIZA), a K-8 charter school in Inver Grove Heights. Charter schools are public schools and by law must not endorse or promote religion.

    Evidence suggests, however, that TIZA is an Islamic school, funded by Minnesota taxpayers.

    TIZA has many characteristics that suggest a religious school. It shares the headquarters building of the Muslim American Society of Minnesota, whose mission is "establishing Islam in Minnesota." The building also houses a mosque. TIZA's executive director, Asad Zaman, is a Muslim imam, or religious leader, and its sponsor is an organization called Islamic Relief.

    Students pray daily, the cafeteria serves halal food - permissible under Islamic law -- and "Islamic Studies" is offered at the end of the school day.

    Zaman maintains that TIZA is not a religious school. He declined, however, to allow me to visit the school to see for myself, "due to the hectic schedule for statewide testing." But after I e-mailed him that the Minnesota Department of Education had told me that testing would not begin for several weeks, Zaman did not respond -- even to urgent calls and e-mails seeking comment before my first column on TIZA.

    Now, however, an eyewitness has stepped forward. Amanda Getz of Bloomington is a substitute teacher. She worked as a substitute in two fifth-grade classrooms at TIZA on Friday, March 14. Her experience suggests that school-sponsored religious activity plays an integral role at TIZA.

    Arriving on a Friday, the Muslim holy day, she says she was told that the day's schedule included a "school assembly" in the gym after lunch.

    Before the assembly, she says she was told, her duties would include taking her fifth-grade students to the bathroom, four at a time, to perform "their ritual washing."

    Afterward, Getz said, "teachers led the kids into the gym, where a man dressed in white with a white cap, who had been at the school all day," was preparing to lead prayer. Beside him, another man "was prostrating himself in prayer on a carpet as the students entered."

    "The prayer I saw was not voluntary," Getz said. "The kids were corralled by adults and required to go to the assembly where prayer occurred."

    Islamic Studies was also incorporated into the school day. "When I arrived, I was told 'after school we have Islamic Studies,' and I might have to stay for hall duty," Getz said. "The teachers had written assignments on the blackboard for classes like math and social studies. Islamic Studies was the last one -- the board said the kids were studying the Qu'ran. The students were told to copy it into their planner, along with everything else. That gave me the impression that Islamic Studies was a subject like any other."

    After school, Getz's fifth-graders stayed in their classroom and the man in white who had led prayer in the gym came in to teach Islamic Studies. TIZA has in effect extended the school day -- buses leave only after Islamic Studies is over. Getz did not see evidence of other extra-curricular activity, except for a group of small children playing outside. Significantly, 77 percent of TIZA parents say that their "main reason for choosing TIZA ... was because of after-school programs conducted by various non-profit organizations at the end of the school period in the school building," according to a TIZA report. TIZA may be the only school in Minnesota with this distinction.

    Why does the Minnesota Department of Education allow this sort of religious activity at a public school? According to Zaman, the department inspects TIZA regularly -- and has done so "numerous times" -- to ensure that it is not a religious school.

    But the department's records document only three site visits to TIZA in five years -- two in 2003-04 and one in 2007, according to Assistant Commissioner Morgan Brown. None of the visits focused specifically on religious practices.

    The department is set up to operate on a "complaint basis," and "since 2004, we haven't gotten a single complaint about TIZA," Brown said. In 2004, he sent two letters to the school inquiring about religious activity reported by visiting department staffers and in a news article. Brown was satisfied with Zaman's assurance that prayer is "voluntary" and "student-led," he said. The department did not attempt to confirm this independently, and did not ask how 5- to 11-year-olds could be initiating prayer. (At the time, TIZA was a K-5 school.)

    Zaman agreed to respond by e-mail to concerns raised about the school's practices. Student "prayer is not mandated by TIZA," he wrote, and so is legal. On Friday afternoons, "students are released ... to either join a parent-led service or for study hall." Islamic Studies is provided by the Muslim American Society of Minnesota, and other "nonsectarian" after-school options are available, he added.

    Yet prayer at TIZA does not appear to be spontaneously initiated by students, but rather scheduled, organized and promoted by school authorities.

    Request for volunteers

    Until recently, TIZA's website included a request for volunteers to help with "Friday prayers." In an e-mail, Zaman explained this as an attempt to ensure that "no TIZA staff members were involved in organizing the Friday prayers."

    But an end run of this kind cannot remove the fact of school sponsorship of prayer services, which take place in the school building during school hours. Zaman does not deny that "some" Muslim teachers "probably" attend. According to federal guidelines on prayer in schools, teachers at a public school cannot participate in prayer with students.

    In addition, schools cannot favor one religion by offering services for only its adherents, or promote after-school religious instruction for only one group. The ACLU of Minnesota has launched an investigation of TIZA, and the Minnesota Department of Education has also begun a review.

    TIZA's operation as a public, taxpayer-funded school is troubling on several fronts. TIZA is skirting the law by operating what is essentially an Islamic school at taxpayer expense. The Department of Education has failed to provide the oversight necessary to catch these illegalities, and appears to lack the tools to do so. In addition, there's a double standard at work here -- if TIZA were a Christian school, it would likely be gone in a heartbeat.

    TIZA is now being held up as a national model for a new kind of charter school. If it passes legal muster, Minnesota taxpayers may soon find themselves footing the bill for a separate system of education for Muslims.

    Katherine Kersten [email]kkersten@startribune.com[/email]

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    I heard this on the Radio this morning, only in Minnesota would this be allowed. If a Christian or Jew tried this the school would be shut down in a NY Minute! BTW did you know A Muslim is not allowed to hold office in a secular country.

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    As I said in the thread about the NYC public school, it is wrong to pay for this nonsense with public money.

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    [QUOTE=HDCentStOhio;2471404]As I said in the thread about the NYC public school, it is wrong to pay for this nonsense with public money.[/QUOTE]

    It's [I]more[/I] than wrong imho

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    Disturbing.
    Not surprising IMO.
    This is the same government that has incorporated "alternate sexual lifestyles" into K-12 students in California. Regardless of what parents think of it.:steamin:

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    [QUOTE=HDCentStOhio;2471404]As I said in the thread about the NYC public school, it is wrong to pay for this nonsense with public money.[/QUOTE]

    just as wrong as it is for public funding of Christian/Jewish/Atheist/Hindu/etc schools

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    [QUOTE=jetswin;2471389]I believe I read about a Charter School locally starting up a year or so ago...this is where your tax dollars are going.

    [url]http://www.startribune.com/local/17406054.html[/url]

    Teacher breaks wall of silence at state's Muslim public school
    By KATHERINE KERSTEN, Star Tribune

    Last update: April 9, 2008 - 9:53 AM



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    How come the ACLU isn't taking this one on? :rolleyes:

    If it was a Christian school everyone would be all over this in a heartbeat.

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    [QUOTE=Tanginius;2471446]just as wrong as it is for public funding of Christian/Jewish/Atheist/Hindu/etc schools[/QUOTE]

    I don't think he's disputing that.

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    [QUOTE=JetinHuntersville;2471449]How come the ACLU isn't taking this one on? :rolleyes:

    If it was a Christian school everyone would be all over this in a heartbeat.[/QUOTE]

    They are. Towards the end the ACLU is mentioned:

    [QUOTE]In addition, schools cannot favor one religion by offering services for only its adherents, or promote after-school religious instruction for only one group. [B]The ACLU of Minnesota has launched an investigation of TIZA[/B], and the Minnesota Department of Education has also begun a review. [/QUOTE]

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    But only after the newspapers started an uproar!

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    [QUOTE=jetswin;2471409]It's [I]more[/I] than wrong imho[/QUOTE]

    what's more than wrong - really really wrong?

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    My question, how long until a school like this start teaching extreme islamic view? And to think we are paying for it. And no school like this should be funded with pulic money.

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    Reminds me of the whole Kiryas Joel thing...

    Should be ruled unconstitutional. It is Minnesota, though...

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    There's probably hundreds of these schools in Canada.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;2471484]what's more than wrong - really really wrong?[/QUOTE]

    Well let's see, public money funding schools that teach Islam, however Christmas is almost an unspoken bad word in some districts. Imagine a Priest leading prayers or a Rabbi for that matter in a public school, how would that play?

    I know it's polically incorrect to be outraged by things like this so color me polically incorrect.

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan;2471403]I heard this on the Radio this morning, only in Minnesota would this be allowed. If a Christian or Jew tried this the school would be shut down in a NY Minute! BTW did you know A Muslim is not allowed to hold office in a secular country.[/QUOTE]

    You mean, like Turkey?

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    [QUOTE=JetinHuntersville;2471449]How come the ACLU isn't taking this one on? :rolleyes:

    If it was a Christian school everyone would be all over this in a heartbeat.[/QUOTE]the ACLU is getting involved.

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    well....


    not that I think schools should turn into religious centers...

    but Charter Schools are a little different from public schools, they receive less money from the state (anywhere from 20%-40% less per student) and receive the rest of the money from private investors.

    Also, Charter schools are sort of there to provide an alternative to public schools and the curriculum they teach.

    I guess it is sort of a dangerous path, because eventually a school that may have been established in 1990 could potentially become something very different in 28 years.

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