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    Obama makes major gains

    [B][SIZE="4"]Ongoing nomination fight hurting Clinton more than Obama[/SIZE][/B]

    By CHARLES BABINGTON and TREVOR TOMPSON, Associated Press Writers
    WASHINGTON (AP) [B] In a dramatic reversal, an Associated Press-Yahoo! News poll found that a clear majority of Democratic voters now say Sen. Barack Obama has a better chance of defeating Republican Sen. John McCain in November than Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.[/B]

    While Obama and Clinton are both sustaining dents and dings from their lengthy presidential fight, the former first lady is clearly suffering more. Democratic voters no longer see her as the party's strongest contender for the White House.

    Voters of all types have gotten a better sense of Obama, who was an obscure Illinois legislator just four years ago. As more people moved from the "I don't know him" category in the AP-Yahoo! News poll, more rated Obama as inexperienced, unethical and dishonest. And 15 percent erroneously think he's a Muslim, thanks in part to disinformation widely spread on the Internet.

    But Obama's positive ratings have climbed as well, while Clinton widely known since the early 1990s has been less able to change people's views of her. And when those views have shifted, it has hurt her more than helped.

    The New York senator's ratings for being honest, likable, ethical and refreshing have fallen since January, and Obama scores higher than she does in all those categories.

    In late January, before Obama scored 11 straight primary and caucus victories, 56 percent of Democrats saw Clinton as the stronger nominee, compared to 33 percent for Obama. Now, Obama leads on that question, 56 to 43 percent.

    Still, the poll, conducted by Knowledge Networks, contains some worrisome signs for the first-term senator. Those rating him as "not at all honest," for example, jumped from 18 percent last fall to 27 percent in April. It came as he was put on the defensive over incendiary comments by his former pastor. But many holding such views are Republicans or conservative independents, who would be unlikely to vote in a Democratic primary or support a Democrat in the fall, anyway.

    The most encouraging sign for Obama is that many Democrats who previously saw Clinton as their party's best hope now give him that role. About one-third of them still prefer Clinton, but they have lost confidence in her electability.

    "I would love to vote for Hillary," said Nancy Costello of Bellevue, Ky., one of the more than 1,800 randomly selected adults whose opinions are rechecked every few months. "I'm 67, and I'll probably never get another chance to vote for a woman."

    But Obama now appears to be the stronger candidate, she said, and electing a Democrat in November is paramount. If McCain wins and continues many of President Bush's economic and foreign policies, Costello said, "I think I would just sit down and cry."

    By tracking the same group throughout the campaign, the AP-Yahoo! News poll can gauge how individual views change. It suggests that Clinton has paid a price for hammering Obama since early February on several issues as she tries to overcome his lead in delegates and the popular vote. Among those Democrats who no longer consider her the more electable of the two, most now see her as less likable, decisive, strong, honest, experienced and ethical than they did in January.

    Meanwhile, those same voters are more likely to see Obama as strong, honest and refreshing than before.

    Beulah Barton of Leesburg, Fla., said she initially backed Clinton, partly because she liked Bill Clinton's record as president.

    "But the more I hear her talk, and the more I hear him talk, the more put off I am," said Barton, 69. "I think she's brash, I think she's rude. I get the feeling that she feels she deserves to be president" and doesn't need "to earn it."

    Barton said she likes Obama, and ignores e-mails suggesting that he refuses to salute the flag or is somehow threatening "because of his name."

    "People try to make him look like a traitor," she said. "I think he has risen above most of that stuff."

    Some misinformation sticks, however. The great majority of the poll's participants said this month they did not know the religious affiliation of Clinton (a Methodist) or Obama (United Church of Christ). But 15 percent ventured that Obama, whose father was Kenyan, is a Muslim.

    That group includes more Democrats than Republicans, and it doesn't necessarily worry them.

    Randi Estes, a Democrat from Ada, Okla., said she prefers Clinton but feels Obama is likely to win the nomination. "He's gotten very strong media coverage, and Bill Clinton's not helping her a bit," said Estes, 36, who has four children under the age of 6.

    Speaking of Obama, she said, "I have a sense he's a Muslim."

    If Obama wins the nomination, the poll indicates he will need to mend his image a bit as he battles McCain for independents and soft Republicans. His favorability rating among all voters has declined, with those ranking him as "very unfavorable" growing from 17 percent in January to 25 percent in April. Most of them are Republicans and independents.

    In January, 30 percent of Republicans rated Obama very unfavorably. That grew to 43 percent in April. Among the coveted independents, 12 percent had a very unfavorable view of Obama in January. That has nearly doubled to 23 percent.

    Obama would be the first black president, and the survey detected some evidence of racial discomfort in voters' minds. It found that about 8 percent of whites would be uncomfortable voting for a black for president. It produced an estimate of about 13 percent of Republicans who would feel that way, but suggested very few if any Democrats would now be uncomfortable. In November, about 5 percent of Democrats indicated discomfort at voting for a black person for president.

    For Allen Lovell, a moderate Democrat in Everett, Wash., race is unimportant, but replacing Bush with a Democrat is vital. And lately he has concluded that Obama probably has the better chance of beating McCain.

    "I am leaning towards him, not because he's black because I'm white but because we definitely need a change," said Lovell, 50.

    He said the Democratic campaign has lasted too long, but there is one topic he'd like to hear more about. Lovell, who guessed that Obama is "either Christian or Muslim," said: "I don't think we're getting enough information on religion" from the candidates.

    The survey of 1,844 adults was conducted April 2-14 and had an overall margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.3 percentage points. Included were interviews with 863 Democrats, for whom the margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3.3 points, and 668 Republicans, with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.8 points.

    The poll was conducted over the Internet by Knowledge Networks. It initially contacted people using traditional telephone polling methods, and followed with online interviews. People chosen for the study who had no Internet access were given it for free.

    [url]http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-gains[/url]

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    Change.

    Hope.

    Rinse, Wash, Repeat.......

    And you talk down to OTHERS about Spin? That whole article was nothing BUT Spin.

    Priceless.

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    It is truly amazing to me how the media and the democrats turned on the Clinton's. They were their darlings for the last 16 years. Now all of sudden they turn their backs on them for a guy who gave a speech in 2004 that he didnt even write?

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    [QUOTE=mallamalla;2487766]It is truly amazing to me how the media and the democrats turned on the Clinton's. They were their darlings for the last 16 years. Now all of sudden they turn their backs on them for a guy who gave a speech in 2004 that he didnt even write?[/QUOTE]

    Indeed. Kinda like how Republican media called John McCain a "traitorus coward who caved to the North Vietnamese" and how he fathered an illegitimate black chile but now he is their candidate.

    Ain't it funny?

    [url]http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Dobson_vote_McCain/2008/02/01/69333.html?s=al&promo_code=4445-1[/url]

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2487721]Change.

    Hope.

    Rinse, Wash, Repeat.......

    And you talk down to OTHERS about Spin? That whole article was nothing BUT Spin.

    Priceless.[/QUOTE]

    The statistics from the polls have shown that Obama has overcome the gossip "news" stories. On that point, where is the spin from this source?
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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;2487853]The statistics from the polls[/QUOTE]

    Ah, the only thing that matters to some folks. Polls = Reality, right? Sure it does.

    After all, I am sure the almost comical streak of verbal gaffes, insults and controversial associations hasn't done ANY harm to Obama's image of the "Candidate of New, of Change, of Hope".

    A joke in and of itself of course, but the POLLS (at least your polls, no bias possible there either, right?) say he's "risen above" it all, just like the article, which I have to wonder if it might have been written by an actual campaign staffer it's so fluffer-y in it's praise.

    The level of shillatude in this forum is stunning. Although, I suppose after all these yeas of reading it, I shouldn't be suprised at how many folks buy the BS they get fed hook, line and sinker.

    Hope!

    Change!

    Right.:rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2487949]Ah, the only thing that matters to some folks. Polls = Reality, right? Sure it does.

    After all, I am sure the almost comical streak of verbal gaffes, insults and controversial associations hasn't done ANY harm to Obama's image of the "Candidate of New, of Change, of Hope".

    A joke in and of itself of course, but the POLLS (at least your polls, no bias possible there either, right?) say he's "risen above" it all, just like the article, which I have to wonder if it might have been written by an actual campaign staffer it's so fluffer-y in it's praise.

    [B]The level of shillatude in this forum is stunning. Although, I suppose after all these yeas of reading it, I shouldn't be suprised at how many folks buy the BS they get fed hook, line and sinker. [/B]

    Hope!

    Change!

    Right.:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    and yet you are doing the exact same thing that you trash other posters for doing. I could fill this space up with entries from you where you post how tired you are of reading responses that rip sources. ;)

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;2487974]and yet you are doing the exact same thing that you trash other posters for doing. I could fill this space up with entries from you where you post how tired you are of reading responses that rip sources. ;)[/QUOTE]

    I'm tired of blatant dishonest hypocrites......who post their cute little talking points articles written by partisans from some of the deepest left (or right) sites around, and then...in the same friggin breath....have the "audacity of hope" to criticise other folks sources as somehow illegitimate and offensive and propaganda-esque because they are biased.

    You're a talking point waiting to happen. If you're proud of that, so be it. I just hope you don't think too many people (outside your "side" of course) take a single word you post in here seriously. You have no opinions of your own, only the ones your sides Dept. of Information gives you.

    The difference between you and I, is I don't buy EITHER sides BS propaganda. So at the very least, at least I am not a bald-faced Hypocrite.:rolleyes:

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    I think one of the eternal truths of politics is that no matter who gets elected, somebody is going to get scr*wed. The question is whether it will be you, or the guy next door, or the fella on the other side of the railroad tracks. Hope means hope for the guys who were left out the last time around. Change means that "it's my turn, buster, you had your shot..." and wisdom means that you shouldn't expect it to be any other way in the great pendulum that is our democratic republic.

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    [QUOTE=long island leprechaun;2488007]I think one of the eternal truths of politics is that no matter who gets elected, somebody is going to get scr*wed. The question is whether it will be you, or the guy next door, or the fella on the other side of the railroad tracks. Hope means hope for the guys who were left out the last time around. Change means that "it's my turn, buster, you had your shot..." and wisdom means that you shouldn't expect it to be any other way in the great pendulum that is our democratic republic.[/QUOTE]

    So, who's getting screwed this coming round then, if (as I fully expect) Clinton or Obama win the election?

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2487996]I'm tired of blatant dishonest hypocrites......who post their cute little talking points articles written by partisans from some of the deepest left (or right) sites around, and then...in the same friggin breath....have the "audacity of hope" to criticise other folks sources as somehow illegitimate and offensive and propaganda-esque because they are biased.

    You're a talking point waiting to happen. If you're proud of that, so be it. I just hope you don't think too many people (outside your "side" of course) take a single word you post in here seriously. You have no opinions of your own, only the ones your sides Dept. of Information gives you.

    The difference between you and I, is I don't buy EITHER sides BS propaganda. So at the very least, at least I am not a bald-faced Hypocrite.:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    Simple question; [B]If I am a talking point for lefties and do not have a mind of my own, why will I vote for McCain in November over Hillary Clinton?[/B]

    If the year was 1967 (and there was an internet), you would be saying how I hate democrats and love the right. Why? Because I believe that The Johnson adminstration's actions during the Vietnam war was [B]criminal.[/B]

    what I am against is gross, abuse of power. Whether it is done by democrats or republicans. period. It is irrelevant whether you believe that or not.
    Last edited by intelligentjetsfan; 04-18-2008 at 11:02 AM.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;2488031]Simple question; [B]If I am a talking point for lefties and do not have a mind of my own, why will I vote for McCain in November over Hillary Clinton?[/B][/QUOTE]

    Simple Answer: It's easy to say something on the interweb. Just cause you say it, doesn't make it true in any form.

    Frankly, I do not believe you for a second. If you support Omaba-esque Policies, you ALSO support Clinton, as her Policy positions are very very similar to Obama, if slightly more moderate. There is little difference between the two.

    McCain is far more Conservative than both. So either you support Obama for something OTHER than his policieis and political positions (which makes one question that validity of any opinion you post in here if something other than policy means more to you), or you're simply not being honest above, as a means to try and bolster a failing argument.

    You tell me......how does one go from the most deeply Liberal Candidate available, to the most Conservative in one swing, skipping over an almost equally Liberal Alternative?

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2488052]You tell me......how does one go from the most deeply Liberal Candidate available, to the most Conservative in one swing, skipping over an almost equally Liberal Alternative?[/QUOTE]


    Easy. Maybe IntelJetFan wants to vote for someone who bucks the system. Obama's whole campaign is about(?) changing normal Washington politics. McCain is/was considered a maverick. Clinton is about as inside the beltway as one could get.

    I could see how he could set his elections brackets to go Obama/McCain/Clinton. In fact, I think there is a huge segment of the population that will vote the same way. maybe.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2488092]Easy. Maybe IntelJetFan wants to vote for someone who bucks the system. Obama's whole campaign is about(?) changing normal Washington politics. McCain is/was considered a maverick. Clinton is about as inside the beltway as one could get.

    I could see how he could set his elections brackets to go Obama/McCain/Clinton. In fact, I think there is a huge segment of the population that will vote the same way. maybe.[/QUOTE]

    On what planet does McCain "buck the system"? Are you actually telling me you buy his "Maverick" BS?

    My Lord.....

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2488052]Simple Answer: It's easy to say something on the interweb. Just cause you say it, doesn't make it true in any form.

    Frankly, I do not believe you for a second. If you support Omaba-esque Policies, you ALSO support Clinton, as her Policy positions are very very similar to Obama, if slightly more moderate. There is little difference between the two.

    McCain is far more Conservative than both. So either you support Obama for something OTHER than his policieis and political positions (which makes one question that validity of any opinion you post in here if something other than policy means more to you), or you're simply not being honest above, as a means to try and bolster a failing argument.

    You tell me......how does one go from the most deeply Liberal Candidate available, to the most Conservative in one swing, skipping over an almost equally Liberal Alternative?[/QUOTE]

    Because I do not believe a word she says. Therefore, it is irrelevant what she CLAIMS to stands for. I believe she is corrupt and her administration would be so as well. Just like republicans that support Bush because he is supposed to be pious. Then watch as his actions with the Iraq war is anything but.

    And again, with respect, it is irrelevant to me whether you think I am telling the truth about who I will vote for. But answer me this; What would be the point of lying about that here? What difference could it possibly make?

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2488092]Easy. Maybe IntelJetFan wants to vote for someone who bucks the system. Obama's whole campaign is about(?) changing normal Washington politics. McCain is/was considered a maverick. Clinton is about as inside the beltway as one could get.

    I could see how he could set his elections brackets to go Obama/McCain/Clinton. In fact, I think there is a huge segment of the population that will vote the same way. maybe.[/QUOTE]

    [B][SIZE="5"]BINGO[/SIZE][/B]

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    [B][SIZE="5"]Hamas Endorses Obooma.... Otherwise known as The black Jimmy(sissy)Carter[/SIZE][/B]

    [url]http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/04/020315.php[/url]

    [QUOTE]April 16, 2008
    Hamas Endorses Obama


    On Sunday, Aaron Klein and John Batchelor interviewed Ahmed Yousef, chief political adviser to the Prime Minister of Hamas, on WABC radio. The interview produced a scoop which, for some reason, has not been widely publicized: Hamas has endorsed Barack Obama for President. Yousef said, "We like Mr. Obama and we hope he will win the election." Why? "He has a vision to change America." Maybe Yousef has some insight into what Obama means by all these vague references to "change."

    Of course, Hamas's taste in American presidents is suspect. Yousef also described Jimmy Carter, who was about to pay a call on Hamas when the interview was taped, as "this noble man" who "did an excellent job as President."

    Yousef was asked about Obama's condemnation of Carter's visit with Hamas, but didn't seem troubled by it. Hamas, he says, understands American politics; this is the election season, and everyone wants to sound like a friend of Israel. Nevertheless, he hopes that the Democrats will change American policies when they take office.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;2488110]Because I do not believe a word she says.[/QUOTE]

    I see. So perhaps you're not a Democrat Shill after all.

    You just one who bought the "Change" and "Hope" Propaganda without any vetting whatsoever, without caring where he stands on issues, and now that you've made up your mind, you refuse to accept that ANYTHING could be wrong with your Messianic Candiate and His "Audacity of Making People Believe I'm New and Different".

    Good for you. You and Bit can revel in Obama's "ironic cool" together.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2488103]On what planet does McCain "buck the system"? Are you actually telling me you buy his "Maverick" BS?

    My Lord.....[/QUOTE]

    Me? No...that why I typed [B]"is/was considered"[/B], silly.

    Besides, you're the one calling him a conservative...which is kinda funny. Tell me you don't buy into that b.s. Sorta like Bush being a conservative :rolleyes::D



    Conservative?! What? Where?

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2488128]Me? No...that why I typed [B]"is/was considered"[/B], silly.

    Besides, you're the one calling him a conservative...which is kinda funny. Tell me you don't buy into that b.s. Sorta like Bush being a conservative :rolleyes::D



    Conservative?! What? Where?[/QUOTE]

    He's a Conservative-Leaning Moderate. Who seels out his beliefs at a moments notice for Political Expediency. Yep, THAT'S a real "Maverick".

    This country is doomed.

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