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    Bibi Netanyahu: 9-11 attacks beneficial for Israel

    [QUOTE] [B]Report: Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel[/B]
    By Haaretz Service and Reuters

    The Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv on Wednesday reported that [B]Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel.[/B]
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    "We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," [/B]Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that[B] these events "swung American public opinion in our favor."
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    Netanyahu reportedly made the comments during a conference at Bar-Ilan University on the division of Jerusalem as part of a peace deal with the Palestinians.
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    Meanwhile, Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad cast doubt over the veracity of the September 11 attacks Thursday, calling it a pretext to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

    "Four or five years ago, a suspicious event occurred in New York. A building collapsed and they said that 3,000 people had been killed but never published their names," Ahmadinejad told Iranians in the holy city of Qom.

    "Under this pretext, they [the U.S.] attacked Afghanistan and Iraq and since then, a million people have been killed only in Iraq."

    Speaking Wednesday at a news confereance on the Iran threat, Netanyahu compared Ahmadinejad to Adolf Hitler and likened Tehran's nuclear program to the threat the Nazis posed to Europe in the late 1930s.

    Netanyahu said Iran differed from the Nazis in one vital respect, explaining that "where that [Nazi] regime embarked on a global conflict before it developed nuclear weapons," he said. "This regime [Iran] is developing nuclear weapons before it embarks on a global conflict."

    [url]http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/975574.html[/url][/QUOTE]

    Wow! Ive always known Netanyahu was a scumbag but this is really low. How pathetic to say that the worst terror attack on a supposed allie that took some 3000+ lives was of benefit to Israel. This man has no shame.

    If any other former leader ever said this in public they would have been trashed by the US media. Why does this jerk off get a free pass??? Will the US MSM even mention this story?? I wouldnt hold my breath .

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    Prediction: This thread will get ugly. I sense deflections to the dancing Israelis in N.J. that day, and other unflattering 9/11 curiousities that have been covered.

    Before it gets rolling, let's all repeat to ourselves and remember:

    Judaism is not entirely Israel. Israel is not entirely Mossad.

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    He also said the same thing on an America news broadcast on that fateful day.
    If anyone can find video if it post, because like after he said it, you could see
    him kind of cringe as if realizing how messed up sounding what he had just said.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;2489030]Wow! Ive always known Netanyahu was a scumbag but this is really low. How pathetic to say that the worst terror attack on a supposed allie that took some 3000+ lives was of benefit to Israel. This man has no shame.

    If any other former leader ever said this in public they would have been trashed by the US media. Why does this jerk off get a free pass??? Will the US MSM even mention this story?? I wouldnt hold my breath .[/QUOTE]

    I don't see what is so bad about what he is saying;

    if the attacks on 9-11 result in a stronger US-Isreali alliance and also results in US military force being used against enemies of Isreal well then doesn't that fall in the category of being beneficial.

    Maybe his words weren't chosen carefully enough, although I am not sure we have the entire quote.

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    [QUOTE=piney;2489492]I don't see what is so bad about what he is saying;

    if the attacks on 9-11 result in a stronger US-Isreali alliance and also results in US military force being used against enemies of Isreal well then doesn't that fall in the category of being beneficial.

    Maybe his words weren't chosen carefully enough, although I am not sure we have the entire quote.[/QUOTE]

    US-Israeli alliance was strong enough. Gloating that the slaughter of 3000 Americans resulted in a stronger alliance is outright dispicable

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    Kenyo your obsession with Israel knows no bounds. In a thread that you started about Carter and Hamas your Israeli attacks typically brought out the anti-Semites hiding behind the cloak of I don't dislike Jews, I just dislike Zionists. Of course their true colors came out with holocaust denying, Christ killing, Jews have all the money, control the media, Hollywood censoring Mel Gibson etc. You being asked to comment on this only had to offer up that this stuff is like saying Greeks own all the diners and then abandoned that this to start this one.

    No you post this sh*t like it proves something other than a political fact. Of course you wouldn't dare post this about the true celebrators of 9/11.
    [QUOTE]Celebrations of the September 11, 2001 attacks
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Cartoon that PMW believe to be part of a long tradition of Palestinian celebrating the September 11, 2001 Attacks.[1] - Published by Al-Hayat al-Jadida, Palestinain Authority official daily newspaper, on September 12, 2007.The September 11, 2001 attacks occasioned spontaneous outbreaks of public celebration in a number of Arab Muslim communities. Press and television coverage of these celebrations focused on the Middle East and were met with shock and outrage in the United States.

    As a later response, Muslim groups, mostly from the USA, vocally distanced themselves from such behavior and also condemned it.[2]

    Contents [hide]
    1 World reaction
    2 Reports
    3 Palestinian Authority reaction
    4 Palestinian media reaction
    5 Authenticity
    5.1 Rebroadcast footage
    5.2 Germany's Panorama
    6 References
    7 External links



    [edit] World reaction
    Official reaction was almost universal in condemning the attacks, including from countries considered hostile to the U.S. such as Libya, North Korea and Syria. [3] In Iran for example thousands participated in candlelit vigils, while a minute's silence was held at Tehran's football stadium. [4] The sole exception was Iraq, which said of the attacks that "The American cowboys are reaping the fruit of their crimes against humanity."[5] Saddam Hussein would later offer sympathy to the Americans killed in the attacks.[6].


    [edit] Reports
    Reports and images of Palestinians from East Jerusalem and the West Bank taking to the streets in jubilation, chanting 'Allāhu Akbar' (God is (the) greatest), passing along sweets in praise of Bin Laden (The US primary suspect[7]), honking car horns, holding up the V sign for victory and holding up Palestinian flags were broadcast around the world, and most American networks aired the images. In addition, many newspapers, magazines, Web sites and wire services ran photographs of the festivities.[8][9][10][11](VIDEO)
    On the day of the attacks, The Times (British) and Fox News (American) reported that 3,000 celebrants were pouring into the streets of Nablus and dozens of people were celebrating in the traditional gesture of handing out sweets. The Times notes that in traditionally Arab East Jerusalem, there was a smaller gathering of about two dozen people.[12] FOX News adds that in Ein el-Hilweh (Lebanon), where about 75,000 Palestinians live, and also in Rashidiyeh camp south of Tyre, revelers fired weapons in the air.[13]
    The Times also quoted Nawal Abdel Fatah, a Palestinian woman (age 48) saying she was happy because "America is the head of the snake, America always stands by Israel in its war against us". Her daughter Maysoon (age 22), expressed hopes that the next attack would be against Tel Aviv.[12][14](VIDEO)

    [edit] Palestinian Authority reaction
    The Palestinian Authority, which had immediately condemned the September 11th attacks, moved to censor further reports of public celebrations, claiming that they were unrepresentative of the Palestinian people. The Palestinian information minister Yasser Abed Rabbo said the Palestinian Authority would not allow "a few kids" to "smear the real face of the Palestinians". Ahmed Abdel Rahman, Arafat's Cabinet secretary, said the Palestinian Authority could not "guarantee the life" of an Associated Press cameraman if footage he filmed of post-9/11 celebrations was broadcast. Rahman's statement prompted a formal protest from the AP bureau chief, Dan Perry.[15][16][11].

    A few days after the September 11th attacks, Yasser Arafat was shown on camera reported as symbolically donating blood for victims of the attacks.[17] However, Charles Enderlin of France 2 TV, has stated that the scene was staged as the doctor only placed a needle next to his arm and agitated a bag of blood while reporters took photographs.[18]


    [edit] Palestinian media reaction
    While the celebrations and ensuing controversy were widely covered in the United States and Europe, Arab condemnations of the attacks and the celebrations went widely unreported.[citation needed] The Palestinian media, however, quickly condemned the celebrations as an unrepresentative example of public opinion that was being exploited to vilify the Palestinian people. The lead editorial in Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, for example, wrote:

    "Those ignorant few who did that [celebrate] do not represent our public opinion. In fact, such ignorant behavior might have happened in other parts of the world, but unfortunately the cameras did not reach them..." [19]



    Palestinian children, reported to be celebrating the September 11 attacks.There was an urban legend that the footage of some Palestinians celebrating the attacks was stock footage of Palestinian reactions to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, a decade prior to 2001.[20] This rumor was proven false shortly afterwards,[21] and CNN issued a statement to that effect.[22][/QUOTE]
    [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrations_of_the_September_11,_2001_attacks"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrations_of_the_September_11,_2001_attacks[/URL]
    Doesn't it make sense that Americans would sympathize more with Israel for how they have to live in a world where others try to kill their civlians and after seiing these celebrations of our deaths? The eyes of Americans were truly opened to the realities of the Middle East. Granted to come out and say it in this inarticulate manner that Netanyahu did was not too bright, but that doesn't mean he said something that was incorrect or was happy about our tragedy.

    These threads that are now on our board prove even stronger that many of those with a beef with Israel are just using it as a cloak for their anti-Semitism.

    Shame on you Kenyo. I expected better from you.
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    [QUOTE=Queens Jet Fan;2489610]Kenyo your obsession with Israel knows no bounds. In a thread that you started about Carter and Hamas your Israeli attacks typically brought out the anti-Semites hiding behind the cloak of I don't dislike Jews, I just dislike Zionists. Of course their true colors came out with holocaust denying, Christ killing, Jews have all the money, control the media, Hollywood censoring Mel Gibson etc. You being asked to comment on this only had to offer up that this stuff is like saying Greeks own all the diners and then abandoned that this to start this one.

    No you post this sh*t like it proves something other than a political fact. Of course you wouldn't dare post this about the true celebrators of 9/11.

    [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrations_of_the_September_11,_2001_attacks"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrations_of_the_September_11,_2001_attacks[/URL]
    Doesn't it make sense that Americans would sympathize more with Israel for how they have to live in a world where others try to kill their civlians and after seiing these celebrations of our deaths? The eyes of Americans were truly opened to the realities of the Middle East. Granted to come out and say it in this inarticulate manner that Netanyahu did was not too bright, but that doesn't mean he said something that was incorrect or was happy about our tragedy.

    These threads that are now on our board prove even stronger that many of those with a beef with Israel are just using it as a cloak for their anti-Semitism.

    Shame on you Kenyo. I expected better from you.[/QUOTE]

    No shame on you. A former head of state makes an assinine and insulting statement and you run behind the typical excuse "this is a cloak for anti-Semitism". No it is not. This is a legitimate criticism. A criticism that the US media refuses to print. Yes Israel is an allie. Yes we should sympathize with them when they face such disgusting terror attacks by militants. But that is no excuse for what Bibi said. And that is not a reason to ignore the attrocities the Palestinian people face. Are there idiots amongst Palestinians that celebrated 9/11??? Absolutely. But i bet you any amount of $$ that they are in the minority. The US media focuses on them.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;2489671]No shame on you. A former head of state makes an assinine and insulting statement and you run behind the typical excuse "this is a cloak for anti-Semitism". No it is not. This is a legitimate criticism. A criticism that the US media refuses to print. Yes Israel is an allie. Yes we should sympathize with them when they face such disgusting terror attacks by militants. But that is no excuse for what Bibi said. And that is not a reason to ignore the attrocities the Palestinian people face. Are there idiots amongst Palestinians that celebrated 9/11??? Absolutely. But i bet you any amount of $$ that they are in the minority. The US media focuses on them.[/QUOTE]
    He made a politically astute observation though it was not a politically correct thing to say. I fail to see the reason for great outrage. Amazing that this statement would bother you more than the cheering of people in the streets over the murder of Americans.

    What is also amazing is your apparent insight into the Palestinian people. You of all people know that Palestineans, even Hamas, want peace with Israel and only a small minority of them were cheering 9/11. Of course all statements from those in the know and observations of the Palestian street scene show the contrary but you here sitting in the comfort of your home know better.

    Also am continuously amazed that you have still not spoken out on this board about the blatant anti-Semitism in the thread you started. As a matter of fact your only comment on the matter was defending what they said about controlling Hollywood. Speaks volumes.

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    The Media showed the same video of the same five people dancing as the towers fell on 9-11 over and over and over. Then we had to hear how all the arabs were dancing in the streets. Then we watched the same video of the same five people again over and over and over. If there was such widspread celebrations in the thousands, like we were told there was, wheres the videos of those clebrations ?

    I still have not seen a reaction of Ariel Sharons Comments in the other thread or abou the mossad agents cheering as the towers fell . Wonder why ? Or about the mossad agents caught with numerous tapes of the sears tower that flight 93 was heading for beofre it was Shot down (in the words of Our own Donald Rumsfeld)

    9-11 investigations were a joke and there are a hell of alot of americans seeking the truth of what happened that day. I have a feeling the mossad has a damn good idea what happened . Just like they have a good Idea about the USS Liberty you know the ship that had a huge American Flag flying high !!

    When it comes to being an American or a TRUE american you better damn well question alot of things that happened on that day cause right now all we have are lies.

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    Netanyahu is what he is a man who wants to be the leader of Israel based on fear and propoganda. Fortunately he has been repudiated time and again by the Israeli population. Unfortunately the longer things continue as they are his ilk will continue to get more traction.

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    [QUOTE=Queens Jet Fan;2489849]He made a politically astute observation though it was not a politically correct thing to say. I fail to see the reason for great outrage. Amazing that this statement would bother you more than the cheering of people in the streets over the murder of Americans.

    What is also amazing is your apparent insight into the Palestinian people. You of all people know that Palestineans, even Hamas, want peace with Israel and only a small minority of them were cheering 9/11. Of course all statements from those in the know and observations of the Palestian street scene show the contrary but you here sitting in the comfort of your home know better.

    Also am continuously amazed that you have still not spoken out on this board about the blatant anti-Semitism in the thread you started. As a matter of fact your only comment on the matter was defending what they said about controlling Hollywood. Speaks volumes.[/QUOTE]

    Admit it, if say any EU leader made these statements the US press would be all over them. If these words came out of the mouth of any Arab leader the US media would be pointing to this as further evidence of Arab anti-US rhetoric and being anti-semitic. The reason you fail to see the outrage lies within your inherent bias. I wouldnt be surprised if you are a supporter of Bibi and the Likud party.

    Iam also amazed and honestly dissapointed in your assessment that the majority of Palestinians were cheering 9/11 based on some video showing the same 50 or so people cheering (you realize 50 or 100 or even 1000 people cheering pales in comparison to the millions of Palestinians who were not). Again if you have any data supporting otherwise please provide it. I know you want to believe that most Palestinians are evil , hateful people whos only pupose in life is to destroy Israel, because thats the only way you can justify the inhumane treatment of Palestinians by the Israei govt but that is a far cry from reality

    As for the anti-Semitic rhetoric posted by some on this site, why should I treat it any differently then some of the other blatantly racst and homophobic comments made by certain posters? These are comments made by posters not by people making decisions that will have any effect on policy.

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    [QUOTE=Queens Jet Fan;2489849]He made a politically astute observation though it was not a politically correct thing to say. I fail to see the reason for great outrage. Amazing that this statement would bother you more than the cheering of people in the streets over the murder of Americans.

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    Queens I fully understand your outrage but his statement was far from astute. He is dead wrong the attacks have been a dissaster for Israel and for peace, it has been good for him personally and the right wing politics he supports. On top of that it's offensive to any American.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;2489671]Are there idiots amongst Palestinians that celebrated 9/11??? Absolutely. But i bet you any amount of $$ that they are in the minority. The US media focuses on them.[/QUOTE]

    The Arab streets were filled with Paleostinians and their filthy unwashed ilk celebrating 9-11. Too bad Israel or the US didn't drop a neutron bomb right in the middle of the camel fondlers.

    You're the biggest anti-semite on the board. Just admit it and move on.

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    [QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;2489944]The Arab streets were filled with Paleostinians and their filthy unwashed ilk celebrating 9-11. Too bad Israel or the US didn't drop a neutron bomb right in the middle of the camel fondlers.

    You're the biggest anti-semite on the board. Just admit it and move on.[/QUOTE]

    I suppose if you keep showing footage of the same 25-50 people celebrating over and over, there will be some simpletons who will think that there are hundreds of thousands of people celebrating.
    Yes im the biggest anti-semite. You got me.

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    Why is what he said wrong? The 9-11 attacks haven't increased support for Israel? I mean, its not the best analogy, but if your boss that you don't really know dies, and you take his job, then you benefited from it. Doesn't mean you're happy the guy died, but you still benefited.

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    [QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;2489926]Queens I fully understand your outrage but his statement was far from astute. He is dead wrong the attacks have been a dissaster for Israel and for peace, it has been good for him personally and the right wing politics he supports. On top of that it's offensive to any American.[/QUOTE]
    Winnie I hear ya but if we are talking of just public relations, I do think that 9/11 has caused Israel to be seen in a much different light by many Americans, and the support of Israel has been greatly increased.

    I totally agree with you that the war in Iraq has been a disaster for us and for Israel and it has made both of us much less safe. I was in Israel a few months ago and had a hard time convincing most of the Israelis I spoke with that this was true. Most of them do not see it that way.

    Other than that I can see how it is not politically correct to say what Netanyahu said, but I wouldn't call it offensive. A lot would be determined by the tone that it was said and that can't be discerned from the article.

    In many ways its like saying if there was no Holocaust the UN would not have voted for partition. Obviously that doesn't mean that Israelis celebrate the Holocaust, but unforseen circumstances often arise out of historical events.

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    [QUOTE=Queens Jet Fan;2490096]Winnie I hear ya but if we are talking of just public relations, I do think that 9/11 has caused Israel to be seen in a much different light by many Americans, and the support of Israel has been greatly increased.

    I totally agree with you that the war in Iraq has been a disaster for us and for Israel and it has made both of us much less safe. I was in Israel a few months ago and had a hard time convincing most of the Israelis I spoke with that this was true. Most of them do not see it that way.

    Other than that I can see how it is not politically correct to say what Netanyahu said, but I wouldn't call it offensive. A lot would be determined by the tone that it was said and that can't be discerned from the article.

    In many ways its like saying if there was no Holocaust the UN would not have voted for partition. Obviously that doesn't mean that Israelis celebrate the Holocaust, but unforseen circumstances often arise out of historical events.[/QUOTE]


    From my take the settlements the roads the barriers have all been a huge mistake for Israel. The radicalization of Islam and their successful attack on the US has been a great recruitment tool for Hama’s and Hezbollah and has opened a flood gate of arms and money to both. At the same time it has empowered the worst backlash in Israel and more and more the Orthodox who believe God gave them the land are taking over the agenda in Israel. Netanyahu is pandering to the worst elements in Israel for his own power grab and ultimately a modern, liberal, democratic Israel is starting to look more and more like an armed camp. When a democracy is run on fear and oppression, civil liberties, debate and civility will decrease and the concept of Israel as a democratic, Jewish state with respect for both its own borders and its neighbors will evaporate. It already is.

    9/11 has unleashed an insanity on both sides that may well destroy Israel from within.

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    [QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;2490628]From my take the settlements the roads the barriers have all been a huge mistake for Israel. The radicalization of Islam and their successful attack on the US has been a great recruitment tool for Hama’s and Hezbollah and has opened a flood gate of arms and money to both. At the same time it has empowered the worst backlash in Israel and more and more the Orthodox who believe God gave them the land are taking over the agenda in Israel. Netanyahu is pandering to the worst elements in Israel for his own power grab and ultimately a modern, liberal, democratic Israel is starting to look more and more like an armed camp. When a democracy is run on fear and oppression, civil liberties, debate and civility will decrease and the concept of Israel as a democratic, Jewish state with respect for both its own borders and its neighbors will evaporate. It already is.

    9/11 has unleashed an insanity on both sides that may well destroy Israel from within.[/QUOTE]

    I agree with much of what you say here Winnie, but I don't see 9/11 as the cause for it. There is no doubt that the radical right in Israel is an obstacle to peace, and that politicians pander to them but that started a long time before 9/11 and will continue for a long time afterwards. I don't have the same fears as you do about Israel maintaining itself as a democratic state. Democracies have to deal with fringe elements from all sides - our country is a perfect example of that, but let me offer up this example. After 9/11 our govt has tried to limit our personal liberties. Israelis has lived under the strictest of security but their personal freedoms have not been infringed upon. I will grant you there is profiling and those same freedoms do not exist for those in the group most likely to commit attacks.

    Getting back though to the original point of the thread - American attitudes toward Israel after 9/11. Netanyahu was right in what he said.

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    [QUOTE=Queens Jet Fan;2490711]I agree with much of what you say here Winnie, but I don't see 9/11 as the cause for it. There is no doubt that the radical right in Israel is an obstacle to peace, and that politicians pander to them but that started a long time before 9/11 and will continue for a long time afterwards. I don't have the same fears as you do about Israel maintaining itself as a democratic state. Democracies have to deal with fringe elements from all sides - our country is a perfect example of that, but let me offer up this example. After 9/11 our govt has tried to limit our personal liberties. Israelis has lived under the strictest of security but their personal freedoms have not been infringed upon. I will grant you there is profiling and those same freedoms do not exist for those in the group most likely to commit attacks.

    Getting back though to the original point of the thread - American attitudes toward Israel after 9/11. Netanyahu was right in what he said.[/QUOTE]

    We fundamentally disagree about 9/11 and American attitudes. The country is already deep into the debate about leaving the ME entirely. 9/11 was not only a disaster for Israel but it has increased anti-Semitism around the world.

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    Hey Dean, kennyo is an Anti Semite ? Or does he just post the facts as they are and it pisses you and Queens off ? Then you call him an anti semite because the facts go aganist Isreal.

    You make the moronic statement about droping a neutron bomb in the middle of the "Camel Fondlers" . Tell me Dean what does this make you ? Whos preaching the hate ?? Sure it makes you an Idiot, but is there a name for hating Arabs ?

    Why is it when people post things about Isreal (Quotes that were made BY ISREALI'S ) people get all defensive and start calling names and preaching hate. Guilty Conscience ? Whos the real haters ? You never saw Kennyo, Ragu or Myself ever say we would like to see Jews Killed, or a nuke droped on Isreal, but we are the haters because we QUOTED people from Isreal saying they OWN us. Tell me, do you stick up for the USA or do you stick up for Isreal ? Do they own you Dean ? Apparently so.

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    [QUOTE]The Arab streets were filled with Paleostinians and their filthy unwashed ilk celebrating 9-11. Too bad Israel or the US didn't drop a neutron bomb right in the middle of the camel fondlers.

    You're the biggest anti-semite on the board. Just admit it and move on. [/QUOTE]

    Like I said, I saw the same tape of people dancing over and over for all I know the damn thing was not even taped on 9-11 or even had anything to do with 9-11. For all I know the whole damn dance was staged . If so many people we dancing in the streets show me some tapes !!!! You bet your ass the media would have been all over it but they only seemed to find 5 idiots to put on thier show.

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