[QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;2500034]Other than Israel, name me one modern 21st century society in the middle east.[/QUOTE]
Turkey and Lebanon (until the civil war destroyed them).
Of course neither comes close to Israel, but then again, neither has received the same aid and benefits from the USA as Israel (Turkey comes close in aid).
[QUOTE=supergumbo;2500086]Iran was also on its way to western modernism in the 1950s and 60s.[/QUOTE]
Shhh. Dont mention that.
Of course the popular govt the Iranians were electing were too socialist for our taste. So we orchestrated a coup and replaced a popular democratically elected govt with a corrupt and brutal dictator.
Despite their govt, Iranians are very well educated, productive and quite modern by their neighbor's standards
[QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;2500188]You can't dispute what I wrote so you come up with this bullsh*t?[/QUOTE]
I'm mostly just busting chops. I spent a looong time reading about the Muslim world after 9-11 and I don't really dispute that the place is, largely, a cultural disaster -- in a manner highly offensive to liberals by the way. The only difference we really have is this: it took a long time, maybe 500 years, for the Muslim world to become what it is today and will take a long time, maybe 50 years,for it to get better. The one conclusion that virtually all the real experts agree on is that, in general, violence is not the force that will compel the ME to move forward. Nobody knows the answer, but getting away from oil is the starting point. I see the current right-wing position as the equivalent of doing nothing.
Personally, I still think you flatten terrorists with as much force as possible, but violence has to be kept away from civilians. I know this is anathema to conservatives, but this problem is complicated and the solutions are hard. The Right needs to grow up and start dealing with.
[B][COLOR="Red"](n)[/COLOR][/B] [B]Arab[/B]: [I]a member of a Semitic people originally from the Arabian peninsula and surrounding territories who speaks Arabic and who inhabits much of the Middle East and northern Africa.[/I]
It was meant to get a reaction out of people like you.
You have a satanic symbol as a sig. Am I to believe you are a satanist and subscribe to the teachings of the satanic bible? No. I'm intelligent enough to know you have it in your sig to get a reaction out of certain people.