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    Iraqi Girl Murdered By Her Father

    [B]Did I ever mention Islam is an ass backwards religion mired in the 7th century?[/B]


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    [QUOTE]Teenage Iraqi girl who fell in love with BRITISH soldier in Basra is murdered by her own father in honour killing
    By MATTHEW HICKLEY - More by this author
    Last updated at 00:21am on 28th April 2008

    An Iraqi teenage girl was brutally murdered by her father in an "honour killing" after she fell in love with a British soldier in Basra.

    Seventeen-year-old Rand Abdel-Qader told her best friend how she had fallen for Paul, a 22-year-old she met at a charity where she worked as a volunteer.

    When her father learned she had been seen speaking to a foreigner he rushed home and butchered her, strangling and stabbing her while screaming that he was "cleansing his honour".

    He was arrested, but Iraqi police took no action. His wife has since left him and is in hiding.

    The Ministry of Defence was last night trying to trace the soldier. Officials stressed he appeared to have done nothing wrong by befriending the girl.

    While there is no suggestion the two had any physical relationship, the case raises questions about the training given to British forces in understanding cultural values in a city where 47 women died in "honour killings" last year.

    According to reports from Basra, the soldier was an infantryman with blond hair who last saw Rand in January, a few weeks before her murder.

    MoD officials said thousands of troops were in the city at the time. Infantry units included the Irish Guards, the Royal Welsh and The Rifles, but Paul could have been from dozens of other units including engineers, logistics, medical specialists or the TA.


    Her funeral was done without any of the traditional mourning because she was deemed 'impure'. Her uncles were said to have spat on her body

    Army insiders said they needed to establish the full facts to help prevent such a tragedy happening again.

    An MoD spokesman said troops received "cultural awareness training", including the sensitivities of talking to Muslim women, but this focused on issues such as body searches rather than the potential dangers of striking up friendships.

    He added: "They are not told, 'Don't go and fall in love'."

    Rand Abdel-Qader confided to her closest friend Zeinab that she fell in love the moment she saw the young soldier at the charity for displaced families, and she dreamed of a future with him.

    Rand was studying English at Basra University and was able to chat to him without others knowing what they were saying. Zeinab, 19, said:

    "She loved to speak about his blond hair, his honey eyes, his white skin and the sweet way he had of speaking. He was very different from the local men who usually are tough and illiterate.


    The teenager's best friend had tried to hide the presents she was given by the soldier but a friend told her father after he saw the pair together


    "I was in heaven when she was speaking about him. Everything looked so beautiful.

    "With just a simple, caring smile, he was able to give her the sense of love, making her forget all life in Iraq. But, I always had to remind Rand that she was a Muslim and her family was never going to accept her marrying a Christian, British soldier.

    "Unfortunately she never wanted to hear me. Her mind was very far from reality, closer to an impossible dream."

    Zeinab claimed the soldier gave Rand small gifts, including a cuddly toy.

    Rand said she met Paul only four times, always in public.

    According to Zeinab, Paul used to tell Rand about England and promised to show her the sights of London one day.

    "But the thing she used to like talking about best was how he praised her beauty and her intelligence. She told me he called her 'princess'."

    Despite her feelings, there was no physical relationship. "She never did anything more than talk to him," said Zeinab.

    "She was proud to be a virgin and had a dream to give herself to the man she loved only after her marriage."

    On March 16 - two months after Rand last saw Paul - her father Abdel-Qader Ali heard from a friend that his daughter had been seen speaking to the soldier at the charity project.

    Recalling Rand's murder, her weeping mother Leila Hussein said: "I screamed and called out for her two brothers so they could get their father away. But when he told them the reason, instead of saving her they helped him end her life."

    Abdel-Qader Ali stood on the girl's throat until she suffocated and then stabbed her, all the time shouting that his honour was being cleansed.

    He was arrested and released within two hours. Sergeant Ali Jabbar of Basra police said: "The father has very good contacts in the Basra government."

    Because her family considered her impure, Rand was given only a simple burial. Her uncles spat in her grave to show their disgust.

    Two weeks later her mother demanded a divorce from Ali, and she now campaigns against honour killings.

    She lives in fear of reprisals. "I was beaten and had my arm broken by him," she said. "No man can accept being left by a woman in Iraq."

    Rand's friend Zeinab said: "Rand was just a young girl with romantic dreams. She always kept her religion close to her heart. She would never even hurt a petal on a rose."

    • Do you know Paul? Call the Daily Mail on 020 7938 6063[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;2512995][B]Did I ever mention Islam is an ass backwards religion mired in the 7th century?[/B]


    [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=562358&in_page_id=1770[/url]

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    i don't know if all muslims believe in these honor killings.i know some hindus do it to but this family is totally barbaric and insane.

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    so let's bankrupt America while we try to rid the world of every barbaric practice!

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    Seems like Germany was doing the same thing during WW!!

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    [url]http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4626892&page=1[/url]

    [QUOTE][SIZE="5"]Mom Fatally Slashes 'Demon' Daughter[/SIZE]

    [SIZE="4"]Authorities Say She Feared That Her Child Had Been Possessed by the Devil[/SIZE]

    A young mother has confessed to brutally slashing her daughter to death because she believed the child — who had a history of sleepwalking — was possessed by the devil, authorities in Illinois said this week

    Nelly Vasquez-Salazar, 25, is being held on $5 million bond after appearing in court Tuesday to face a first-degree murder charge.

    Authorities found the body of Vasquez-Salazar's 6-year-old daughter, Evelyn Vasquez, early Monday morning in the family's Waukegan, Ill., apartment. The child, who died of multiple stab wounds to her neck and upper chest, according to the coroner, was found on the floor of her bedroom.

    She had been stabbed 11 times, prosecutors and investigators said at a Tuesday news conference. A butcher's knife that they believe to be the murder weapon was recovered, as was a religious picture featuring St. Joseph, Mary and baby Jesus. The artwork had been cut up by a knife
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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2513278][url]http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4626892&page=1[/url][/QUOTE]

    There were 47 such killings in Waukegan, Illinois last year?

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    Thats pretty brutal. All this time I was pissed to be born into a family where I was bald by 11th grade, and had a mustache in 5th. I have alot to be thankful for.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2513278][url]http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4626892&page=1[/url][/QUOTE]

    Your point?

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    Islam is 2 centuries ahead of you.

    [QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;2512995][B]Did I ever mention Islam is an ass backwards religion mired in the 7th century?[/B]


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    I guess then we should go after China next.....then maybe wipe out Africa....


    save your pennies....Dean wants to rid the world of all those he deems unfit for it...and that will cost us a lot of money

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    [QUOTE=HDCentStOhio;2513335]There were 47 such killings in Waukegan, Illinois last year?[/QUOTE]

    is Illinois torn by war and violence? are there any troops there or bombs going off? How long do they get electricity for? Food sources ok? Violence under control? Any on-going violence there?

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    [QUOTE=HDCentStOhio;2513335]There were 47 such killings in Waukegan, Illinois last year?[/QUOTE]
    ?????

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    Do you hate Arabs Dean ? Do you hate the religion of Islam ? Im such a terrible person becuase I disagree with the way things are handled by Isreal . But Im the hater ? Im the bigot ? look in the mirror my friend.

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    [QUOTE]Did I ever mention Islam is an ass backwards religion mired in the 7th century?[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=2foolish197;2514451]????? [/QUOTE]

    "While there is no suggestion the two had any physical relationship, the case raises questions about the training given to British forces in understanding cultural values[B][I] in a city where 47 women died in "honour killings" last year[/I][/B].

    According to reports from Basra, the soldier was an infantryman with blond hair who last saw Rand in January, a few weeks before her murder. "

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    [QUOTE=BronxDan;2513809]Your point?[/QUOTE]

    [url]http://www.uchc.edu/ocomm/newsarchive/news04/dec04/religiosity.html[/url]

    [QUOTE][B][SIZE="4"]Religiosity Common Among Mothers Who Kill Children[/SIZE][/B]

    Andrea Yates said Satan told her to drown her five children.

    Deanna Laney said the Lord sent her signs to beat her three sons with stones.

    And the night before Dena Schlosser became the latest Texas mother to take her child's life, she told her husband she wanted to give her children to God. The suburban Dallas mother was charged with capital murder for severing her 10-month-old baby's arms. Attorneys were expected to discuss her competency in court Tuesday.

    Women who kill their children commonly cite God, the devil and other religious influences for their actions. Although the mothers are also often found to be severely mentally ill or psychotic, the recurring theme of religiosity begs the question: Is religion to blame?

    Theologians, sociologists and psychiatrists generally say no. They say religiosity is a common theme among psychotics because hallucinations and delusions usually take familiar forms.

    "Most of the people in nut houses are religious because most Americans are religious," said Rodney Stark, a social sciences professor at Baylor University. "We know what causes schizophrenia and it isn't going to church. It's biochemical."

    But some experts suggest mental illness is harder to detect and treat in faiths more inclined to attribute odd behavior to Satan and trust prayer over medicine.

    "They're not seeing this as a mental illness. They're seeing it as the person having demons, perhaps, or a sin problem or not being spiritually fulfilled," said Roger Olson, a theology professor at Baylor's Truett Seminary.

    And, in some fundamentalist environments, symptoms of mental illness can appear normal: Obsession over a religious leader can be interpreted as religious fervor, and delusions can be interpreted as religious visions.

    Schlosser's husband wasn't alarmed when she told him she wanted to give her children to God, according to Texas' Child Protective Services. The agency took temporary custody of the couple's other girls, ages 6 and 9, after the baby was killed, and cited the father's failure to act after his wife's warning.

    The Schlossers attended the non-denominational Water of Life church, led by Doyle Davidson, a self-proclaimed prophet who teaches that women possess a rebellious jezebel spirit and that the Ten Commandments don't apply to the righteous.

    Schlosser's parents believe Davidson's teachings helped push her toward a psychotic break, but Davidson dismisses those claims, saying he had little interaction with the Schlossers.

    In Laney's case, the lifelong Pentecostal told her congregation in the East Texas town of Tyler that the world was ending and God told her to get her house in order. No one expressed concern, though psychiatrists later determined Laney was psychotic at the time.

    Laney used rocks to beat to death two young sons and severely maim her toddler in 2003. She was acquitted by reason of insanity earlier this year.

    Dr. Phillip Resnick, who testified in Laney's trial, said he was struck by comments Laney's pastor made when asked about symptoms of mental illness.

    "He indicated that, had some of these things come to his attention, he would have referred her to a religious person, rather than to a psychiatrist, to correct her religious perceptions," Resnick said.

    "If you're a hammer, things look like a nail. So if you're a religious person, you tend to think of religion as the answer to the problem," he said.

    Olson said that while religion doesn't cause mental illness, he believes existing conditions can be inflamed by religious environments where leaders demand absolute obedience and claim to speak for God.

    People with schizophrenia, personality disorders and a host of other mental disorders may be drawn such faiths for their structure, he said.

    "This kind of culture, religious atmosphere, group dynamic can set up a situation where that person is more likely to act out in aggressive ways under tremendous pressure," Olson said.

    In a recent study of 39 Ohio and Michigan women all acquitted by reason of insanity in the deaths of their children since the 1970s about 15 had religious-themed delusions, said Dr. Susan Hatters Friedman, a psychiatry fellow at Case Western Reserve University.

    Another study of 56 Michigan mothers referred for psychiatric evaluations from 1974-1976 after killing their children found nearly a fourth of them experienced religious delusions, said study co-author Dr. Catherine Lewis, an assistant professor at the University of Connecticut Health Center.

    [B]She said nearly all the women were Christian and many attended fundamentalist churches, but cautioned against assumptions.[/B]

    "What isn't clear is what's causing what," she said. "Is the church causing people to develop these feelings or are people with these feelings more likely to gravitate toward a fundamentalist church?"

    Yates, Laney and Schlosser all followed Christian fundamentalist teachings. So did their husbands, but with less zeal than their wives.

    Schlosser's parents said she became religious in the last several years, reading the Bible and trying to convert them to the Davidson's teachings. Laney became much more devout before the killings, hearing God's voice and waking early to study the Bible, according to trial testimony.

    Yates, the Houston mother sentenced to life in prison, said she drowned her children in 2001 to save them from eternal damnation. Before the killings, she corresponded with a traveling preacher who taught that only the saved could avoid hell's fires.

    Resnick said religious delusions often convince mothers that they're saving children from evil or proving their faith to God.

    "If you think about why a parent would kill a child, since there's a natural love and protective instinct, one would say it would have to be overcome with a psychotic belief that they're doing what's in the child's best interest," he said.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=HDCentStOhio;2513335]There were 47 such killings in Waukegan, Illinois last year?[/QUOTE]

    [url]http://crime.about.com/od/female_offenders/a/mother_killers.htm[/url]

    [QUOTE][B]11 Women Are on Death Row for Killing Their Kids[/B]

    The nation is always shocked by criminal cases such as Andrea Yates, a mother of five who methodically drowned all of her children in a bathtub then calmly called police, but mothers killing their children are more common than we might think.
    [B][SIZE="4"]According to the American Anthropological Association, more than 200 women kill their children in the United States each year.[/SIZE][/B]

    [B][SIZE="5"]Three to five children a day are killed by their parents.[/SIZE] [/B]

    Homicide is one of the leading causes of death of children under age four, yet we continue to "persist with the unrealistic view that this is rare behavior," says Jill Korbin, expert on child abuse, who has studied mothers who killed their children.

    We should detach from the idea of universal motherhood as natural and see it as a social response," Nancy Scheper-Hughes, medical anthropologist says. Women in jail reported that no-one believed them when they said they wanted to kill their children. "There's a collective denial even when mothers come right out and say, "I really shouldn't be trusted with my kids."

    A look at the rolls of women who are currently on death row, and the crimes that put them there, shows that women who kill their children are indeed not as rare as we would like to believe. Of the 49 women on death row, 11 killed children:


    Patricia Blackmon was 29 years old when she killed her two-year-old adopted daughter in Dothan, AL in May 1999.
    Debra Jean Milke was 25 when she killer her four-year-old son in Arizona in 1989.

    Dora Luz Durenrostro killed her two daughters, age four and nine, and her son, age 8, when she was 34 years old in San Jacinto, California in 1994.

    Caro Socorro was 42 years old when she killer her three sons, age five, eight and 11, in Santa Rosa Valley, California in 1999.

    Susan Eubanks murdered her four sons, ages four, six, seven, and 14, in San Marcos, California, in 1996 when she was 33.

    Caroline Young was 49 in Haywood, California when she killed her four-year-old granddaughter and six-year-old grandson.

    Robin Lee Row was 35 years old when she killed her husband, her 10-year-old son and her eight-year-old daughter in Boise, Idaho in 1992.

    Michelle Sue Tharp was 29 years old in Burgettstown, Pennsylvania when she killed her seven-year-old daughter.

    Franic Elaine Newton was 21 when she murdered her husband, seven-year-old son and two-year-old daughter in Houston, Texas.

    Darlie Lynn Routier was 26 in Rowlett, Texas when she killed her five-year-old son.

    Teresa Michelle Lewis killer her 51-year-old husband and 26-year-old step son in Keeling, Virgina when she was 33 years old.


    Korbin says there are usually clues that are obvious to those around parents who end up killing their children. "Prior to a homicide, lots of lay people know these men and women are having difficulty parenting. The public has to be better educated in recognizing how to intervene and how to support child abuse prevention," she said in an AAA press release.[/QUOTE]

    This country is just as f*cked up as any of the rest. In fact...the whole world is a f*cked up place.
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    [QUOTE=Smashmouth;2514701]Do you hate Arabs Dean ? Do you hate the religion of Islam ? Im such a terrible person becuase I disagree with the way things are handled by Isreal . But Im the hater ? Im the bigot ? look in the mirror my friend.

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    You know smashmouth, I have a lot of hate to go around. Arabs? No, I don't particularly hate Arabs or even Islam for that matter. I do hate savages that would kill their own daughter in the name of religion though.

    I hate certain Christians too. You know, those televangelists that come on tv begging little old ladies to send them their SSI checks, all while living in mansions and flying around on their own private jets.

    Liberals... well you probably know how I feel about liberals so no need in rehashing that.

    Toothpaste. I hate it when people squeeze the center of the tube eventually leaving the top of the tube empty and the bottom full.

    The way they package toys nowadays. Everything is incased in plastic and wire tied. You spend most of Christmas morning trying to get your kids toys entombed in this stuff open. Hate it.

    Anyway, I could go on for a couple of hours but I won't. I have a life to live and a business to run.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2515058][url]http://crime.about.com/od/female_offenders/a/mother_killers.htm[/url]



    This country is just as f*cked up as any of the rest. In fact...the whole world is a f*cked up place.[/QUOTE]

    You equate a few nuts killing their kids in this country with the accepted practice of honor killings in the middle east?

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    [QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;2515067]You equate a few nuts killing their kids in this country with the accepted practice of honor killings in the middle east?[/QUOTE]

    Yes.

    And there are more than just a few nuts in this country. We do boast one of the highest murder rates among industrialized first world countries.

    You can spin this honor killing to justify your innate racism...but guess what? Across the world, in some cave, a muslim extremist is using US examples of murder to justify Jihad on our debauched secular country.

    You and hate filled Arabs...are quite alike.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2515077]Yes.

    And there are more than just a few nuts in this country. We do boast one of the highest murder rates among industrialized first world countries.[/QUOTE]

    True but how many kids are killed by their parents in the name of religion?


    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2515077]You can spin this honor killing to justify your innate racism...but guess what? Across the world, in some cave, a muslim extremist is using US examples of murder to justify Jihad on our debauched secular country.

    You and hate filled Arabs...are quite alike.[/QUOTE]

    You and the conspiracy nut love to spew this racist bullsh*t so I'll ask you again, how does speaking out against extreme Islam (a religion not a race) racist?

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