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    Derek Jeter's race to 3,000 hits

    603 hits to go.

    1 Pete Rose 4,256
    2 Ty Cobb 4,189
    3 Hank Aaron 3,771
    4 Stan Musial 3,630
    5 Tris Speaker 3,514
    6 Honus Wagner 3,430
    7 Carl Yastrzemski 3,419
    8 Cap Anson 3,418
    9 Paul Molitor 3,319
    10 Eddie Collins 3,315
    11 Willie Mays 3,283
    12 Eddie Murray 3,255
    13 Nap Lajoie 3,242
    14 Cal Ripken, Jr. 3,184
    15 George Brett 3,154
    16 Paul Waner 3,152
    17 Robin Yount 3,142
    18 Tony Gwynn 3,141
    19 Dave Winfield 3,110
    20 Craig Biggio 3,060
    21 Rickey Henderson 3,055
    22 Rod Carew 3,053
    23 Lou Brock 3,023
    24 Rafael Palmeiro 3,020
    25 Wade Boggs 3,010
    26 Al Kaline 3,007
    27 Roberto Clemente 3,000

    28 Sam Rice 2,987
    29 Sam Crawford 2,961
    30 Frank Robinson 2,943
    31 Barry Bonds 2,935
    32 Willie Keeler 2,932
    33 Jake Beckley 2,930
    34 Rogers Hornsby 2,930
    35 Al Simmons 2,927
    36 Zack Wheat 2,884
    37 Frankie Frisch 2,880
    38 Mel Ott 2,876
    39 Babe Ruth 2,873
    40 Harold Baines 2,866
    41 Jesse Burkett 2,850
    42 Brooks Robinson 2,848
    43 Charlie Gehringer 2,839
    44 George Sisler 2,812
    45 Andre Dawson 2,774
    46 Vada Pinson 2,757
    47 Luke Appling 2,749
    48 Al Oliver 2,743
    49 Goose Goslin 2,735
    50 Tony Pérez 2,732
    51 Roberto Alomar 2,724
    52 Lou Gehrig 2,721
    53 Rusty Staub 2,716
    54 Bill Buckner 2,715
    55 Dave Parker 2,712
    56 Billy Williams 2,711
    57 Doc Cramer 2,705
    58 Luis Aparicio 2,677
    59 Fred Clarke 2,672
    60 Max Carey 2,665
    61 Nellie Fox 2,663
    62 George Davis 2,660
    63 Harry Heilmann 2,660
    64 Ted Williams 2,654
    65 Jimmie Foxx 2,646
    66 Lave Cross 2,645
    67 Jim O'Rourke 2,643
    68 Rabbit Maranville 2,605
    69 Tim Raines 2,605
    70 Steve Garvey 2,599
    71 Omar Vizquel 2,598
    72 Ed Delahanty 2,596
    73 Ken Griffey, Jr. 2,589
    74 Julio Franco 2,586
    75 Reggie Jackson 2,584
    76 Ernie Banks 2,583
    77 Richie Ashburn 2,574
    78 Willie Davis 2,561
    79 Steve Finley 2,548
    80 Gary Sheffield 2,539
    81 George Van Haltren 2,532
    82 Heinie Manush 2,524
    83 Iván Rodríguez 2,524
    84 Luis González 2,523
    85 Joe Morgan 2,517
    86 Buddy Bell 2,514
    87 Jimmy Ryan 2,502
    88 Mickey Vernon 2,495
    89 Fred McGriff 2,490
    90 Ted Simmons 2,472
    91 Joe Medwick 2,471
    92 Roger Connor 2,467
    93 Harry Hooper 2,466
    94 Ozzie Smith 2,460
    95 Lloyd Waner 2,459
    96 Bill Dahlen 2,457
    97 Jim Rice 2,452
    98 Red Schoendienst 2,449
    99 Dwight Evans 2,446
    100 Mark Grace 2,445
    101 Frank Thomas 2,431
    102 Kenny Lofton 2,428
    103 Pie Traynor 2,416
    104 Mickey Mantle 2,415
    105 Sammy Sosa 2,408
    106 Stuffy McInnis 2,405
    107 Derek Jeter 2,397
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    He can realistically crack the top 10...

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    Let's put it this way. If he continues to average 200 hits a season, just below his career average, for just 4 more seasons, putting him in his age 38 year, he'll be right around 3,300 hits on the low end, which already basically puts him into the top 10.

    He could very easily be in the top 5 by the end of his career. It all depends if he can maintain enough power to stay useful and, perhaps most importantly, if he moves away from SS, which of course already should have happened...

    Oh yeah, what will be really interesting is where Jeter is playing when he retires. When his enormous and probably way overvalued contract is over, there is no way he'll settle for less, and there's no way he'll be worth anything remotely near $20M/season. Maybe they can work out a 4 year $60M with a player option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDJETS View Post
    Let's put it this way. If he continues to average 200 hits a season, just below his career average, for just 4 more seasons, putting him in his age 38 year, he'll be right around 3,300 hits on the low end, which already basically puts him into the top 10.

    He could very easily be in the top 5 by the end of his career. It all depends if he can maintain enough power to stay useful and, perhaps most importantly, if he moves away from SS, which of course already should have happened...

    Oh yeah, what will be really interesting is where Jeter is playing when he retires. When his enormous and probably way overvalued contract is over, there is no way he'll settle for less, and there's no way he'll be worth anything remotely near $20M/season. Maybe they can work out a 4 year $60M with a player option?
    There is absolutely no chance Jeter retires anywhere but in the Bronx.

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    I'd rather he started getting some more walks and hitting for a bit more power.

    The interesting thing is where Jeter will play after he moves from SS. I'm also interested to see what kind of contract he will get after this one runs out.

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    I know you aren't supposed to pay guys for past performance, but Jeter may be the one exception. I think he will get at least 15M per, but he probably really isn't worth that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjjetfan View Post
    I know you aren't supposed to pay guys for past performance, but Jeter may be the one exception. I think he will get at least 15M per, but he probably really isn't worth that much.
    He's going to be 38 in the 2011 season after this current contract ends. Both the amount of years we sign him for and the amount of money is going to be very interesting.

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    Sean is right, no way he retires with anyone except the Yankees. And I think 4/60 million is a very realistic contract he would sign once the current deal expires. He's won't be worth that much, but no way we would let him walk.

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    To this day, Jeter is probably my favorite player. He's the one that got me really watching the Yankees back when I was like... 7 or 8.

    I think his health is really going to come into question over the next few years (during his current contract). We've already seen some of the aging-type injuries that have caused him to miss some time here and there. His knees are also a big question, people were talking about how his knees were killing him last year. Expect to see a lot more of the tweaks running out of the box and what not.

    With that, I'm really looking forward to watching him pursue the 3,000 mark, and then some. Carl Crawford is another great hitter who started young and has a good shot at 3,000 and beyond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevsJetsYanks88 View Post
    Sean is right, no way he retires with anyone except the Yankees. And I think 4/60 million is a very realistic contract he would sign once the current deal expires. He's won't be worth that much, but no way we would let him walk.
    Well that's going to depend on how he hits in 2010 when he's 37, but personally, I think 4/$60M is insane. The contract should be 2 years max.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan View Post
    Well that's going to depend on how he hits in 2010 when he's 37, but personally, I think 4/$60M is insane. The contract should be 2 years max.
    Not going to happen, If Posada got 4 years/$52.4M at 36 years old than Jeter should at least get 3 years at 37 years old, but I guess it really matters how well he is hitting between 33-37 years old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan View Post
    Well that's going to depend on how he hits in 2010 when he's 37, but personally, I think 4/$60M is insane. The contract should be 2 years max.
    not going to happen....

    Jeter will probably get a contract that at the time he receives it he won't deserve..but he will get it anyway...

    think along the lines of Posada's contract or even Rivera's. He will get another 4 years easy at around 15 mil.

    I may even be underestimating the contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    Not going to happen, If Posada got 4 years/$52.4M at 36 years old than Jeter should at least get 3 years at 37 years old, but I guess it really matters how well he is hitting between 33-37 years old.
    Posada got 4/$52 because that's what the market dictated. He got 4/$52 because the Mets were going to offer a 5 year deal at $15+ per and because he had arguably his best offensive season in his contract year.

    If Jeter doesn't do that, and the market doesn't dictate that, then the Yankees aren't just going to give him extra years and money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piney View Post
    not going to happen....

    Jeter will probably get a contract that at the time he receives it he won't deserve..but he will get it anyway...

    think along the lines of Posada's contract or even Rivera's. He will get another 4 years easy at around 15 mil.

    I may even be underestimating the contract.
    He'll get that kind of contract depending on how he hits. This isn't a charity. The Yankees will offer Jeter more than any other team, but they won't just give him 10's of millions of extra bucks for the fun of it. It's not like the Yankees owe Jeter that. They will have paid him about $200M at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan View Post
    Well that's going to depend on how he hits in 2010 when he's 37, but personally, I think 4/$60M is insane. The contract should be 2 years max.
    That's true, it does depend on how he hits in 2010. Assuming he stays relatively healthy and continues hitting near what he does now, then I think 4/$60 million is realistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan View Post
    He'll get that kind of contract depending on how he hits. This isn't a charity. The Yankees will offer Jeter more than any other team, but they won't just give him 10's of millions of extra bucks for the fun of it. It's not like the Yankees owe Jeter that. They will have paid him about $200M at that point.
    what Yankee team have you been watching all these years?


    When have they showed restraint when signing a contract?


    I mean, they gave Clemens something like 28 mil for half a season.....

    I agree with you that they should give him a contract he deserves, but if you don't think that he will get more than his performance would dictate you are living in a fantasy world.

    I also think that his name brand will also come into play when signing a new contract. The fact that he is "Derek Jeter" a bankable commodity will increase his annual salary. Sort of like A-rod's contract.

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    In some ways it could have a lot to do with what Posada does in the next 4 years. If he slows down a lot (not saying he will, but he is 36) then the Yankees should be able to justify not giving Jeter a crazy contract if thats what they chose to do. Yankee fans and not Jeter fans would see it was the better baseball decision.

    On the other hand if Posada has given 3 more good years until Jeter's contract is up that will help Jeter tremendously IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piney View Post
    what Yankee team have you been watching all these years?


    When have they showed restraint when signing a contract?


    I mean, they gave Clemens something like 28 mil for half a season.....

    I agree with you that they should give him a contract he deserves, but if you don't think that he will get more than his performance would dictate you are living in a fantasy world.

    I also think that his name brand will also come into play when signing a new contract. The fact that he is "Derek Jeter" a bankable commodity will increase his annual salary. Sort of like A-rod's contract.
    The Yankees have gone where the market dictated. They have not had a problem going as high as it takes to get the guy they want, but that doesn't mean if a guy would get, say, 2/$20M on the open market they will give him 4/$60M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjjetfan View Post
    In some ways it could have a lot to do with what Posada does in the next 4 years. If he slows down a lot (not saying he will, but he is 36) then the Yankees should be able to justify not giving Jeter a crazy contract if thats what they chose to do. Yankee fans and not Jeter fans would see it was the better baseball decision.

    On the other hand if Posada has given 3 more good years until Jeter's contract is up that will help Jeter tremendously IMO.
    I see what your saying but I don't think that will be the case. To me, it will be 100% how Jeter does in that last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjjetfan View Post
    In some ways it could have a lot to do with what Posada does in the next 4 years. If he slows down a lot (not saying he will, but he is 36) then the Yankees should be able to justify not giving Jeter a crazy contract if thats what they chose to do. Yankee fans and not Jeter fans would see it was the better baseball decision.

    On the other hand if Posada has given 3 more good years until Jeter's contract is up that will help Jeter tremendously IMO.
    Jeter is such an icon in NY I cant see any way the Yankees would ever allow him to go and finish out with another ballclub no matter what the cost. They could have gotten away with letting Posada walk, but if Jeter wants to play baseball until he is 45 I cant see how the Yankee organization can say no to him.

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