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    G.o.a.t.

    all sports, all era's. Please feel free to make your own list anyway you want, but you have to step up and name your GOAT

    I always find it helpful to begin by stating my criteria.

    I am heavily weighing god-given talent, and ignoring longevity of a guys career or team championships.

    I am heavily weighing multi- sport athletes on a simple premise playing two or more is tougher than one.

    I am heavily weighing how much of a gap there was between a guy and the #2 guy. I think stat guys talk about standard deviations and mean and stuff like that here. I mean he was waaaaaay better than anyone else in his day.

    I really am not taking the difficulty of the sport all too seriously, because unless you've played them all at a high school level or better, you really don't know what you're talking about anyway.


    with that said, my guy is, and will always be ;

    [SIZE="5"][B]Jim Thorpe[/B].[/SIZE]


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    Jm Thorpe startled the world in 1912. As part of the U.S. delegation competing at the 1912 Summer Games in Stockholm, he pulled off one of the most impressive sporting feats in history, simply destroying the world's best in the decathlon and pentathlon. Perhaps the greatest all-around athlete of all time, Thorpe, a Sac and Fox Indian, bested his competitors by enormous margins,[B] finishing first in nine of the 15 [/B]separate track and field events that made up the two competitions. :eek:

    He played [B]3[/B] sports proffesionally, and made his legend the 1912 Olympics when he won the Decathalon [B]AND[/B] the Pentathalon and [U]King[/U] Gustav V turned to him on the medal podium and said, "You, sir, are the greatest athlete in the world. I would consider it an honor to shake your hand."

    some nuggets to chew on;

    College Football Hall of Fame - 1951
    . [B]Charter Enshrinee[/B] in the Pro Football Hall of Fame - 1963
    . All-America - 1911, 1912
    . Olympic Decathlon [B]and [/B]Pentathlon Champion - 1912
    . AP Most Outstanding Athlete of the First Half of the 20th Century - 1950
    . "America's Greatest Football Player of the half-century" - 1950
    . Track and Field Hall of Fame
    . In 1950, the nation's press selected Jim Thorpe as the most outstanding athlete of the first half of the 20th Century


    Occupation: Football Player, Track and Field Athlete, Baseball Player
    School: Haskell Indian School (Lawrence, Kansas) Carlisle Indian School (Carlisle, Pennsylvania)
    Athletic Teams/Organizations: Cleveland Indians, Oorang Indiana, Rock Island Independents, New York Giants, Canton Bulldogs and Chicago Cardinals

    • Thorpe is one of two men in history who played for the New York Giants in two different sports. In football, he was the New York Giants' running back and in baseball he was the New York Giants' outfielder.
    • Thorpe played football professionally well past his prime, retiring in 1928 at age 41.
    • Jim Thorpe played major and minor league baseball for 20 years, starting with the New York Giants in 1913 and later playing a number of other teams, including the Boston Braves and the Cincinnati Reds.
    • [B]Thorpe was the first president of what is now the National Football League.[/B]
    • Thorpe's best baseball season was his last, when he batted .327 in 60 games for Boston.







    So who do YOU think is the G.O.A.T. ???????

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    Toss-up between:


    [IMG]http://www.princeton.edu/~bsu/images/Muhammad%20Ali.jpg[/IMG]


    and


    [IMG]http://www.baltlantis.com/public/pele.jpg[/IMG]

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    [QUOTE=Dirtstar;2583256]Toss-up between:


    [IMG]http://www.princeton.edu/~bsu/images/Muhammad%20Ali.jpg[/IMG]


    and


    [IMG]http://www.baltlantis.com/public/pele.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

    interesting. well, Ali did coin the phrase, right ?

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    You have to consider Jim Brown who is considered by many to be the greatest football player ever as well as the greatest lacrosse player.

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    [IMG]http://www.yale.edu/terc/democracy/may1text/images/NatFein1948BabeRuth.jpg[/IMG]

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    All good names. I'm going to add a different one. A guy who dominated his sport longer than any other athlete in any other sport. A guy who was the undisputed best in his sport for almost ten straight years - NEVER LOSING A SINGLE RACE IN 122 EVENTS.

    [img]http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t039/T039926A.jpg[/img]

    For almost a decade, any 400m hurdle event Edwin Moses ran in he won. He set and broke the world record four times in that span, won two gold medals (missed a third because of the boycott) and basically just owned the event.

    Track specialists may not be your thing, but if you want to talk about seperation between #1 and #2 in any sport, this is your guy.

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    double post *grumble*

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    Great idea for a thread. Here are two guys I would consider, even though they are a little subjective as they are among my favorite athletes.

    [B]Bo Jackson[/B] - This guy was an absolute freak of nature, a tremendous two sports star and a true icon in his heyday. Too bad the injury bug got him.

    [IMG]http://insightpublicidade.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/nike-bo-jackson.jpg[/IMG]

    [B]Pedro Martinez[/B] - Many will disagree but in his prime (1999, 2000) he was the most dominant pitcher to ever step on a baseball diamond. In the 2000 season, in the middle of the steroid era, he posted a 1.74 ERA in a hitters ballpark. Second in the AL was Clemens with a 3.70 ERA. Talk about dominance. And nobody feels that Pedro ever cheated...

    [IMG]http://media2.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041026/041026_martinez_hmed_10p.hmedium.jpg[/IMG]
    Last edited by Flaming Mo; 06-14-2008 at 07:30 AM.

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    Interesting thread. Outside of The Babe in baseball I have gotten to see the G.O.A.T in Hockey, Basketball, Golf and Football (defensive)... and I am only 36. I hope people in my age group appreciated what they were seeing. :yes:

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    [IMG]http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~hakan/jordan/jordan10.jpg[/IMG]

    [IMG]http://rapidcityjournal.com/blogs/sports/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/tiger-woods.jpg[/IMG]

    [IMG]http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAGZ060_8x10-Action~Lawrence-Taylor-Posters.jpg[/IMG]

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    Ayrton Senna

    Races: 162
    Drivers' titles: 1988, '90, '91
    Wins: 41
    Born: 21/3/60
    Died: 1/5/94

    Ayrton Senna was Formula One's great romantic hero, a sportsman who transcended the limits of his chosen arena and touched the lives of millions across the world.

    The Brazilian was arguably the fastest man ever to sit in a Grand Prix car.

    Senna behind the wheel was like a force of nature, taking his machinery to limits few believed could exist, as his record of 65 pole positions in 162 races attests.

    In races, he was remorseless and intimidating, but he also had an incredible delicacy of touch which was most apparent in wet weather, where he was untouchable.

    [URL="http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39419000/jpg/_39419184_senna203.jpg"]http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39419000/jpg/_39419184_senna203.jpg[/URL]

    [B]Nascar Greatest "The Intimidator"[/B]

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    Dale Earnhardt wasn't the best racer ever. David Pearson was.

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    These Threads are Boring.

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    Babe Ruth.

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    [QUOTE=Flaming Mo;2583313]
    [B]Pedro Martinez[/B] - Many will disagree but in his prime (1999, 2000) he was the most dominant pitcher to ever step on a baseball diamond. In the 2000 season, in the middle of the steroid era, he posted a 1.74 ERA in a hitters ballpark. Second in the AL was Clemens with a 3.70 ERA. Talk about dominance. And nobody feels that Pedro ever cheated...

    [IMG]http://media2.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041026/041026_martinez_hmed_10p.hmedium.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

    From 1963 to 1966, Sandy Koufax was the greatest.

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    [QUOTE=Bergen Jet;2583316]Interesting thread. Outside of The Babe in baseball I have gotten to see the G.O.A.T in Hockey, Basketball, Golf and Football (defensive)... and I am only 36. I hope people in my age group appreciated what they were seeing. :yes:

    [IMG]http://communities.canada.com/edmontonjournal/photos/hockey/images/133593/original.aspx[/IMG]

    [IMG]http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~hakan/jordan/jordan10.jpg[/IMG]

    [IMG]http://rapidcityjournal.com/blogs/sports/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/tiger-woods.jpg[/IMG]

    [IMG]http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAGZ060_8x10-Action~Lawrence-Taylor-Posters.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

    [IMG]http://www.hollywoodcollectibles.com/autographed/memorabilia/sports/collectibles/authentic/Baseball/8x10%20Photos/Cal_Ripken_Jr_Photo9_mid.jpg[/IMG]
    Last edited by JiF; 06-14-2008 at 09:44 AM.

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    Brown Bomber anyone? You can argue he was better than Ali in his prime.

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    [QUOTE=JiF;2583392][URL="http://ripkenbaseball.com.ismmedia.com/ISM3/std-content/repos/Top/News/497.jpeg"]http://ripkenbaseball.com.ismmedia.com/ISM3/std-content/repos/Top/News/497.jpeg[/URL][/QUOTE]

    Ripken doesn't belong in this thread.

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    [QUOTE=Tyler Durden;2583396]Ripken doesn't belong in this thread.[/QUOTE]

    Neither do you.

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    [QUOTE=JiF;2583400]Neither do you.[/QUOTE]

    That's great, but I'm curious, Ripken in a G.O.A.T thread? He's not top 10 in any offensive category.

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