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    [QUOTE=Bergen Jet;2583316]Interesting thread. Outside of The Babe in baseball I have gotten to see the G.O.A.T in Hockey, Basketball, Golf and Football (defensive)... and I am only 36. I hope people in my age group appreciated what they were seeing. :yes:

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    I was going to da a list of the GOAT in the major sports, and then name thorpe, your list is 3/4 of mine, the football player would be marion motley

    j/k

    the football player would be Bo. it's a crying shame what happened to him

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    [QUOTE=nycdan;2583304]All good names. I'm going to add a different one. A guy who dominated his sport longer than any other athlete in any other sport. A guy who was the undisputed best in his sport for almost ten straight years - NEVER LOSING A SINGLE RACE IN 122 EVENTS.

    [img]http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t039/T039926A.jpg[/img]

    For almost a decade, any 400m hurdle event Edwin Moses ran in he won. He set and broke the world record four times in that span, won two gold medals (missed a third because of the boycott) and basically just owned the event.

    Track specialists may not be your thing, but if you want to talk about seperation between #1 and #2 in any sport, this is your guy.[/QUOTE]


    yup, it was total domination. that's god given, he was born to run that race

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    Well, if you are talking about ball sports, the most dominant sportsman in history is, by a long way, [SIZE="6"]Donald George Bradman[/SIZE].

    Statistically he was almost twice as good as his nearest competitor in batting.

    Yes, it is cricket, but it has justifiable claims to being the second most popular sport in the world today.

    [IMG]http://www.nakedwhiz.com/bradman1.jpg[/IMG]

    If Bradman were a baseballer, he would have had a career batting average of .392. If he were a basketballer, he would have averaged 43 points a game (Jordan averaged 30.1 points a game)

    Tiger Woods will have to win 30 major titles if he is to even come close to equaling the Great Don.

    When Nelson Mandella was released from prison, his first question to an Australian visitor was "Is Sir Donald Bradman still alive?"

    No other athlete dominates an international sport to the extent that Bradman does cricket - there is literally him first and daylight second. He is a freak among freaks: 4.4 standard deviations above the mean when Jack Nicklaus and Michael Jordan can only muster 3.5 and 3.4 respectively.

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    [QUOTE=Tyler Durden;2583403]That's great, but I'm curious, Ripken in a G.O.A.T thread? He's not top 10 in any offensive category.[/QUOTE]

    Well. I guess I am not looking at his overall dominance in one area. He was consistent all across the board.

    What many people dont realize about Cal was his overall athleticism. He was a 6'3 shortstop who played that many games in a row. Its rare that an athlete of that size in that sport never missed a game and set a record that will never be broken.

    When I watched Cal play, he delivered. I have a respect for Cal Ripken more then many other players...maybe I am biased.

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    [QUOTE=johnnysd;2583289]You have to consider Jim Brown who is considered by many to be the greatest football player ever as well as the greatest lacrosse player.[/QUOTE]

    no question, he is very high on any list. He would probably be on a top 5 list of mine with Bo Jackson, Jordan, and Elway. Jordan dabbled in baseball, and Elway was only drafted, but what the heck, it's just a list on the innerweb :cool:

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    [QUOTE=samwise;2583413]no question, he is very high on any list. He would probably be on a top 5 list of mine with Bo Jackson, Jordan, and Elway. [B]Jordan dabbled in basebal[/B]l, and Elway was only drafted, but what the heck, it's just a list on the innerweb :cool:[/QUOTE]

    If his name wasn't MJ, the only way he would dabble in baseball, was by buying a ticket to a game. He was awful.

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    [QUOTE=Black Death;2583409]Well, if you are talking about ball sports, the most dominant sportsman in history is, by a long way, [SIZE="6"]Donald George Bradman[/SIZE].

    Statistically he was almost twice as good as his nearest competitor in batting.

    Yes, it is cricket, but it has justifiable claims to being the second most popular sport in the world today.

    [IMG]http://www.nakedwhiz.com/bradman1.jpg[/IMG]

    If Bradman were a baseballer, he would have had a career batting average of .392. If he were a basketballer, he would have averaged 43 points a game (Jordan averaged 30.1 points a game)

    Tiger Woods will have to win 30 major titles if he is to even come close to equaling the Great Don.

    When Nelson Mandella was released from prison, his first question to an Australian visitor was "Is Sir Donald Bradman still alive?"

    No other athlete dominates an international sport to the extent that Bradman does cricket - there is literally him first and daylight second. He is a freak among freaks: 4.4 standard deviations above the mean when Jack Nicklaus and Michael Jordan can only muster 3.5 and 3.4 respectively.[/QUOTE]

    the man !

    I was hoping someone would post him. He was the most dominant by any measure

    well done sir

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    BTW, Bradman concentrated on cricket, but was also a champion tennis player, and when he retired from cricket was a squash champion and also regularly used to shoot under his own age at golf.

    There are film clips of him hitting a golf ball repeatedly with a cricket stump (short thin rounded wooded pole) with a control that not even Tiger Woods would have been able to muster.

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    [QUOTE=Tyler Durden;2583416]If his name wasn't MJ, the only way he would dabble in baseball, was by buying a ticket to a game. He was awful.[/QUOTE]

    he only got it because the same guy owned both teams, but he did play at a minor league level.

    He is 6'6", don't forget, not a body made for baseball.

    I remember there was a buzz about him the summer before he went to UNC because of his pick up games over the summer

    pick up games

    hey, if he even hit just one curve ball out of the infield, that counts :D

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    Lance Armstrong deserves some mention.

    [IMG]http://www.sites.si.edu/images/exhibits/Sports/images/Lance-Armstrong_jpg.jpg[/IMG]

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    [QUOTE=samwise;2583419]he only got it because the same guy owned both teams, but he did play at a minor league level.

    He is 6'6", don't forget, not a body made for baseball.

    I remember there was a buzz about him the summer before he went to UNC because of his pick up games over the summer

    pick up games

    hey, if he even hit just one curve ball out of the infield, that counts :D[/QUOTE]

    LOL... Anyone can hit a fastball, you can get lucky, the breaking stuff is a different story.

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    [QUOTE=Tyler Durden;2583420]Lance Armstrong deserves some mention.

    [IMG]http://www.sites.si.edu/images/exhibits/Sports/images/Lance-Armstrong_jpg.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

    hell yeah

    under the god given ability column, he was tested at a lab, and his cells' ability to respirate Oxygen was simply better than anyone they had ever tested

    literally cellular-level domination

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    [QUOTE=freestater;2583333]Dale Earnhardt wasn't the best racer ever. David Pearson was.[/QUOTE]

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    c'mon now, give it up

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    Dave Winfield was a hell of an athlete. He was drafted by the Padres, the baseball team, never played an inning of minor league ball, was also drafted by the Atlanta Hawks, yes the basketball team, he was also drafted the Minnesota Vikings, yes the football team. No other athlete has ever been drafted in all three pro sports.

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    [QUOTE=Tyler Durden;2583434]Dave Winfield was a hell of an athlete. He was drafted by the Padres, the baseball team, never played an inning of minor league ball, was also drafted by the Atlanta Hawks, yes the basketball team, he was also drafted the Minnesota Vikings, yes the football team. No other athlete has ever been drafted in all three pro sports.[/QUOTE]



    good call. big dave was very intimidating at the plate

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    Well, I'm not one to judge this, but many cycling commentators rate 'The Cannibal',

    [COLOR="Black"][SIZE="6"]Eddy Merckx[/SIZE][/COLOR]

    as the greatest in history. He didn't win as many Tour De France's as Armstrong, but he raced in every race he could, unlike Armstrong who specifically set himself for the annual 3 weeks racing that ended in Paris. As such he has won a mass of tours, from Italy to Spain and a stack of the one day events - he still owns many records in regards to these tours and events.

    [IMG]http://www.cyclinghalloffame.com/riders/pics/Merckx%20large2.jpg[/IMG]

    Merckx also was basically unprotected by teammates, as Armstrong was - and would set out on seemingly crazy riding schemes where he would breakaway from the peleton very early in the day and go out on these rides for hundreds of kilometres by himself - frequently crushing his opposition in the process. Even riding together they couldn't keep up with 'the Cannibal'.

    He is the only rider in the Tour to have ever won all three jerseys at once - King of the Mountains, King of the Sprints, and also the overall Maillot Jeune (yellow jersey). If the white jersy for best rider under 25 he would have won that as well in the 1969 tour. He won that tour by an incredible 18 minute margin. The amazing thing with Eddie Merkcx is that he had a severe accident that broke one of his vertebra and his pelvis and really impacted on his cycling, but he still went on to win after win.

    Merckx also held the world hour record for decades - despite the record being challenged by riders with much better (aerodynamically) bikes than what he had when he first broke it. The record was eventually broken in 2000 by the narrowest of margins.

    If I was going to pick a cyclist to be G.O.A.T. it would be Merckx - Armstrong is great, but he's not quite up to the great Belgian's standard.

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    [QUOTE=samwise;2583423]hell yeah

    under the god given ability column, he was tested at a lab, and his cells' ability to respirate Oxygen was simply better than anyone they had ever tested

    literally cellular-level domination[/QUOTE]

    Are we going to ignore the steroid rumors with Lance? No doubt he dominated, but there's a lot of smoke in that corner of the athletic world. IF you consider him a clean athlete, I'd put him on the top five GOAT list just for making it back from cancer and continuing his runs. He was a lot like Moses in that he didn't just excel...he didn't just win...he utterly dominated his event for years and years.

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    [QUOTE=nycdan;2583464]Are we going to ignore the steroid rumors with Lance? No doubt he dominated, but there's a lot of smoke in that corner of the athletic world. IF you consider him a clean athlete, I'd put him on the top five GOAT list just for making it back from cancer and continuing his runs. He was a lot like Moses in that he didn't just excel...he didn't just win...he utterly dominated his event for years and years.[/QUOTE]

    He was never tested positive for drugs and we should leave the rumours as gossip - I regard him as the greatest of his generation, but it is a stretch to say he 'dominated' - because he never won the two other great tours of Europe, the Giro and the Vuelta.

    As I said, Armstrong only set himself for 3 weeks a year, admittedly he dominated those three weeks, but 3 weeks out of 52 doesn't stack up IMO to the record of Merckx.

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    [QUOTE=Tyler Durden;2583391]From 1963 to 1966, Sandy Koufax was the greatest.[/QUOTE]

    I guess it's still up to debate. You can make a case for both of them...

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