Results 1 to 19 of 19

Thread: CEO pay chugs up in '07 despite economy

  1. #1

    CEO pay chugs up in '07 despite economy

    At least CEO's aren't struggling.

    [QUOTE]AP [B]CEO pay chugs up in '07 despite economy[/B] By RACHEL BECK and MATTHEW FORDAHL, AP Business Writers

    As the American economy slowed to a crawl and stockholders watched their money evaporate, CEO pay still chugged to yet more dizzying heights last year, an Associated Press analysis shows.

    The AP review of compensation for the heads of companies in the Standard & Poor's 500 index finds the median pay package added up to nearly $8.4 million. That's a comfortable gain of about $280,000 from 2006.

    The 3 1/2 percent pay increase for CEOs came even as the landscape for both workers and shareholders darkened considerably and the economy was choked by a housing market in free fall, layoffs and soaring prices for fuel and food.

    At the top of the AP list: John Thain, who took the reins of Merrill Lynch on Dec. 1, 2007. His $83 million pay package was supercharged by a signing bonus and other enticements that lured him from the New York Stock Exchange to lead the investment bank as it was suffering its worst-ever losses.

    Collectively, the 10 best-paid CEOs made more than half a billion dollars last year. Yet half the members of this stratospheric club were leading companies whose profits shrank dramatically.

    The AP examination of CEO pay in 2007 mined data from the 410 companies in the S&P 500 that filed compensation disclosures with federal regulators in the first six months of this year.

    The AP's formula, based on data from the past two years, adds up salary, perks, bonuses, above-market interest on pay set aside for later, and company estimates for the value of stock options and stock awards on the day they were granted last year.

    That provides a clearer picture than pay totals required by the Securities and Exchange Commission, compensation experts say, because the SEC totals include expenses companies book during the year for previously granted stock compensation and retirement benefits.

    The value of stock and options given to CEOs may turn out to be significantly higher or lower if they are ultimately cashed out, but the numbers in the AP formula do reflect the board of directors' estimate of the likely eventual payout.

    The median salary figure of about $8.4 million means half the CEOs in the AP analysis made more than that and half made less.

    There were some signs companies were pulling back on pay at the top: Out of the 316 companies in the AP survey that had the same CEO two years running, about two-fifths lowered the total pay package for their CEOs. However, the primary culprit for some was falling stock prices that cut into the value of the shares included in pay packages.

    In many more cases, overall pay ballooned.

    Rick Wagoner, chief executive of General Motors Corp., announced earlier this month the company had to close four plants that make trucks and SUVs because of lagging demand as fuel prices soar. That followed the posting of a $39 billion loss in 2007, a year when its stock price fell by about 19 percent, without adjusting for dividends.

    And Wagoner? His pay rose 64 percent, to $15.7 million.

    Last year was rocky for the economy and the stock market, making it a useful test of a concept called pay for performance a term companies use to sell shareholders on the idea CEOs are being paid based on how well the company does.

    According to this concept, trotted out frequently by the compensation committees of corporate boards in their proxy statements, a big chunk of CEO pay is considered "at risk," meaning it could disappear if CEOs don't meet established metrics.

    But the AP analysis found that CEO pay rose and fell regardless of the direction of a company's stock price or profits.

    Take KB Home, battered by the subprime lending crisis and the weak housing market. According to the Los Angeles-based homebuilder's proxy statement, CEO Jeffrey Mezger is entitled to a cash bonus based on a percentage of KB's profit.

    The problem was there was no profit. KB Home lost almost $930 million in 2007 and its stock lost 60 percent of its value. But Mezger still made $24.4 million, as valued by the AP, including a $6 million cash bonus.

    He pocketed that bonus because he exceeded certain objectives the board had set out for him. Among them were improving performance on a customer satisfaction survey and developing senior leadership in his first year as CEO.

    "Compensation has become a shell game," said Richard Ferlauto, director of pension and benefits policy for the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, a Washington labor group representing government workers.

    "So they take away the bonus," he said, "but then they still come up with ways to make sure the executive gets a big payout."

    Pay packages were somewhat smaller in the financial industry last year banks, investment firms, mortgage companies, insurers and other institutions, all were roiled by the subprime lending disaster.

    For companies in the financial sector that had the same CEO two years in a row, median pay dropped 4 1/4 percent to $8.7 million in 2007. But that was still a smaller decline than the 6 percent drop in earnings and 15 percent slump in stock prices before dividend adjustments, according to Standard & Poor's Capital IQ data service.

    In some cases, companies appeared at first glance to have kept their promise to base pay on performance only to have a different picture emerge on closer inspection.

    For example, Washington Mutual Inc.'s stock took a nosedive last year almost 70 percent because of fallout from the housing and mortgage crises. The Seattle-base banking and mortgage lender lost $1.87 billion in the fourth quarter alone, and $67 million for the year.

    WaMu's board decided not to give CEO Kerry Killinger a bonus for 2007. But board members also eliminated real-estate foreclosures and mortgage defaults as factors in whether to award him a bonus this year. After a shareholder revolt, the board decided to revise the formula, though it has not yet announced what metrics will be used.

    Profit at insurer XL Capital fell more than 80 percent last year, and its stock price slumped about 30 percent. But Chief Executive Brian O'Hara made $7.5 million, a raise of 23 percent.

    In its proxy statement, the company called its profits "unsatisfactory" but said operating earnings, which exclude certain factors, were better than planned.

    O'Hara, who plans to retire later this year, was also given 62,500 shares of restricted stock and 250,000 stock options, which were not included in the calculation of his total compensation. The company said that was to "reflect the importance of Mr. O'Hara's role in the CEO succession process."

    "The cracks in the idea of pay for performance really start to show when performance falters but pay still rises," said Paul Hodgson, senior research associate at The Corporate Library, an independent corporate governance research firm. "It's always a win-win scenario for executives."

    Even companies with huge profits and soaring stock prices can be faulted for not following the principle of pay for performance, according to some experts on corporate pay.

    As an example, these experts cite the energy industry, where CEOs in the AP survey chalked up a median 32 percent gain in 2007.

    It's no secret that profits at oil and gas companies have raced higher in recent years, and stock prices have followed. But that's not necessarily because CEOs are more skillful at operating their businesses. The boon has more to do with the surge in the price of oil, which this year topped $130 a barrel for the first time on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

    "The issue of an escalated price of oil shouldn't flow back in to executives' wallets, but to shareholders in the form of higher dividends," said activist investor Gerald R. Armstrong of Denver, who owns shares in XTO Energy Inc.

    XTO's CEO Bob Simpson, with annual compensation of more than $50 million, has ranked in the AP's list of the 10 highest-paid chief executives for the past two years.

    Pay consultants say that illustrates a weakness in executive pay programs. When outside factors help the bottom line, CEOs tend to benefit personally as well. But the opposite is not generally true, said Bill Coleman, chief compensation officer for Salary.com, which provides corporate pay information.

    "How convenient," he said. "I take credit for everything good and I blame external factors for anything bad, but say that shouldn't affect my pay."

    There were examples of companies that really did cut back on pay during a bad year.

    Department store operator Dillard's Inc., plagued by falling sales, profits and stock value, cut CEO William Dillard's pay package by two-thirds, to $1.1 million, according to the AP calculation.

    Of course, compensation is not always designed to reflect how the company does in the year it's handed out. Sometimes boards give out bonuses to the CEO for a strong performance a year earlier, and sometimes they are pegged to future performance goals.

    At investment bank Morgan Stanley, CEO John Mack was paid a total of $41.7 million for 2007, a rough year for the bank. That made him No. 8 on the AP list of CEOs.

    But Mack's pay was largely tied to his performance in 2006. The investment bank said in February that Mack would not be taking home a bonus for 2007 because of the company's heavy losses in the subprime lending crisis.

    At Merrill Lynch, part of Thain's $83.1 million pay package hinges on whether the stock rises. He got options on 1.8 million shares as part of his signing agreement, but two-thirds of them will only vest if the price of Merrill stock clears specific hurdles for 15 straight trading days.

    Right now Merrill shares trade at about $35, far from the $80 a share level that has to be reached for the first bundle of Thain's options to be in the money.

    Shareholders aren't in the boardroom when pay decisions are made, but at some companies they are gaining clout and holding directors more accountable.

    In May, insurer Aflac Inc. became the first major U.S. company to give investors a vote on how senior management is paid, and shareholder proposals requesting an annual nonbinding vote on pay received slightly more support at U.S. companies this year.

    This issue has also spilled onto the presidential campaign trail. Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain support giving shareholders some say on executive pay. Obama wants to legislate it, while McCain says companies should make the move themselves.

    The votes would be nonbinding, but they would still shine more light on executive pay.

    ___

    Also contributing to this story: Business Writers Vinnee Tong, Ellen Simon, Jayna Desai, Tali Arbel, Erin Conroy, Mike Obel, Candice Choi, J.W. Elphinstone, Kristen A. Lee, Ben Berkowitz and Dorothea Degen.[/QUOTE]

    [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080615/ap_on_bi_ge/executive_compensation;_ylt=AuwVwRLS3GMRwKXNRTM01Y6s0NUE[/url]

  2. #2
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Not bababooey and I resent the implication
    Posts
    21,029
    A good ceo is hard to find..

    It's not like companies give these parachutes away for the heck of it, it's standard fare for a job like that..

    I once heard that the standard rule was that if you lose your job you should expect to be out of work for 1 month for every 10 grand you make over 40 grand (or similiar)

    My old manager, who was a good friend, just lost his job that paid 180 + 25% bonus, he's been on the street for almost 6 months now..

  3. #3
    Jets Insider VIP
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Van down by the river
    Posts
    23,071
    [QUOTE=CTM;2584971]My old manager, who was a good friend, just lost his job that paid 180 + 25% bonus, he's been on the street for almost 6 months now..[/QUOTE]

    I hope being on "the street" is a metaphor.

    It is, right? He's not really homeless?

  4. #4
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Not bababooey and I resent the implication
    Posts
    21,029
    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2585077]I hope being on "the street" is a metaphor.

    It is, right? He's not really homeless?[/QUOTE]

    Yeah a metaphor...He was smart and and saved money for something like this..He can go a year before it gets really troublesome (although nobody likes spending there entire nest egg)

    From the looks of things, he may be waiting that long unfortunately though.

  5. #5
    Your manager doesn't really qualify as a CEO. 180K is a weekly paycheck for these guys.

    [QUOTE=CTM;2585113]Yeah a metaphor...He was smart and and saved money for something like this..He can go a year before it gets really troublesome (although nobody likes spending there entire nest egg)

    From the looks of things, he may be waiting that long unfortunately though.[/QUOTE]

  6. #6
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Not bababooey and I resent the implication
    Posts
    21,029
    [QUOTE=cr726;2585114]Your manager doesn't really qualify as a CEO. 180K is a weekly paycheck for these guys.[/QUOTE]

    I bring it up to highlight. CEO jobs are even harder to find then VP level, once you've had one, it's hard to get hired as anything but a CEO unless you go into consulting of some kind..

  7. #7
    I understand it is difficult to become a CEO, but that automatically means if you do well you make more and if you fail we will pay you more to leave. Guys are failing and being paid very well to do so.

    [QUOTE=CTM;2585117]I bring it up to highlight. CEO jobs are even harder to find then VP level, once you've had one, it's hard to get hired as anything but a CEO unless you go into consulting of some kind..[/QUOTE]

  8. #8
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Not bababooey and I resent the implication
    Posts
    21,029
    [QUOTE=cr726;2585132]I understand it is difficult to become a CEO, but that automatically means if you do well you make more and if you fail we will pay you more to leave. Guys are failing and being paid very well to do so.[/QUOTE]

    They negotiate golden parachutes partially cause of what I described..

    It just comes with the territory as part of total compensation....

  9. #9
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Boston
    Posts
    11,692
    cr - "failing" is not as simple as it sounds. If everyone in your industry saw their profits decline 20% and your firm's only declined 5%, you are not failing in any real sense, even if you are in an absolute sense by that metirc. It's the same as if everyone in your industry is growing profits by 20% and your firm only grows them by 5%, you are failing, are you not? A lot of it depends on the circumstances. And profit margins have been historically high for years now, of course they are going to revert back to the mean somewhat.

  10. #10
    Jets Insider VIP
    JetsInsider.com Legend
    Charter JI Member

    Join Date
    May 1999
    Posts
    31,408
    this thread and all stolen thoughts of it's author brought to you courtesy of the lunatic leftists at the demokratic underground.....

    [url]http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3353756[/url]

    look familiar??
    Last edited by Come Back to NY; 06-17-2008 at 07:45 PM.

  11. #11
    Thanks never heard of the site. Notice I just posted from Yahoo and didn't copy comments exactly like you. You actually used the same statement as Malkin did.

    Thanks for the thought, you are still a fraud.

    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2588092]this thread and all stolen thoughts of it's author brought to you courtesy of the lunatic leftists at the demokratic underground.....

    [url]http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3353756[/url]

    look familiar??[/QUOTE]

  12. #12
    Jets Insider VIP
    JetsInsider.com Legend
    Charter JI Member

    Join Date
    May 1999
    Posts
    31,408
    yeh- sure I did.....whatever you say...

    [QUOTE=cr726;2588118]Thanks never heard of the site. Notice I just posted from Yahoo and didn't copy comments exactly like you. You actually used the same statement as Malkin did.

    Thanks for the thought, you are still a fraud.[/QUOTE]

  13. #13
    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2588092]this thread and all stolen thoughts of it's author brought to you courtesy of the lunatic leftists at the demokratic underground.....

    [url]http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3353756[/url]

    look familiar??[/QUOTE]

    CBNY check again the authors are AP.

  14. #14
    [QUOTE=CTM;2584971]
    I once heard that the standard rule was that if you lose your job you should expect to be out of work for 1 month for every 10 grand you make over 40 grand (or similiar)
    [/QUOTE]

    and following that rule the CEO of Goldman Sachs can expect to be out of work for the rest of his life after making 53.8 mil this year.

    i wonder if that guy worry about the PSL fees

  15. #15
    [QUOTE=bitonti;2588434]and following that rule the CEO of Goldman Sachs can expect to be out of work for the rest of his life after making 53.8 mil this year.

    i wonder if that guy worry about the PSL fees[/QUOTE]

    I believe Mr. Blankfein's total compensation from 2006 was upwards of $100 mil. Another intriguing supposed fact I heard on The Street: Goldman Sachs employees, from janitors to secretaries to associate to CEO, averaged $600k in total compensation in 2006. Of course, averaging in Lloyd's $100 mil and Winkelried and Cohn's $50+ mil (co-COO's).

  16. #16
    flushingjet
    Guest
    what do you expect from class-conscious losers
    like the AP - libs to a man,
    they live to see successful people fail

    never mind the facts-

    that cxo types are as rare as hen's teeth
    compared to the general populace,
    pay far more in taxes in a year than most
    and like some of your football/sports heroes, sign contracts
    that guarantee payment and termination packages

    weve heard all about the rife unfairness of it all
    from the unskilled have-nots:
    no say for pay, lower echelon workers unmotivated by
    stagnant wages, cxos rubber stamping other cxos
    packages...all the "solutions" end up as
    nothing more than business disincentives
    and wealth redistribution schemes

    why not lets all aspire to upward mobility

  17. #17
    [QUOTE=cr726;2584571]At least CEO's aren't struggling.

    [/QUOTE]

    So? I'm not either, and I'm poor compared to them!

    Good CEOs are like Michael Jacksons, they get what they earn b/c they have the ability....if good CEOs were a dime-a-dozen, they wouldn't get that kind of money!

    BTW, I never hear liberals complain about how much pro-athletes make, why not?

  18. #18
    Jets Insider VIP
    JetsInsider.com Legend
    Charter JI Member

    Join Date
    May 1999
    Posts
    31,408
    [QUOTE=bitonti;2588429]CBNY check again the authors are AP.[/QUOTE]

    comes from the same exact source/link where the thread starting article was hijacked....

  19. #19
    I got it through Yahoo News.
    I posted a article, you on the other hand post the same articles and claim the same BS as Malkin. You have zero problem pretending you are an original.
    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2588632]comes from the same exact source/link where the thread starting article was hijacked....[/QUOTE]

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Follow Us