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    If Bin Laden is apprehended, does he have constitutional rights?

    According to John Kerry, an advisor to Barack Obama, [B]YES[/B], Bin Laden will be Granted habeas as well

    Usama Bin Laden, the chief architect of 9/11, the most massive foreign attack on U.S. Soil in our nations history, more dead Americans than Pearl Harbor, will be Granted his constitutional rights under a Barack Obama administration

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    Last edited by Green Jets & Ham; 06-18-2008 at 01:30 PM.

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    Why deny a man the ability to defend himself? If he is guilty, then he will be found as such.

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    [quote=Green Jets & Ham;2589713]According to John Kerry, an advisor to Barack Obama, [B]YES[/B], Bin Laden will be Granted habeas as well

    Usama Bin Laden, the chief architect of 9/11, the most massive foreign attack on U.S. Soil in our nations history, more dead Americans than Pearl Harbor, will be Granted his constitutional rights under a Barak Obama administration

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    [B][SIZE=4][COLOR=blue]Good![/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]
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    [COLOR=black]Damn straight Osama gets a fair trial. Damn straight he gets a right to petition for habeus corpus. When we catch, try and convict this guy, we do it right. No show trial, no slanted proceedings, no question of the legitimacy of the verdict and sentence.[/COLOR]

    BTW, his Habe petition would be turned down in near record time, considering the evidence against him, including his own words.

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    [quote=parafly;2589719]Why deny a man the ability to defend himself? If he is guilty, then he will be found as such.[/quote]

    *coughOJcough*

    As a general statement, that's naive. With respect to Osama, its a certainty

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;2589713]According to John Kerry, an advisor to Barack Obama, [B]YES[/B], Bin Laden will be Granted habeas as well

    Usama Bin Laden, the chief architect of 9/11, the most massive foreign attack on U.S. Soil in our nations history, more dead Americans than Pearl Harbor, will be Granted his constitutional rights under a Barack Obama administration

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    Personally I would love to see him tried in public and executed in public sadly since we used to work with him, if he is ever found by us he will be dead.

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    Bush's policy granted Bin Laden a seven year suspended sentence...outrage?

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    [QUOTE=parafly;2589719]

    Why deny a man the ability to defend himself? If he is guilty, then he will be found as such.[/QUOTE]Exactly right, under Obama we are returning to the pre 9/11 approach to terrorism, [COLOR="Red"]treating it like crime[/COLOR] and [B]not war[/B]

    I Just think its important everyone understands that in advance

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    [quote=Green Jets & Ham;2589728]Exactly right, under Obama we are returning to the pre 9/11 approach to terrorism, [COLOR=red]treating it like crime[/COLOR] and [B]not war[/B]

    I Just think its important everyone understands that in advance

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    Ham, you can't just randomly kill people that you've captured, even in war.

    If he's killed on the field of battle, then he's killed. Nobody will shed a tear.

    But if he's captured, and the question is "what do we do with him" - well, we try him for war crimes and murder, and then we fry him.

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    Yes, he has habeas rights. He can file a petition to challenge his detention. U.S. authorities will respond by saying, "uh, he's osama bin laden." Perhaps they will attach one of the dozen videotapes of him publicly claiming responsibility for 9/11 and declaring war on us. And the petition will be denied before you can say "Allah Akbar."

    And then he'll be tried, where, if his pal KSM is any indicaton, he will plead guilty and ask to be executed.

    What a terrible outcome.

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    What did we do with Saddam Hussein? Just asking, as I don't remember the details of his legal proceedings other than that he was sent back eventually to Iraq to face trial and execution....

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2589754]

    Yes, he has habeas rights. He can file a petition to challenge his detention.[/QUOTE]So Just to be clear, Usama Bin Laden has more constitutional rights than those alleged Nazi saboteurs we apprehended on a beach in Long Island, who killed absolutely no-one, but were never granted the right to habeas petition

    Is that right?

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    Last edited by Green Jets & Ham; 06-18-2008 at 02:47 PM.

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    [QUOTE=long island leprechaun;2589767]What did we do with Saddam Hussein? Just asking, as I don't remember the details of his legal proceedings other than that he was sent back eventually to Iraq to face trial and execution....[/QUOTE]

    sent back??? didn't know he ever left.....

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;2589773]So Just to be clear, Usama Bin Laden has more constitutinal rights than those alleged Nazi saboteurs we apprehended on a beach in Long Island, who killed absolutely no-one, but were never granted the right to habeas petition

    Is that right?

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    Yup, because that's the law of the land.

    I am not concerned about Bin Laden getting habeas corpus. There's no chance he or any other top AQ figure who has publicly announced their involvement in the murders of Americans would have their appeals heard.

    The concern is for innocent people who get swept into the system, as we now have undisputed evidence there are, who need some recourse lest they be permanently confined in your beloved gulag forever.

    Due process exists not to convict the guilty, but to protect the innocent. You seem to have a problem with this concept.

    If Bin Laden --the worst enemy of the U.S.-- has this basic human right, our commitment to justice in unquestionable from abroad. If we pick and chose who gets rights, we look like hypocrites.

    Perception matters in the war on terror.

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    [QUOTE=long island leprechaun;2589767]What did we do with Saddam Hussein? Just asking, as I don't remember the details of his legal proceedings other than that he was sent back eventually to Iraq to face trial and execution....[/QUOTE]

    Saddam was executed by Muslim extremists who were praying to Moktada Al-Sadr during the execution, clear as day on the audio.

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    what is this "if" s--t?

    Worry about catching him first how about that.

    Change we can believe in, how about a candidate who does what he promises?

    Bush said "dead or alive" etc and then never delivered.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2589799]Saddam was executed by Muslim extremists who were praying to Moktada Al-Sadr during the execution, clear as day on the audio.[/QUOTE]

    Yes. Iraqi democracy at its finest

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    [QUOTE=doggin94it;2589739]Ham, you can't just randomly kill people that you've captured, even in war.

    If he's killed on the field of battle, then he's killed. Nobody will shed a tear.

    But if he's captured, and the question is "what do we do with him" - well, we try him for war crimes and murder, and then we fry him.[/QUOTE]

    +1

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    He should just hop the fence at the southern border and basically enjoy all the freedoms and protections America has to offer. He doesn't even need a Real ID according to Gov. Janet Nepolitano and he can send his kids to school for free in Arizona. :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=maury420;2589854]+1[/QUOTE]

    +2

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2589794]

    lest they be permanently confined in your beloved gulag[/QUOTE]LOL!! :D

    Good one :thumbup:

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