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    Democrats vote no, on drilling.

    [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080618/ap_on_go_pr_wh/offshore_oil[/url]


    Why not??????? This is now a crisis and something needs to be done.

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    because it wouldn't do sh!t to this "crisis"

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    [QUOTE=Tanginius;2590105]because it wouldn't do sh!t to this "crisis"[/QUOTE]

    We dont know that for sure, by any means.... Its worth trying.. Liberals wont allow it, solely because they want to be elected, and they are afraid if it works, since McCain has a big part in it, he will be reelected..........Theres no other good reason.... Save the polution crap, the places are pretty remote where it would take place.

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    [QUOTE=24;2590109]We dont know that for sure, by any means.... Its worth trying.. Liberals wont allow it, solely because they want to be elected, and they are afraid if it works, since McCain has a big part in it, he will be reelected..........Theres no other good reason.... Save the polution crap, the places are pretty remote where it would take place.[/QUOTE]


    Riiiiggghhhtttt

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    If you are addicted to cocaine and have terrible withdrawal symptoms why not just snort some more right?

    I mean you need it to function?.... so what's the big deal with buying it from a dealer who wants to kill you and hikes up his prices because he knows you need it.

    Grow your own you might say... cut him out. Well it'll take time to plant the seeds, cultivate them and refine the product into what you are addicted to. In the meantime you have to keep buying... all the while never taking any steps towards breaking the addiction.

    Bush said it himself... Americans are addicted to oil.

    Invest NOW in the bevy of alternative energy industries, create jobs, reassert American superiority in energy, innovation and technology. Drilling offshore is more of the same myopia that we've been getting for the past 20+ years.

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    [QUOTE=24;2590109]We dont know that for sure, by any means.... Its worth trying.. Liberals wont allow it, solely because they want to be elected, and they are afraid if it works, since McCain has a big part in it, he will be reelected..........Theres no other good reason.... Save the polution crap, the places are pretty remote where it would take place.[/QUOTE]

    It takes as much as 10 years for oil to get to market from new offshore exploration. The idea that this would do anything for the current situation is utter fantasy.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2590125]It takes as much as 10 years for oil to get to market from new offshore exploration. The idea that this would do anything for the current situation is utter fantasy.[/QUOTE]

    You can project what we have in a couple months.

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    [QUOTE=Tanginius;2590105]because it wouldn't do sh!t to this "crisis"[/QUOTE]yeah because for 30 years they have stopped drilling everywhere they could.thats why.

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    [QUOTE=Tanginius;2590113]Riiiiggghhhtttt[/QUOTE]

    Great explanation.

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    How does that help the trucking industry, Farmers are they going to use wind turbines to move their trucks. This is the Democrats and Environmentalists who feed their money bags! These folks depend on fuel not empty bullcrap!

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2590125]It takes as much as 10 years for oil to get to market from new offshore exploration. The idea that this would do anything for the current situation is utter fantasy.[/QUOTE]....plz.the tree-huggers stopped new exploration 30 years ago.do the math.

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    [QUOTE=24;2590109]We dont know that for sure, by any means.... Its worth trying.. Liberals wont allow it, solely because they want to be elected, and they are afraid if it works, since McCain has a big part in it, he will be reelected..........[B]Theres no other good reason.... Save the polution crap, the places are pretty remote where it would take place[/B].[/QUOTE]

    So now the Gulf of Mexico is remote huh? I wonder why JEB BUSH went against his brother and supported the ban on offshore drilling? Because the environmental impact assessment he received stated that it was too risky and wouldn't provide nearly enough to balance that risk.

    According to the article oil companies already have [B]68 million acres of offshore waters [/B]that are under lease and are not being developed.

    This is a campaign ploy to make Americans think that McCain and Bush are doing something about the problem when the effects of this drilling wouldn't be felt for years, wouldn't yield enough to affect the price of gas and would set us back further from other technologies.

    Start the transition now... it's the tough choice but the right choice.

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    [QUOTE=Tanginius;2590105]because it wouldn't do sh!t to this "crisis"[/QUOTE]

    It certainly won't hurt anything. The immediate benefits may not impact price whatsoever, but long-term, increasing domestic production is most certainly a good idea with regards to price. Also, futures prices and speculation may be affected long before oil actually starts being pumped. If we had lifted this ban 20, 15 or 10 years ago we would have more domestic production by now. There was no good reason to delay then and no good reason to delay now. (Spare me the global warming or "addiction" nonsense...) There is absolutely nothing wrong with using a cheap energy source. We are no more "addicted" to oil than we are "addicted" to electricity or running water. Such talk (yes, including by Bush), is utter nonsense. There is absaolutely nothing intrinsic to or particular about oil to which we are "addicted." It is simply a cheap energy source. If another comes along, we'll substitute. Until then, there is no reason for the government to put an artificial cap our our domestic production.

    I 100% think both parties are playing politics. The GOP knows the Dems will block it and now McCain has a talking point to blame part of the current economic down-cycle on the Democrats. Most often, the incumbent party suffers when the economy is bad. The Democrats have green lobbys to consider, as well as an immediate political interest in having the economy and gas prices remaining bad, so as to hammer the incumbent party.

    The cocaine analogy is almost too stupid for words. Don't remember who used it, sorry if it wasn't you.

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    [QUOTE=24;2590130]You can project what we have in a couple months.[/QUOTE]

    Yes, and it still takes about a decade to get it to market. It does nothing for the current "crisis" in any event, under any circumstance.

    What we have here is a bunch of oil concerns and the poliitical party they own trying to ram through deregulations they have long sought -- and using their own price gouging as the rationale to do it.

    I think some limited offshore drilling may be worth considering, but it has to happen as part of a wider energy strategy, not at economic gunpoint while being demagogued within the context of a presidential campaign.

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    [QUOTE=2foolish197;2590136]....plz.the tree-huggers stopped new exploration 30 years ago.do the math.[/QUOTE]

    If it were up to you the United States would look like this just so you could pay $2.00 for a gallon of gas.

    [IMG]http://www.acops.org/images/UK_Marine_Pollution/Oil_Pollution_Photos/Beach_oil_%203.jpg[/IMG]

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2590154]Yes, and it still takes about a decade to get it to market. It does nothing for the current "crisis" in any event, under any circumstance.

    What we have here is a bunch of oil concerns and the poliitical party they own trying to ram through deregulations they have long sought -- and using their own price gouging as the rationale to do it.

    I think some limited offshore drilling may be worth considering, but it has to happen as part of a wider energy strategy, not at economic gunpoint while being demagogued within the context of a presidential campaign.[/QUOTE]

    You make no sense.... You have to start somewhere... Do you want it to be even worse in ten years?

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    [QUOTE=bigalbarracuda;2590159]If it were up to you the United States would look like this just so you could pay $2.00 for a gallon of gas.

    [IMG]http://www.acops.org/images/UK_Marine_Pollution/Oil_Pollution_Photos/Beach_oil_%203.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]where was that?

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    [QUOTE=jets5ever;2590148]It certainly won't hurt anything. The immediate benefits may not impact price whatsoever, but long-term, increasing domestic production is most certainly a good idea with regards to price. Also, futures prices and speculation may be affected long before oil actually starts being pumped. If we had lifted this ban 20, 15 or 10 years ago we would have more domestic production by now. There was no good reason to delay then and no good reason to delay now. (Spare me the global warming or "addiction" nonsense...) There is absolutely nothing wrong with using a cheap energy source. We are no more "addicted" to oil than we are "addicted" to electricity or running water. Such talk (yes, including by Bush), is utter nonsense. There is absaolutely nothing intrinsic to or particular about oil to which we are "addicted." It is simply a cheap energy source. If another comes along, we'll substitute. Until then, there is no reason for the government to put an artificial cap our our domestic production.

    I 100% think both parties are playing politics. The GOP knows the Dems will block it and now McCain has a talking point to blame part of the current economic down-cycle on the Democrats. Most often, the incumbent party suffers when the economy is bad. The Democrats have green lobbys to consider, as well as an immediate political interest in having the economy and gas prices remaining bad, so as to hammer the incumbent party.

    The cocaine analogy is [B]almost too stupid for words[/B]. Don't remember who used it, sorry if it wasn't you.[/QUOTE]

    But not quite huh? :D

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    [QUOTE=2foolish197;2590165]where was that?[/QUOTE]

    The coast of the United Kingdom... a leak from an offshore drilling site.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2590154]Yes, and it still takes about a decade to get it to market. It does nothing for the current "crisis" in any event, under any circumstance.

    What we have here is a bunch of oil concerns and the poliitical party they own trying to ram through deregulations they have long sought -- and using their own price gouging as the rationale to do it.

    I think some limited offshore drilling may be worth considering, but it has to happen as part of a wider energy strategy, not at economic gunpoint while being demagogued within the context of a presidential campaign.[/QUOTE]

    Oh, their "price gouging", huh? And futures prices wouldn't be affected for 10 years, too, right? My God, sometimes I wish I was this simplistic...would probably be a lot easier to go through life....

    C'mon - do you have any issues on which you disagree with the Dems? Seriously, even one?? It seems like you think they literally are 100% right on every policy issue and decision...

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