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Thread: The Direction of America: The Right Direction, or the Wrong Direction?

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    The Direction of America: The Right Direction, or the Wrong Direction?

    Heard an interesting report on the radio this morning. This report claimed (sorry no link, pitfalls of radio listnership) that a recent Poll showed that a whopping 83% of Americans feel the Nation is "headed in the wrong direction".

    Yes, righ vs. wrong "direction" IS quite a fluid and amorphous term, I agree. It can and does have many meanings to many people I am sure.

    But still, 83% seemed a high number to me. So I wanted to see how WE would respond to this question as our own little microcosm. Hence this poll.

    Feel free to explaim you answers in as much detail as you wish. Should be informative.

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    Poor economy

    High gas/oil prices

    mired in an unpopular and costly war

    low confidence in the government

    shrinking middle class

    losing more jobs to other countries

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    How about a third option?

    In the long run this is a blip on the radar. The economy, gas prices, political trends, it's all cyclical. Like a big pendulum.

    It'll be swinging the other way in a few years no matter who is president, and the public will be polling differently.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;2597091]How about a third option?

    In the long run this is a blip on the radar. The economy, gas prices, political trends, it's all cyclical. Like a big pendulum.

    It'll be swinging the other way in a few years no matter who is president, and the public will be polling differently.[/QUOTE]

    There is no third option. We are either improving or worsening, no nation our size is ever static or absolutely balanced bewteen the two.

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    I voted “WRONG Direction”.

    Loss of self-reliance and increasing reliance on Govt.

    Loss of freedoms and personal liberties, powered (depending on the freedom lost) by BOTH parties..

    Loss of self-interest and Nationalism, loss of National Identity.

    Ongoing and worsening Un-Civil War between two equally inept and corrupt Political Parties, with no sign of hope or change on the horizon.

    Loss of logical self-interest on a myriad of issues, from illegal immigration to national defense. Loss of Patriotism, replaces with Moral relativism and Universal Equallity of Morallity (i.e. Iran and the U.S. are equal in all ways except where we, the U.S. are worse, hence whatever we want them to do, we must do first and do with the equal interests of both nations in mind).

    Appeasement wrapped in Political correctness disguised as “Diplomacy”.

    The End of the War in Iraq (good) tied into a failed policy to protect us against terrorism (Cops vs. Terrorists if the next President even chooses Terrorism to be a issue worth persuit).

    Absolute imposition of the aforementioned Political Correctness, a direct attack on free thought and free speech.

    Imposition of Globalism, where the needs and desires of the World come before the needs and desires of America.

    Environmentalism run rampant. Policies no longer attempt to balance our quality of life with environmental protection, but now lean further and further to towards the radical Environmentalist.

    Massive Govt. with massive spending, and no sign of hope or change anytime soon.

    About to elect a Socialist Democrat as President, who will likely have a clear majority in both houses. Leads to…..

    Higher taxation, massive spending and loss of freedom and free market (Universal Healthcare), loss of private proprerty (recent Supreme Court rulings, Democrats openly desiring to “take” Oil company profits if not take over the companies themselves via nationalization), lower availability (or even legality) of proven and workable fuel and energy, and an overall general lean towards true Socialism.

    This is how I see us today.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2597121]There is no third option. We are either improving or worsening, no nation our size is ever static or absolutely balanced bewteen the two.[/QUOTE]

    That's true, but only because that's the very nature of a nation our size. It will always be extreme one way or another, and it will eventually always swing the other way, and back again.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;2597155]That's true, but only because that's the very nature of a nation our size. It will always be extreme one way or another, and [B][U]it will eventually always swing the other way, and back again[/U][/B].[/QUOTE]

    I'm sure the Romans thought the very same thing.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2597171]I'm sure the Romans thought the very same thing.[/QUOTE]

    I refuse to believe in the decline of America a la the Roman Empire.

    Large-scale globalization has united the international community too tightly for something like that to happen to ANY advanced Western country.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2597123]I voted “WRONG Direction”.

    Loss of self-reliance and increasing reliance on Govt.

    Loss of freedoms and personal liberties, powered (depending on the freedom lost) by BOTH parties..

    Loss of self-interest and Nationalism, loss of National Identity.

    Ongoing and worsening Un-Civil War between two equally inept and corrupt Political Parties, with no sign of hope or change on the horizon.

    Loss of logical self-interest on a myriad of issues, from illegal immigration to national defense. Loss of Patriotism, replaces with Moral relativism and Universal Equallity of Morallity (i.e. Iran and the U.S. are equal in all ways except where we, the U.S. are worse, hence whatever we want them to do, we must do first and do with the equal interests of both nations in mind).

    Appeasement wrapped in Political correctness disguised as “Diplomacy”.

    The End of the War in Iraq (good) tied into a failed policy to protect us against terrorism (Cops vs. Terrorists if the next President even chooses Terrorism to be a issue worth persuit).

    Absolute imposition of the aforementioned Political Correctness, a direct attack on free thought and free speech.

    Imposition of Globalism, where the needs and desires of the World come before the needs and desires of America.

    Environmentalism run rampant. Policies no longer attempt to balance our quality of life with environmental protection, but now lean further and further to towards the radical Environmentalist.

    Massive Govt. with massive spending, and no sign of hope or change anytime soon.

    About to elect a Socialist Democrat as President, who will likely have a clear majority in both houses. Leads to…..

    Higher taxation, massive spending and loss of freedom and free market (Universal Healthcare), loss of private proprerty (recent Supreme Court rulings, Democrats openly desiring to “take” Oil company profits if not take over the companies themselves via nationalization), lower availability (or even legality) of proven and workable fuel and energy, and an overall general lean towards true Socialism.

    This is how I see us today.[/QUOTE]

    Other than on environmentalism, I agree on everything.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;2597176]I refuse to believe in the decline of America a la the Roman Empire.

    Large-scale globalization has united the international community too tightly for something like that to happen to ANY advanced Western country.[/QUOTE]

    As I said, I am quite sure the Romans felt exactly the same way.

    But we're wildly off-topic now, and I'd prefer not to be. As I said, there is no third option because there is no third option, we are not nor have we ever been in perfect balance of equilibirum, nor will we ever be.

    So vote, don't vote, whatever. I just love seeing threads get derailed before they hit even their fifth post.:mad: Maybe I'll just leave all the trhead making to you all from now on, mine clearly aren;t working as inteneded to fister discussion of the actual topic.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2597187]As I said, I am quite sure the Romans felt exactly the same way.

    But we're wildly off-topic now, and I'd prefer not to be. As I said, there is no third option because there is no third option, we are not nor have we ever been in perfect balance of equilibirum, nor will we ever be.

    So vote, don't vote, whatever. I just love seeing threads get derailed before they hit even their fifth post.:mad: Maybe I'll just leave all the trhead making to you all from now on, mine clearly aren;t working as inteneded to fister discussion of the actual topic.[/QUOTE]

    Jeez, smoke a bowl or something, you uptight hippie.

    :D

    haha, sorry for the thread derailing

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;2597203]Jeez, smoke a bowl or something, you uptight hippie.

    :D

    haha, sorry for the thread derailing[/QUOTE]

    :P

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2597123]I voted “WRONG Direction”.

    Loss of self-reliance and increasing reliance on Govt.

    Loss of freedoms and personal liberties, powered (depending on the freedom lost) by BOTH parties..

    Loss of self-interest and Nationalism, loss of National Identity.

    Ongoing and worsening Un-Civil War between two equally inept and corrupt Political Parties, with no sign of hope or change on the horizon.

    Loss of logical self-interest on a myriad of issues, from illegal immigration to national defense. Loss of Patriotism, replaces with Moral relativism and Universal Equallity of Morallity (i.e. Iran and the U.S. are equal in all ways except where we, the U.S. are worse, hence whatever we want them to do, we must do first and do with the equal interests of both nations in mind).

    Appeasement wrapped in Political correctness disguised as “Diplomacy”.

    The End of the War in Iraq (good) tied into a failed policy to protect us against terrorism (Cops vs. Terrorists if the next President even chooses Terrorism to be a issue worth persuit).

    Absolute imposition of the aforementioned Political Correctness, a direct attack on free thought and free speech.

    Imposition of Globalism, where the needs and desires of the World come before the needs and desires of America.

    Environmentalism run rampant. Policies no longer attempt to balance our quality of life with environmental protection, but now lean further and further to towards the radical Environmentalist.

    Massive Govt. with massive spending, and no sign of hope or change anytime soon.

    About to elect a Socialist Democrat as President, who will likely have a clear majority in both houses. Leads to…..

    Higher taxation, massive spending and loss of freedom and free market (Universal Healthcare), loss of private proprerty (recent Supreme Court rulings, Democrats openly desiring to “take” Oil company profits if not take over the companies themselves via nationalization), lower availability (or even legality) of proven and workable fuel and energy, and an overall general lean towards true Socialism.

    This is how I see us today.[/QUOTE]

    I agree with every one of these points. +1
    I would add that within the 2 party system we have the republicans that promised to shring Govt and lower spending and reduce taxes, then deliver the opposite on two out of three. The Dem's that promise to increase taxes govt and spending and will deliver big time when they sweep in to power. The results of which will be a disaster. Bad to worse with no relief in sight.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2597123]I
    Higher taxation, massive spending and loss of freedom and free market (Universal Healthcare), loss of private proprerty (recent Supreme Court rulings, Democrats openly desiring to “take” Oil company profits if not take over the companies themselves via nationalization), lower availability (or even legality) of proven and workable fuel and energy, and an overall general lean towards true Socialism.

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    Do you know every first and second world nation in the world has a Universal Health Care? Even Iraq and Afghanistan have a Universal Health care(thanks to us)

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    [QUOTE=Tok3535;2597345]Do you know every first and second world nation in the world has a Universal Health Care? Even Iraq and Afghanistan have a Universal Health care(thanks to us)[/QUOTE]

    So your argument then, is that the U.S. (a top first world nation) should persue the policies of 2nd and 3rd world nations.

    Are you saying Americans get worse healthcare than these 2nd and 3rd world nations?

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2597123]I voted “WRONG Direction”.

    Loss of self-reliance and increasing reliance on Govt.

    Loss of freedoms and personal liberties, powered (depending on the freedom lost) by BOTH parties..

    Loss of self-interest and Nationalism, loss of National Identity.

    Ongoing and worsening Un-Civil War between two equally inept and corrupt Political Parties, with no sign of hope or change on the horizon.

    Loss of logical self-interest on a myriad of issues, from illegal immigration to national defense. Loss of Patriotism, replaces with Moral relativism and Universal Equallity of Morallity (i.e. Iran and the U.S. are equal in all ways except where we, the U.S. are worse, hence whatever we want them to do, we must do first and do with the equal interests of both nations in mind).

    Appeasement wrapped in Political correctness disguised as “Diplomacy”.

    The End of the War in Iraq (good) tied into a failed policy to protect us against terrorism (Cops vs. Terrorists if the next President even chooses Terrorism to be a issue worth persuit).

    Absolute imposition of the aforementioned Political Correctness, a direct attack on free thought and free speech.

    Imposition of Globalism, where the needs and desires of the World come before the needs and desires of America.

    Environmentalism run rampant. Policies no longer attempt to balance our quality of life with environmental protection, but now lean further and further to towards the radical Environmentalist.

    Massive Govt. with massive spending, and no sign of hope or change anytime soon.

    About to elect a Socialist Democrat as President, who will likely have a clear majority in both houses. Leads to…..

    Higher taxation, massive spending and loss of freedom and free market (Universal Healthcare), loss of private proprerty (recent Supreme Court rulings, Democrats openly desiring to “take” Oil company profits if not take over the companies themselves via nationalization), lower availability (or even legality) of proven and workable fuel and energy, and an overall general lean towards true Socialism.

    This is how I see us today.[/QUOTE]


    Have to agree with this post, as a whole. I voted wrong direction and I get more worried every day. I don't share Paulie's confidence that we are basically infalliable. Too many dangerous states (Russia, N. Korea, Iran, Venuezuala, etc) would love to see us collapse. Damn, how depressing!

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2597350]So your argument then, is that the U.S. (a top first world nation) should persue the policies of 2nd and 3rd world nations.

    Are you saying Americans get worse healthcare than these 2nd and 3rd world nations?[/QUOTE]

    No I am saying every other country that is considered a 1st and 2nd world nation has access to a Universal Health Care(except for one)

    And by what accounts is the US a top world nation, because we now have successfuly completed policing the world? I hate to tell you but there are millions of people in poverty in the US, Millions of people who cant afford healthcare and Millions of people who are virtually slaves to the system just so they can pay for food

    If that is being top world I dont know what to tell you

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    Universal Health Care is Slavery

    How is universal health care paid for?

    By coercing revenues out of the citizenry in the same way a slaver coerces labor out of a slave, through the threat or imposition of violence.

    Rights are something inalienable. They exist everywhere, at all times.

    If you wash up on a deserted island, you have the right to seek happiness, the right to say whatever you want, the right to be free from search and seizure, the right to arm yourself, in short, all the rights enshrined in our Bill of Rights.

    Do you have the right to free healthcare? What if a second castaway washes up, and he is a doctor? Do you have the right to his labors? What of his right to free healthcare? Do you have the right to have a job? The right to a home or to food? Of course not, those are not rights, they are the hopes, and not hopes to be made manifest through the use of coercion.

    Ignorance of rights and responsiblities, individually and governmentally, are the cause of the wrongward direction of this country.

    They have universal health care in Cuba, do you think the next big cancer breakthrough will come from there?

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    [QUOTE=Tok3535;2597373]No I am saying every other country that is considered a 1st and 2nd world nation has access to a Universal Health Care(except for one)

    And by what accounts is the US a top world nation, because we now have successfuly completed policing the world? I hate to tell you but there are millions of people in poverty in the US, Millions of people who cant afford healthcare and Millions of people who are virtually slaves to the system just so they can pay for food

    If that is being top world I dont know what to tell you[/QUOTE]

    I can agree with one thing....If you don't see how America is THE top country on Earth, then I don't know what to tell you either.

    No where on Earth does the opportunity to succeed and prosper equal what we have in America. Using those who fail as an example to attack freedom and opportunity (and the price of having them, which is personal responsabillity) is, simply, wrongheaded in my view.

    I do not agree with your premise, that the millions without heathcare are somehow victims of some evil system. If they are victims, it's of their own failings and lack of action or abillity, not Americas.

    Let me ask you, do you prefer Socialism to Cpaitalism as an economic system?

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    [QUOTE=littleeddiebell;2597381]How is universal health care paid for?

    By coercing revenues out of the citizenry in the same way a slaver coerces labor out of a slave, through the threat or imposition of violence.

    Rights are something inalienable. They exist everywhere, at all times.

    If you wash up on a deserted island, you have the right to seek happiness, the right to say whatever you want, the right to be free from search and seizure, the right to arm yourself, in short, all the rights enshrined in our Bill of Rights.

    Do you have the right to free healthcare? What if a second castaway washes up, and he is a doctor? Do you have the right to his labors? What of his right to free healthcare? Do you have the right to have a job? The right to a home or to food? Of course not, those are not rights, they are the hopes, and not hopes to be made manifest through the use of coercion.

    Ignorance of rights and responsiblities, individually and governmentally, are the cause of the wrongward direction of this country.

    They have universal health care in Cuba, do you think the next big cancer breakthrough will come from there?[/QUOTE]


    haha , they have Univesal Health Care in Canada and all over Europe, why dont you bring these countries up when debating about Universal Health Care?


    And do you think we will make a breakthrough in Cancer? I wont even begin to get into these pharmaucitical drugs that are making us all slaves

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