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    Obama disagrees with Supreme Court's ruling in child rape case

    [B]CHICAGO, Illinois (CNN) Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama says he disagrees with a Supreme Court decision striking down the death penalty for child rapists, telling reporters Wednesday that states should be able to execute people for "heinous" crimes.

    "I think that the rape of small child, 6 or 8 years old, is a heinous crime," the Illinois senator said. "And if a state makes a decision that under narrow, limited, well-defined circumstances the death penalty is at least potentially applicable, that does not violate our Constitution."

    The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that capital punishment can be applied only to murderers, striking down a death sentence for a Louisiana man convicted of sexually assaulting his 8-year-old stepdaughter.

    The convict, Patrick Kennedy, would have been the first rapist in 44 years to be executed for a crime in which the victim was not killed.

    Obama previously has said he believes the death penalty should be available to states, but that it must be applied fairly.[/B]

    I was surprised to see him take this stance on this issue (I also disagree with his position, but as a former Con Law professor, I'm sure the guy knows what he is talking about.)

    Nice to see he can reach across the aisle at times.

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    Wow, I actually agree with him on this!

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    liberal pansy he is..........

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    Reach across the aisle? What a joke.

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;2602077]Reach across the aisle? What a joke.[/QUOTE]

    wah wah

    after 8 years of Bush, and how that's gone, many don't have a right to whine.

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;2602077]Reach across the aisle? What a joke.[/QUOTE]

    Republican Senator Gordon Smith seems to think Obama works across the aisle pretty well. He's featuring his interparty work with Obama in an ad. (Not a good sign for McCain in the swing state of Oregon, imo.)

    [url]http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2008/06/sen_gordon_smith_ad_touts_ties.html[/url]

    [QUOTE]Sen. Gordon Smith ad touts ties to Obama, and Democrats protest
    by Jeff Mapes, The Oregonian
    Wednesday June 25, 2008, 9:24 AM
    The Oregon Republican strives to emphasize his bipartisan efforts

    Oregon Sen. Gordon Smith, stepping up his efforts to run from his Republican roots in his advertising, on Tuesday released a new TV commercial (video after the jump) that promotes his ties to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.

    Smith's effort to enlist Obama's name in his advertising was met with protests from Democrats, but the McCain campaign said it wasn't concerned that it would hurt their candidate in Oregon.

    Former Democratic Rep. Elizabeth Furse acknowledged she misspoke when she praised the Republican senator in a TV ad for his campaign.

    Furse said she was wrong when she claimed in the commercial that Smith was "one of the first to stand up to George Bush and other Republicans to end this war" in Iraq. She said she should have stated that Smith -- who supported the war for its first 31/2 years -- was one of the first Republicans to speak out against it.

    "I know that he wasn't the first to oppose the war," said Furse. "He was one of the first of his party to oppose the war . . . That is what I meant."

    The two ads and the controversy surrounding them demonstrate how hard Smith has worked to attract Democratic and independent voters in a state where Republicans have become increasingly outgunned. Smith is the last statewide elected Republican, and he now repeatedly argues that he is effective at working across party lines.


    [B]The latest Smith ad, which began running in Portland and Eugene on Tuesday, begins with an announcer saying, "Who says Gordon Smith helped lead the fight for better gas mileage and a cleaner environment?"

    After a dramatic pause, the announcer adds, "Barack Obama."

    Over shots of Obama and his letterhead, the ad goes on to talk about how Smith co-sponsored a bill written by the Illinois senator in 2006 to raise fuel efficiency standards. The ad also mentions Democratic Gov. Ted Kulongoski's 2006 praise for Smith's co-sponsorship of the bill.[/B]

    A spokesman for Oregon House Speaker Jeff Merkley, Smith's Democratic rival, denounced the ad, saying that Obama never said Smith was helping lead the fight on these issues. "What Barack Obama did say was that Gordon Smith has rarely broken from George Bush and the Republican agenda that has done this country great damage," said Merkley aide Matt Canter.

    The Obama campaign released a statement reiterating that the Democratic presidential candidate is supporting Merkley in the Senate race.

    Smith's campaign spokeswoman, Lindsay Gilbride, defended the ad's accuracy.

    "The point of the ad is that Senator Smith has a long record of bipartisanship," she said, adding that she did not think it would have any detrimental impact on McCain's candidacy in Oregon.

    McCain spokesman Rick Gorka said Smith "has his campaign to run" and that the McCain campaign didn't have any concerns about the ad.

    On the Furse ad, Gilbride said that it was meant only to convey that Smith was one of the first Republicans in Congress to oppose the war. "Obviously, many Democrats opposed the war before Senator Smith," she said, adding that Furse approved the ad before it ran.

    Furse said she didn't notice that her meaning could be misconstrued and that she only became aware of the criticism of the ad after she returned to Portland this week from a vacation in Canada.

    But Merkley spokesman Canter said the ad is "totally false" in leaving the impression that Smith was an early opponent of the war. "He is trying to create an illusion."[/QUOTE]

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    More evidence of the fact that Obama is just too smart for McCain's people to lay a glove on him. This campaign is like the 1927 Yankees vs the Bad News Bears.

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    [QUOTE=fukushimajin;2602241]More evidence of the fact that Obama is just too smart for McCain's people to lay a glove on him. This campaign is like the 1927 Yankees vs the Bad News Bears.[/QUOTE]

    laughable as usual....more evidence how full of sh!t he is....

    he's wants the death penalty for those who rape children yet he wants to give people the choice of live birth abortion....

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2602255]laughable as usual....more evidence how full of sh!t he is....

    he's wants the death penalty for those who rape children yet he wants to give people the choice of live birth abortion....[/QUOTE]

    Hey! Where you been? Back to the abortion argument? C'mon -- haven't we all agreed that line of discussion is un-resolvable?

    McCain in down 8-12 points now, before he is out-spent two to one -- I don't care what one thinks of the issues, you just have to admire the skill of the Obama campaign and puzzle at the meatheads running McCain's operation. I honestly believe that middle-school children could do a better job.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2602255]laughable as usual....more evidence how full of sh!t he is....

    he's wants the death penalty for those who rape children yet he wants to give people the choice of live birth abortion....[/QUOTE]

    You can kill them outside the womb....just don't rape them.

    What a guy!

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2602255]laughable as usual....more evidence how full of sh!t he is....

    he's wants the death penalty for those who rape children yet he wants to give people the choice of live birth abortion....[/QUOTE]

    That's CBNY's way of saying he agrees with Obama on this.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2602255]laughable as usual....more evidence how full of sh!t he is....

    he's wants the death penalty for those who rape children yet he wants to give people the choice of live birth abortion....[/QUOTE]

    Exactly.....just wait till he is talking in front of some group of people who are in favor of the ruling...and he says he agrees with it. Give him time and he will contradict himself everytime. He is a fraud.

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    [QUOTE=sec.101row23;2602268]Exactly.....just wait till he is talking in front of some group of people who are in favor of the ruling...and he says he agrees with it. Give him time and he will contradict himself everytime. He is a fraud.[/QUOTE]

    If that's your definition of fraud, I'm curious to see how you characterize this:

    [url]http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/06/title----mcca-1.html[/url]

    [QUOTE]McCain Double-Talk on Immigration?
    June 20, 2008 12:26 PM

    Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., met Wednesday evening with Hispanic Republicans in Chicago.

    [B]In an Associated Press story about the meeting, one quote jumped out at me: "He's one John McCain in front of white Republicans. And he's a different John McCain in front of Hispanics," Rosanna Pulido, a Latina who heads the Illinois Minuteman Project, told the AP. "He's having his private meetings to rally Hispanics and to tell them what they want to hear," she said. "I'm outraged that he would reach out to me as a Hispanic but not as a conservative."[/B]

    Pulido seemed to be in a rather interesting position to talk about McCain and immigration, so I gave her a call.

    An advocate and escort for seniors professionally, Pulido told me that she's one of the original Minutemen who stood on the border between Arizona and Mexico in 2005 and she's also Illinois spokesperson for "You Don't Speak For Me, American Hispanics Speaking Out On Illegal Immigration."

    Her parents were from Mexico, but she was born in the U.S. (She spent a year in Mexico in the 1980s as a Christian missionary.) Pulido says her activism against illegal immigration stems from her Christian belief system and sense of right and wrong, as well as the unmet needs she sees in the senior population through her work.

    "What they're doing is stealing from the American people," she says of illegal immigrants.

    Pulido found out about the McCain meeting from a local newspaper, the Beacon News. She called the McCain campaign contact and let them know where she stood on the issue of illegal immigration, but said as a conservative and a Hispanic, she wanted to attend the meeting. She was curious as to what McCain was going to say.

    "I have friends in Washington, DC, on this issue," she says. "We've had conversations on this issue." [B]After comprehensive immigration reform was killed in the Senate and McCain changed his rhetoric on the subject on the campaign trail, Pulido says, "we were hopeful after John McCain started saying, 'I understand where the American people are coming from, there's gotta be enforcement first,' we thought great, he's had a change of heart."

    So she went to the meeting, a room full of 150-200 people. "Sure enough," Pulido says, "his mantra at the meeting was comprehensive immigration reform.' And there were cheers and applause whenever he mentioned comprehensive immigration reform."[/B]

    "Then he said, 'I bet some of you don't know this -- did you know Spanish was spoken in Arizona before English?' And the crowd roared. I was appalled," Pulido said. "He was pandering to these people -- that's what they wanted to hear."

    The meeting was jammed up because McCain had attended the Tim Russert funeral that day, and had a fundraiser to attend. He was about 45 minutes late, and only spoke for approximately 15 minutes, she recalls. Originally the plan was for him to take questions, but there didn't appear to be time, she said.

    Which is just as well, as far as she was concerned. "The truth of the matter is, I was in the room with 150-to-200 people, and if I'd spoken out I would have been disruptive, which was not what I wanted to do."

    [B]"He was telling one group of people one thing and the Hispanics another," says Pulido. "I'm a conservative and I think he's throwing conservatives under the bus."[/B]

    .[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2602267]That's CBNY's way of saying he agrees with Obama on this.[/QUOTE]

    more like pointing out how the "candidate for change" is once again full of sh!t.....

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    [QUOTE=fukushimajin;2602263]Hey! Where you been? Back to the abortion argument? C'mon -- haven't we all agreed that line of discussion is un-resolvable?

    McCain in down 8-12 points now, before he is out-spent two to one -- I don't care what one thinks of the issues, you just have to admire the skill of the Obama campaign and puzzle at the meatheads running McCain's operation. I honestly believe that middle-school children could do a better job.[/QUOTE]

    Taking victory laps, already? Let me guess, the only thing that could derail Obama's inauguration now is ingrained American racism, right?

    Please tell me about McCain's major campaign miscues, the kind that middle-school children could improve upon.

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    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq-NJ1YQu8M&fmt=18[/url]

    Liberals love kids.....

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    [QUOTE=fukushimajin;2602263]Hey! Where you been? Back to the abortion argument? C'mon -- haven't we all agreed that line of discussion is un-resolvable?

    McCain in down 8-12 points now, before he is out-spent two to one -- I don't care what one thinks of the issues, you just have to admire the skill of the Obama campaign and puzzle at the meatheads running McCain's operation. I honestly believe that middle-school children could do a better job.[/QUOTE]


    8-12 points??? from where??? fruitcake polls which have admitted blatant liberal biased in their polling data?? (I'd be more than happy to post the recent LA Times explanation your post look foolish).....

    the only one's puzzled are those buying into the BS of BO's campaign....

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;2602311]Taking victory laps, already? Let me guess, the only thing that could derail Obama's inauguration now is ingrained American racism, right?

    Please tell me about McCain's major campaign miscues, the kind that middle-school children could improve upon.[/QUOTE]


    Hardly a victory lap -- just relying on polls and a little historical knowledge -- this feels a lot like Bob Dole II combined with a anti-republican wave in Congress.

    Errors by McCain/his people.

    #1 He's shifted positions comically. In some cases saying different things on issues within three weeks.
    #2 The "green Jello" speech -- I'm sure kids would do better on this one.
    #3 Not saying "a terrorist attack would be a huge advantage for us".
    #4 Not attacking Obama's wife when Cindy is not only a former pill-popper but also makes McCain look like a cad for dumping his old wife to be financially supported by a Cheerleader.
    #5 The sad attempt to woo Hillary supporters.
    #6 The failure to move away from Bush on energy policy when they desperately need to draw a distinction with Bush.
    #7 Mishandling the "computer illiteracy" issue.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2602255]laughable as usual....more evidence how full of sh!t he is....

    he's wants the death penalty for those who rape children yet he wants to give people the choice of live birth abortion....[/QUOTE]

    rotflmao! You are so right! no pun! Obama is an empty suit politician. he will say anything to get elected. If he does get elected, the wacko will only appoint LIBERAL judges that agree with what he allegedly is now opposing. What a phony!

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;2602317]8-12 points??? from where??? fruitcake polls which have admitted blatant liberal biased in their polling data?? (I'd be more than happy to post the recent LA Times explanation your post look foolish).....

    the only one's puzzled are those buying into the BS of BO's campaign....[/QUOTE]


    Real Clear politics. I know you like to post their stuff.
    I hadn't seen the most recent Rasmussen poll, but the average is still 6.9% and the LA times/Bloomberg poll had it at 12%. Its closer than that in the electoral college, but the rural weighting there isn't going to save McCain. He needs a game changer.



    [url]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html[/url]

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