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    A blueprint for US withdrawal

    [QUOTE]WASHINGTON - Proponents of a United States military withdrawal from Iraq routinely brush off criticisms that their ideas are "irresponsible". But until today, the charge that withdrawal cannot be accomplished responsibly - and just how that would be done - has never been coherently answered.

    With the release on Wednesday of the report "Quickly, Carefully and Generously: The Necessary Steps for a Responsible Withdrawal from Iraq", withdrawal-minded experts, analysts and politicians sought to pull all the answers together in one document.

    The report, written by the organizing committee after meetings of the more than 20-member Task Force for a Responsible

    Withdrawal for Iraq in March, does not address the underlying reasons why the withdrawal option is the best one - that case, it says, has already been compellingly made - but rather focuses on how it can be responsibly carried out.

    Whenever the topic of withdrawal is broached, said one of three workshop participants from the US Congress, Representative Jim McGovern, "the [President George W Bush] administration screams, 'bloodbath'!" - raising the specter of Iraq descending into chaos, igniting regional wars, and, as presumptive Republican presidential nominee Senator John McCain has said, al-Qaeda "taking a country".

    But far-fetched warnings of worst-case scenarios aside, the alternative of, as the report puts it, withdrawing "US troops while pursuing a diplomatic and political solution to Iraq's civil conflict" is out there.

    "What we need to argue is how," said McGovern on a media conference call to discuss the report. "The alternative to not doing anything and not talking about this is resigning to the status quo."
    The report lays out a comprehensive plan for withdrawal of US forces by internationalizing what is currently the US role as the center of political power and humanitarian aid in Iraq, engaging in regional dialogue to stem outside interference in Iraq and convincing neighboring friends and foes alike to take a constructive role in reconstruction and development, and fomenting Iraqi reconciliation with international and regional support.

    Part of the plan is to create a true national reconciliation between the sometimes fighting and always feuding Iraqi sectarian and political factions to be accomplished by a US-endorsed process of a UN-led "pan-Iraqi conference" that would draft an Iraqi national accord.

    While the US media often toes the Bush line that Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki is making progress towards reconciliation, the Iraqi government has yet to significantly accommodate other disenfranchised minority political and sectarian groups. Organizing committee member Chris Toensing of the Middle East Research and Information Project disputed this notion - noting that though the civil war had cooled down, the political structural problems still existed.

    "Genuine national reconciliation in Iraq - which is the key to progress on every other front - requires addressing these structural political problems," he said.

    The Task Force also called for robust diplomacy with all of Iraq's neighbors, including US regional adversaries Syria and Iran.

    "[The report] shines a spotlight on many policy ideas that don't get enough attention here in Washington," said the Center for American Progress' Brian Katulis, "and one of them is the need for stepped-up diplomacy."

    Syria and Iran, despite their important role in the region and particularly with Iraq, have yet to be meaningfully engaged by the Bush administration.

    "We're changing the rules of the game and we're changing the incentive structure radically for the neighbors to be engaged," said Toensing. He stressed the importance of diplomacy under a UN lead and that the Bush administration has made, at best, half-hearted efforts at engagements.

    "Iran and Syria would not be approached hat in hand by the US," he said, "but rather, by the UN as an equal partner in trying to promote stability in Iraq."

    "Wider diplomatic outreach" with all the neighbors, including Sunni powers, "and trying to bring them together into a more comprehensive and sustained security dialogue about Iraq" is an important step towards a constructive regional role, said George Washington University professor Marc Lynch.

    The report also calls for a short-term extension of the current UN mandate for the presence of foreign troops as a means to cover US troops from prosecution as they prepare to withdraw. The Bush administration, in contrast, plans to sign a controversial bilateral agreement with the government of Maliki to continue the status quo of US troops as an occupying force.

    During the initial extension, Caleb Rossiter, counselor to Representative Bill Delahunt, said on the press call, a longer-term UN mandate would be drawn up that would cover the withdrawal and ensuing international involvement.

    Part of that, in the even farther long-term, could be a "blue-helmeted peacekeeping force" - referring to UN peacekeepers by the distinctive color of their helmets. But that prospect is clouded by Iraqi resentment of the UN after corrupt programs that benefited the dictator Saddam Hussein and UN sanctions that crippled the country in the 1990s.

    Asked by Inter Press Service about the issue during the call, Task Force advisory group member Carl Conetta of the Project on Defense Alternatives said that US withdrawal can serve to "alter the spin on blue helmets and troops on the ground." He said that peacekeeping forces would be "invited" by Iraqi authorities.

    Rossiter, whose boss, Delahunt, has been one of the most vocal opponents of the Bush-Maliki security agreement, said that the UN will "need to be able to operate - as a new force - directly with the Iraqi government," as opposed to the current set up that has the UN now operates through the "true force" of 160,000 US troops.

    A Government Accountability Office report this week - and simultaneously rejected by the Bush administration - said that some of the administration's markers of success in Iraq had been overstated. In reality, violence is on the rise and Bush and Maliki's assertions about the readiness of Iraqi security forces are exaggerated. [/QUOTE]

    (Inter Press Service)

    [url]http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JF27Ak04.html[/url]

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    "A Government Accountability Office report this week - and simultaneously rejected by the Bush administration - [B]said that some of the administration's markers of success in Iraq had been overstated. In reality, violence is on the rise and Bush and Maliki's assertions about the readiness of Iraqi security forces are exaggerated.[/B] "

    But when you bring this up, you are told by the lemmings that your unpatriotic. :zzz::zzz::zzz:

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;2608271]
    But when you bring this up, you are told by the lemmings that your unpatriotic. :zzz::zzz::zzz:[/QUOTE]

    You're unpatriotic no matter what you bring up.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;2608271]"A Government Accountability Office report this week - and simultaneously rejected by the Bush administration - [B]said that some of the administration's markers of success in Iraq had been overstated. In reality, violence is on the rise and Bush and Maliki's assertions about the readiness of Iraqi security forces are exaggerated.[/B] "

    But when you bring this up, you are told by the lemmings that your unpatriotic. :zzz::zzz::zzz:[/QUOTE]

    Guess you haven't found a summer job yet to keep you busy. Here, give them a call. Tell them HD recommended you.
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    just more posturing by the hateful delahunt, but that's besides the point. the dems promised to get out a few years ago and they've done nothing substantial to accomplish it. that aside, i don't agree with withdrawal. at least not now. i think a major problem is that bush and his administration have made a lot of mistakes. whoever comes in to office should try to improve things strategy-wise and get the job done and get out. that's the best way to withdraw.

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    [QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;2608299]You're unpatriotic no matter what you bring up.[/QUOTE]

    You have no idea what true patriotism is. You, like your butty[B] Come Back to Earth[/B], are toys for the corrupt to play with and use. Here are a couple quotes from a true patriot.

    "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."

    -James Madison

    "War should only be declared by the authority of the people, whose toils and treasures are to support its burdens, instead of the government which is to reap its fruits."

    -James Madison

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    [QUOTE=HDCentStOhio;2608302]Guess you haven't found a summer job yet to keep you busy. Here, give them a call. Tell them HD recommended you.
    [url]http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?IPath=JRKV&sc_cmp1=JS_JR_ViewJob&lr=cbcb_nd&ff=21&APath=2.21.21.0.0&job_did=J3I3M776TJ104822VQ0[/url][/QUOTE]

    I did find a summer job....to teach you American history! I would not use this book in a public high school setting for a number of reasons. But judging by your responses, you need this book like a fish needs water ;)

    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_People%27s_History_of_the_United_States[/url]
    Last edited by intelligentjetsfan; 06-30-2008 at 03:06 PM.

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    Ok which of the wars were ok'd by the people. Their elected representatives ok the war1

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    [QUOTE[COLOR="Red"]]"We're changing the rules of the game and we're changing the incentive structure radically for the neighbors to be engaged[/COLOR]," said Toensing. He stressed the importance of diplomacy under a UN lead and that the Bush administration has made, at best, half-hearted efforts at engagements. [/QUOTE]

    Huge!!!

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan;2608351]Ok which of the wars were ok'd by the people. Their elected representatives ok the war1[/QUOTE]

    yes, but in theory, those elected officials would truly represent the will of the people. In our war profiteering system of government, the elected officials represent the big corporations that make billions from war. The officials job is to manufacture consent for these wars (gulf of Tonkin, 9-11 connections to Saddam Hussein) with the people. That is why fear is such a staple in politics. The quotes I listed from James Madison are chilling.

    "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg;2608356][QUOTE[COLOR="Red"]]"We're changing the rules of the game and we're changing the incentive structure radically for the neighbors to be engaged[/COLOR]," said Toensing. He stressed the importance of diplomacy under a UN lead and that the Bush administration has made, at best, half-hearted efforts at engagements. [/QUOTE]

    Huge!!![/QUOTE]

    diplomacy has been attempted for decades. it was all that jimmy carter did during his time as president. look where that got us. diplomacy with people who will just lie to your face and ignore their promises will make not progress. unfortunately, some people only understand violence. diplomacy just doesn't work with some people. or countries.

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg;2608356][QUOTE[COLOR="Red"]]"We're changing the rules of the game and we're changing the incentive structure radically for the neighbors to be engaged[/COLOR]," said Toensing. He stressed the importance of diplomacy under a UN lead and that the Bush administration has made, at best, half-hearted efforts at engagements. [/QUOTE]

    Huge!!![/QUOTE]

    You have to admit that this whole diplomacy thing isn't easy for the Bush Administration. Certainly, its not easy to toe the line of publicly being diplomatic when you are privately adding up how much money can be made when we own the oil fields in Iran$$$$$

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;2608365]yes, but in theory, those elected officials would truly represent the will of the people. In our war profiteering system of government, the elected officials represent the big corporations that make billions from war. The officials job is to manufacture consent for these wars (gulf of Tonkin, 9-11 connections to Saddam Hussein) with the people. That is why fear is such a staple in politics. The quotes I listed above from James Madison are chilling.

    "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."[/QUOTE]

    you sure do like buzz words. is there anything that is not chilling? maybe certain things are "very telling", "shocking", or "horrific". your quotes from madison are not chilling. you exxaggerate them. i still don't understand why people want to ask these countries' permission to work together. they don't want to, and they will blow us off at their first chance. israel and the rest of the middle east is the perfect example. how many treaties do they sign just to be attacked again anyway?

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;2608379]Huge!!![/QUOTE]

    You have to admit that this whole diplomacy thing isn't easy for the Bush Administration. Certainly, its not easy to toe the line of publicly being diplomatic when you are privately adding up how much money can be made when we own the oil fields in Iran$$$$$[/QUOTE]

    should we just call you mulder from now on? you've got consipiracies about conspiracies.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;2608338]I did find a summer job....to teach you American history! I would not use this book in a public high school setting for a number of reasons. But judging by your responses, you need this book like a fish needs water ;)

    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_People%27s_History_of_the_United_States[/url][/QUOTE]

    Thanks for the recommendation.

    May I make a suggestion for your summer reading list?
    [IMG]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51R6N0PMQ1L._SL500_BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg[/IMG]

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    [QUOTE=Zombo;2608390]you sure do like buzz words. is there anything that is not chilling? maybe certain things are "very telling", "shocking", or "horrific". your quotes from madison are not chilling. you exxaggerate them. i still don't understand why people want to ask these countries' permission to work together. they don't want to, and they will blow us off at their first chance. israel and the rest of the middle east is the perfect example. how many treaties do they sign just to be attacked again anyway?[/QUOTE]

    Its kind of hard to exxagerate words that are right there in black and white. I don't see how one can misunderstand this;

    "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."

    Its pretty straight forward . One of the main reasons why powerful countries ask other countries for permission is so that the powerful country does not act like an imperialistic government. Generally speaking, the world does not enjoy the likes of a Napoleon or a Hitler (even if some wealthy business men do).

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    Mesenses a bunch of libs getting antsy about progress in iraq.

    More patriotism from you boys?

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    [QUOTE=HDCentStOhio;2608430]Thanks for the recommendation.

    May I make a suggestion for your summer reading list?
    [IMG]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51R6N0PMQ1L._SL500_BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

    [B][SIZE="4"]Men in Black[/SIZE][/B]

    [SIZE="4"]By Mark Levin[/SIZE]

    [SIZE="4"]Introduction by Rush Limbaugh[/SIZE]

    [SIZE="4"]Sponsored by the good folks at ExxonMobile, Halliburton, Shell Oil, The Carlyle Group, Phillip Morris Tobacco, News Corp, Rev. Hagee Ministry, The Tom Delay Foundation, The Karl Rove Humanitarian Fund and The Ronald Reagan & Iran Partnership[/SIZE]

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;2608684][B][SIZE="4"]Men in Black[/SIZE][/B]

    [SIZE="4"]By Mark Levin[/SIZE]

    [SIZE="4"]Introduction by Rush Limbaugh[/SIZE]

    [SIZE="4"]Sponsored by the good folks at [B][I]ExxonMobile[/I][/B], [/SIZE][/QUOTE]
    At least get the name right, it's ExxonMobil. Mobile is a city in Alabama.

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    [QUOTE=Spirit of Weeb;2608662]Mesenses a bunch of libs getting antsy about progress in iraq.

    More patriotism from you boys?[/QUOTE]

    Progress, huh?

    So when are we leaving? When are the Iraqis gonna start paying back the 500 billion dollars they owe us? Are those sand jockeys ready to stand the hell up?

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