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    Why does this man deserve our respect?

    [B][SIZE="4"]Jesse Alexander Helms, Jr. [/SIZE][/B]

    (October 18, 1921 – July 4, 2008[1]) was a five-term United States Senator from North Carolina, and a member of the Republican Party. He served as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.


    In 1950, Helms became an unofficial researcher for United States Senate candidate Willis Smith. Smith was a conservative Democratic lawyer and former president of the American Bar Association. While working on the primary campaign against Frank Porter Graham, [B]Helms helped create an ad that read, "White people, wake up before it is too late. Do you want Negroes working beside you, your wife and your daughters, in your mills and factories? Frank Graham favors mingling of the races." Another ad featured photographs Helms doctored to illustrate the allegation that Graham's wife had danced with a black man. (FAIR 2001-09-01, The News and Observer 2001-08-26)[/B]

    After winning the election, Senator Smith hired Helms to be his administrative assistant in Washington, D.C. In 1952, Helms worked on the Democratic presidential campaign of Georgia Senator Richard Russell. When Smith suddenly died in 1953, Helms returned to Raleigh. From 1953 until 1960, Helms was executive director of the North Carolina Bankers Association.

    Helms was an advocate of the tobacco industry since much of North Carolina's rural economy relies on tobacco. (Hubert Humphrey once said that, "I'll trade Jesse Helms his tobacco vote for my wheat support any day.") Tobacco companies such as R. J. Reynolds and Philip Morris have supported him, both directly and through donations to the Jesse Helms Center at Wingate University. Helms became chairman of the Senate Agriculture Committee in the 1980s.

    Helms opposed the Martin Luther King Day bill in 1983 on grounds that King had two associates with communist ties, Stanley Levison and Jack O'Dell. [7] Helms led the Senatorial opposition to the bill and voiced disapproval of King's alleged philandering.

    [B]Opposition to AIDS funding[/B]
    Helms was "bitterly opposed to federal financing of AIDS research and treatment".[12] Opposing the Kennedy-Hatch AIDS bill in 1988, Helms stated, "There is not one single case of AIDS in this country that cannot be traced in origin to sodomy."[13] When Ryan White died in 1990, his mother went to Congress to speak to politicians on behalf of people with AIDS. She spoke to 23 representatives: Helms refused to speak to her even when she was alone with him in an elevator.[14] Despite opposition by Helms, the Ryan White Comprehensive AIDS Resources Emergency Care (CARE) Act passed in 1990.

    Having attempted, and failed, to block passage of the Ryan White Comprehensive AIDS Resources Emergency Care (CARE) Act passed in 1990, Helms tried to block its refunding in 1995, saying that those with AIDS were responsible for the disease, because they had contracted it because of their "deliberate, disgusting, revolting conduct", and falsely claiming that more federal dollars were spent on AIDS than heart disease or cancer. [19] His opposition to the spending was consonant with his long term anti-gay rhetoric and opposition to civil rights for gay men and women generally. Helms had declared homosexuality "degenerate," and homosexuals "weak, morally sick wretches."[20]

    Helms was an ardent supporter of the late Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet.[17]

    Helms had close ties to the rightist Salvadoran death squad leader Roberto D'Aubuisson and was considered a main sponsor of D'Aubuisson's political party, the Nationalist Republican Alliance.[8] When confronted with evidence that D'Aubuisson ran death squads that systematically murdered civilians, he replied that [B]"[a]ll I know, is that D'Aubuisson is a free enterprise man and deeply religious."[9][/B] :eek:

    Helms commented on the 1963 Civil Rights protests, "The Negro cannot count forever on the kind of restraint that's thus far left him free to clog the streets, disrupt traffic, and interfere with other men's rights."[4] (WRAL-TV commentary, 1963) He also wrote, "Crime rates and irresponsibility among Negroes are a fact of life which must be faced." (New York Times, 1981-02-08)

    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Helms[/url]

    [SIZE="4"][B]Here are some direct quotes from Jesse Helms;[/B][/SIZE]

    Aids
    "There is not one single case of AIDS in this country that
    cannot be traced in origin to sodomy."
    (States News Service, 5/17/88)

    "I've never heard once in this chamber anybody say to the
    homosexuals, 'stop what you're doing.' If they would stop what
    they're doing there would not be one additional case of AIDS
    in the United State."
    Jesse Helms

    Homosexuals
    "If homosexuals would only stop doing what they're doing,
    There wouldn't be any more AIDS."

    Negro
    "To rob the Negro of his reputation of thinking through a problem
    in his own fashion is about the same as trying to pretend that he
    doesn't have a natural instinct for rhythm and for
    singing and dancing."

    "The Negro cannot count forever on the kind of restraint
    that's thus far left him free to clog the streets, disrupt traffic,
    and interfere with other men's rights."

    When a caller to CNN's Larry King Live show praised guest
    Jesse Helms for "everything you've done to help keep
    down the niggers," Helms' response was to salute the camera
    and say, "Well, thank you, I think."
    (Wilmington Star-News, 9/16/95)

    New York Times and The Washington Post
    "The New York Times and The Washington Post are both infested
    with homosexuals themselves."
    The Post, he charged, "caters to homosexual groups.
    Just about every person down there is homosexual or lesbian,"

    Smoking
    I was with some Vietnamese recently, and some of them were
    smoking two cigarettes at the same time. That's the kind of
    customers we need!
    Jesse Helms, US Senator from North Carolina,
    at a dinner to promote the state's tobacco industry, 1996
    Source:BQ

    Tax Dollars
    "Your tax dollars are being used to pay for grade school
    classes that teach our children that
    CANNIBALISM, WIFE-SWAPPING, and the MURDER
    of infants and the elderly are acceptable behavior. ''
    Part of the text of a fundraising mailer sent out by the
    Helms campaign.

    University of North Carolina (UNC)
    "University of Negroes and Communists

    [url]http://home.att.net/~jrhsc/helms.html[/url]
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    Then there is this 'beaut"....

    [SIZE="4"][B]"The destruction of this country can be pinpointed in terms of its beginnings to the time that our political leadership turned to socialism. They didn't call it socialism, of course. It was given deceptive names and adorned with fancy slogans. We heard about New Deals, and Fair Deals and New Frontiers and the Great Society."[/B] - From a Helms editorial at WRAL-TV in Raleigh.[/SIZE]

    What a horse's as*.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;2614664]Then there is this 'beaut"....

    [SIZE="4"][B]"The destruction of this country can be pinpointed in terms of its beginnings to the time that our political leadership turned to socialism. They didn't call it socialism, of course. It was given deceptive names and adorned with fancy slogans. We heard about New Deals, and Fair Deals and New Frontiers and the Great Society."[/B] - From a Helms editorial at WRAL-TV in Raleigh.[/SIZE]

    What a horse's as*.[/QUOTE]

    Cut him some slack....He IS from North Carolina, ya know.

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    He ever kill anybody and not get prosecuted because of who he was?

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;2614685]He ever kill anybody and not get prosecuted because of who he was?[/QUOTE]

    So that is where the bar is set in determing who our respected politicans are? Every politican and elected official who is corrupt and racist is okay as long as they did not allegedly murder someone. If that is the case then we might as well all go looking for another place to live.

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;2614685]He ever kill anybody and not get prosecuted because of who he was?[/QUOTE]

    Neither did Hitler. Just sayin'

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    [QUOTE=Raug;2614694]Neither did Hitler. Just sayin'[/QUOTE]
    Hitler killed many people. He was first not prosecuted because of who he was and again many years later not prosecuted because he killed himself. Don't know why you'd be "just sayin'" such a thing, unless you're some kind of Hitler buff ready to wow us with little known facts of his life and career. Hope not.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;2614691]So that is where the bar is set in determing who our respected politicans are? Every politican and elected official who is corrupt and racist is okay as long as they did not allegedly murder someone. If that is the case then we might as well all go looking for another place to live.[/QUOTE]
    You show zero respect for a recently deceased and accomplished politician. My post, therefore, is totally appropriate for your thread.

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;2614726]You show zero respect for a recently deceased and accomplished politician. My post, therefore, is totally appropriate for your thread.[/QUOTE]

    If that politician doesn't deserve our respect, why should he get it? Helms was a corrupt hate-monger.

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;2614720]Hitler killed many people. He was first not prosecuted because of who he was and again many years later not prosecuted because he killed himself. Don't know why you'd be "just sayin'" such a thing, unless you're some kind of Hitler buff ready to wow us with little known facts of his life and career. Hope not.[/QUOTE]

    He never killed anyone [b]personally[/b], and with probably one exception never gave the [b]direct[/b] order to kill anyone. In fact, if he had not commit suicide and got a fair treaty, he wouldn't have gotten the death penalty because he never signed any order about the holocaust etc, except the euthanasia program.
    We can be sure of course that he would have gotten the death penalty no matter what, I mean, everything was done under his name. But he never killed anyone by himself.

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    [QUOTE=Raug;2614745]He never killed anyone [b]personally[/b], and with probably one exception never gave the [b]direct[/b] order to kill anyone. In fact, if he had not commit suicide and got a fair treaty, he wouldn't have gotten the death penalty because he never signed any order about the holocaust etc, except the euthanasia program.
    We can be sure of course that he would have gotten the death penalty no matter what, I mean, everything was done under his name. But he never killed anyone by himself.[/QUOTE]
    Hitler thread, hurray!

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    [QUOTE=Klecko73isGod;2614728]If that politician doesn't deserve our respect, why should he get it? Helms was a corrupt hate-monger.[/QUOTE]
    [url]http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1187308,00.html[/url]

    Those are the remarks of Jesse Helms, who worked with Bono in recent years (2000-2006?) to help the African AIDS crisis. Apparently Bono was mature enough to suspend disrespect and let a politician, perhaps, make some personal amends and at least try and make a difference in Africa.

    It's almost impossible, intelligent/Klecko73, to take thoughts as bitter as yours seriously.

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    You asked me. By arguing for some racist SOB.

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    [QUOTE=Raug;2614786]You asked me. By arguing for some racist SOB.[/QUOTE]
    Well, as we all know, a racist comment is worse than murder and anyone who utters a "racist" sentiment may never redeem himself, at least, not in the eyes of the terminally and joyless liberal.

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    [QUOTE=Raug;2614694]Neither did Hitler. Just sayin'[/QUOTE]

    What, exactly, are you "sayin' "?

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;2614791]Well, as we all know, a racist comment is worse than murder and anyone who utters a "racist" sentiment may never redeem himself, at least, not in the eyes of the terminally and joyless liberal.[/QUOTE]

    If you talk about Adi again, then I can tell you, as I said before. He never killed anyone, he also "just" uttered some racist BS.
    Oh, and I am not an American, don't care about your soon elections, and not a liberal. I think your (and everyone else who posts mainly in the politics forum) fights between liberals and conservatives are just too cute, the whole politics board on JI is the best comedy you can get on the web. A bit sad that the Clinton/Obama fight is over, that was pure gold.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;2614797]What, exactly, are you "sayin' "?[/QUOTE]

    Haven't you read my explanation?
    Most (lesser informed) people don't know that much about what Hitler really did. Hitler was the ideology that the people behind him needed to go nuts. It was like "Ah, the Führer said that we need a "solution" to the "Jews problem"... what does he mean with that?" And then some guy, who just recently wrote a book about "Darwinism" got some "great ideas", and some high university medical guy thought that he needed some volunteers for some experiments, and the sh*t started.
    Hitler was in most ways ideology, used (in his own intention of course) by men who preferred to stay in the background. Most people have a wrong picture of him - he was no politician or anything. Most of his days started with getting up around 11, then having a long breakfast, reading specific newspaper-articles, having lunch. Then, sometime in the afternoon, he met with some of his Nazi-personal and discussed some things (without obligation), then had dinner and got drunk.
    He wanted to be a big warlord, and never cared that much about politics, he had people who did that for him. Always in his name, but often without actually having an order.

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    we shouldn't respect anyone who suckled at the public teat for as long as this old bastid did.

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    [QUOTE=Raug;2614803]Haven't you read my explanation?
    Most (lesser informed) people don't know that much about what Hitler really did. Hitler was the ideology that the people behind him needed to go nuts. It was like "Ah, the Führer said that we need a "solution" to the "Jews problem"... what does he mean with that?" And then some guy, who just recently wrote a book about "Darwinism" got some "great ideas", and some high university medical guy thought that he needed some volunteers for some experiments, and the sh*t started.
    Hitler was in most ways ideology, used (in his own intention of course) by men who preferred to stay in the background. Most people have a wrong picture of him - he was no politician or anything. Most of his days started with getting up around 11, then having a long breakfast, reading specific newspaper-articles, having lunch. Then, sometime in the afternoon, he met with some of his Nazi-personal and discussed some things (without obligation), then had dinner and got drunk.
    He wanted to be a big warlord, and never cared that much about politics, he had people who did that for him. Always in his name, but often without actually having an order.[/QUOTE]
    I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure leisurely breakfasts and a disinterest in politics is not the earmarks of a revolutionary, power-mad dictator. Not exactly what puts a man over the top, so to speak.

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    [QUOTE=Raug;2614803]
    Hitler was in most ways ideology, used (in his own intention of course) by men who preferred to stay in the background. Most people have a wrong picture of him - he was no politician or anything. Most of his days started with getting up around 11, then having a long breakfast, reading specific newspaper-articles, having lunch. Then, sometime in the afternoon, he met with some of his Nazi-personal and discussed some things (without obligation), then had dinner and got drunk.[/QUOTE]

    Hitler was a strict vegetarian and a teetotaler.

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