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    Right Wing Radio is an Embarrassment

    I'm middle of the road, one of these swing voters the press is always talking about. But the right wing radio i've heard lately is so out there I've started to view the Republicans as the party of insaniacs.

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    And whats your take on Air America these days? Same? Better? Worse?

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2650751]And whats your take on Air America these days? Same? Better? Worse?[/QUOTE]

    I thought they went bankrupt. Are they still on the air?

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    I listen to Alan Colmes sometimes at night and he gets a lot of rightwing callers. They are not very nice to say the least.

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    [QUOTE=BushyTheBeaver;2650747]I'm middle of the road, one of these swing voters the press is always talking about. But the right wing radio i've heard lately is so out there I've started to view the Republicans as the party of insaniacs.[/QUOTE]

    Why do you say that? There are such wonderful people on right-wing radio:

    Rush Limbaugh - dodged the Vietnam draft by saying he had cyst on his butt. No I'm not kidding and this is not an exaggeration, he actually used a pimple on his rear end to get out of going to Vietnam - amazing considering his father had the same condition but was stil able to serve in WWII. Today he enjoys abusing prescription drugs, painkillers and threatening sick women who are his acquaintances to get him his drugs or else.

    Bill O'Reilly - has said he has served in combat - an interesting assertion to make considering he was never in the military. He is basically a pathelogical liar (he's lied about among other things 1) being an independent (he was a registered republican up until 2000 when he got exposed) 2) his "working-class upbringing in Levittown (he asctually grew up in much wealthier Wesbury and his father made $35K a year in the 1960's which is roughly $70 - $80K today) 3) him opposing the the death penalty 4) claiming 58% of single moms are on welfare 5) saying 37% of students at Florida universities are black 6) Canada being bankrupt (when did that happen?) 7) "[The US] give[s] far and away more tax money to foreign countries than anyone else. . . . Nobody else even comes close to us," - an outright lie or at the very least half truth considering the US gave less than .1% of its Gross National Income which was less than Italy, the least generous nation in the EU. 8) Inside Edition winning "peabodys" when he was there. 9) citing a report saying nuclear power is cheap and then conveniently neglecting to mention that the report didn't cite construction costs - 60% of the cost of operating a nuclear power plant 10) not sexually harassing Andrea Mackris. This is just the tip of the tip of the iceberg I could probably construct a library full of books about the lies and half-truths Bill O'Reilly has told but I have a life.

    Sean Hannity - where do I begin? Aside from the stunt he pulled at the Terri Schiavo vigil getting a fake doctor to come on and say he's revived patients in worse condition than Schiavo (absolutely preposterous considering Terri Schiavo's brain had liquified after being in a coma for over 10 years, I'd like to meet the person who comes back from something worse than that) Check out these quotes he had before and during the Kosovo War:

    "Why should one U.S. airman give up his life when our national security is not in imminent danger?"

    "Congressman Moran, a couple of things that are in my mind. Number one is the president has really failed to lay out before the American people the reasons why we need to be involved militarily. That's number one.
    And then we go back to Henry Kissinger's test, which is number one, is there a vital U.S. national interest? And do we have a plan to disengage? What's the exit strategy? I don't see that we've met that test either. And why does it have to happen this second, this hour? Why don't we have a national debate first?"

    "But you know what? There's a lot of massacres going on in the world. As you know, 37,000 Kurds in Turkey, over a million people in Sudan. We have hundreds of thousands in Rwanda and Burundi. I mean, where do we stop?"

    -Is this the same chickenhawk Sean Hannity who less than 4 years later was all about the Iraq invasion and to this very day argues invading Iraq was the right move because...who knows?

    "But if you know - every mistake we've made up to this point, there's no stated goal. There's no definition of success. All these important things. There's no exit strategy. One mistake after another. Why would you go in deeper when we have not been successful up to this point? That seems to me to be folly."

    Sounds like he's talking about Bush Jr. but he was actually talking about Clinton. Yeah that Kosovo War was a real quagmire.

    "Slobodan Milosevic is a bad guy. He's an evil man. Horrible things are happening. I agree with that. Is Bill O'Reilly then saying we go to Rwanda, Burundi, Somalia, Sudan? Where does this stop? And when you look at sheer numbers, 2,000 -- and I'm not minimizing death. It's horrible. What this man is doing with ethnic cleansing is abhorrent, but sheer numbers -- 2,000 killed in the last year versus hundreds of thousands, millions in some cases in other parts of the world. Are you saying the United States should go to all those places?"

    I guess Slobodan wasn't so bad but less than 4 years later somehow Saddam Hussein was the anti-Christ and we had to take him out. Sean Hannity is a fat hyprocrite idiot who is full of sh*t.

    Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, proof that any chickenhawk with no brains and abig mouth can get on the radio and make millions by talking about the evil liberals and how they want all of our kids molested and the terrorists to win.
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    [QUOTE=VincenzoTestaverde;2650776]Why do you say that? There are such wonderful people on right-wing radio:

    Rush Limbaugh - dodged the Vietnam draft by saying he had cyst on his butt. No I'm not kidding and this is not an exaggeration, he actually used a pimple on his rear end to get out of going to Vietnam - amazing considering his father had the same condition but was stil able to serve in WWII. Today he enjoys abusing prescription drugs, painkillers and threatening sick women who are his acquaintances to get him his drugs or else.

    Bill O'Reilly - has said he has served in combat - an interesting assertion to make considering he was never in the military. He is basically a pathelogical liar (he's lied about among other things 1) being an independent (he was a registered republican up until 2000 when he got exposed) 2) his "working-class upbringing in Levittown (he asctually grew up in much wealthier Wesbury and his father made $35K a year in the 1960's which is roughly $70 - $80K today) 3) him opposing the the death penalty 4) claiming 58% of single moms are on welfare 5) saying 37% of students at Florida universities are black 6) Canada being bankrupt (when did that happen?) 7) "[The US] give[s] far and away more tax money to foreign countries than anyone else. . . . Nobody else even comes close to us," - an outright lie or at the very least half truth considering the US gave less than .1% of its Gross National Income which was less than Italy, the least generous nation in the EU. 8) Inside Edition winning "peabodys" when he was there. 9) citing a report saying nuclear power is cheap and then conveniently neglecting to mention that the report didn't cite construction costs - 60% of the cost of operating a nuclear power plant 10) not sexually harassing Andrea Mackris. This is just the tip of the tip of the iceberg I could probably construct a library full of books about the lies and half-truths Bill O'Reilly has told but I have a life.

    Sean Hannity - where do I begin? Aside from the stunt he pulled at the Terri Schiavo vigil getting a fake doctor to come on and say he's revived patients in worse condition than Schiavo (absolutely preposterous considering Terri Schiavo's brain had liquified after being in a coma for over 10 years, I'd like to meet the person who comes back from something worse than that) Check out these quotes he had before and during the Kosovo War:

    "Why should one U.S. airman give up his life when our national security is not in imminent danger?"

    "Congressman Moran, a couple of things that are in my mind. Number one is the president has really failed to lay out before the American people the reasons why we need to be involved militarily. That's number one.
    And then we go back to Henry Kissinger's test, which is number one, is there a vital U.S. national interest? And do we have a plan to disengage? What's the exit strategy? I don't see that we've met that test either. And why does it have to happen this second, this hour? Why don't we have a national debate first?"

    "But you know what? There's a lot of massacres going on in the world. As you know, 37,000 Kurds in Turkey, over a million people in Sudan. We have hundreds of thousands in Rwanda and Burundi. I mean, where do we stop?"

    -Is this the same chickenhawk Sean Hannity who less than 4 years later was all about the Iraq invasion and to this very day argues invading Iraq was the right move because...who knows?

    "But if you know - every mistake we've made up to this point, there's no stated goal. There's no definition of success. All these important things. There's no exit strategy. One mistake after another. Why would you go in deeper when we have not been successful up to this point? That seems to me to be folly."

    Sounds like he's talking about Bush Jr. but he was actually talking about Clinton. Yeah that Kosovo War was a real quagmire.

    "Slobodan Milosevic is a bad guy. He's an evil man. Horrible things are happening. I agree with that. Is Bill O'Reilly then saying we go to Rwanda, Burundi, Somalia, Sudan? Where does this stop? And when you look at sheer numbers, 2,000 -- and I'm not minimizing death. It's horrible. What this man is doing with ethnic cleansing is abhorrent, but sheer numbers -- 2,000 killed in the last year versus hundreds of thousands, millions in some cases in other parts of the world. Are you saying the United States should go to all those places?"

    I guess Slobodan wasn't so bad but less than 4 years later somehow Saddam Hussein was the anti-Christ and we had to take him out. Sean Hannity is a fat hyprocrite idiot who is full of sh*t.

    Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, proof that any chickenhawk with no brains and abig mouth can get on the radio and make millions by talking about the evil liberals and how they want all of our kids molested and the terrorists to win.[/QUOTE]

    Dont forget the new Idiot on the scene they call "The Great One" Mark Levin you know the guy who screams at people calling all americans stupid idiots becuse he assumes no one knows whats going on in the world but him. Its real comic relief on my way into work

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    Randi(Hiccup) Rodent and Al(I Don't Pay Taxes)Franken say hi.

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    Don't get me wrong I think that the guys you listed are usually screaming idiots but so are Olbermann and Al Franken. Let's not forget how horrible Michael Moore's documentaries are.

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    [QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;2650861]Randi(Hiccup) Rodent and Al(I Don't Pay Taxes)Franken say hi.[/QUOTE]

    Egnore 'em Dean....They'll never get it....With fine upstanding citizens as Franken and Bill Mahr on their side, we're doomed!

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    [QUOTE=BushyTheBeaver;2650747]I'm middle of the road, one of these swing voters the press is always talking about. But the right wing radio i've heard lately is so out there I've started to view the Republicans as the party of insaniacs.[/QUOTE]
    If it bothers you, don't listen. If it really bothers you, devote hours scouring their words and bashing them. Just don't claim to be a "swing voter" in the process, please.

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    [QUOTE=The Paranoid Jet;2650892]Don't get me wrong I think that the guys you listed are usually screaming idiots but so are Olbermann and Al Franken. Let's not forget how horrible Michael Moore's documentaries are.[/QUOTE]

    No, those people are honorable, good men. :rolleyes:

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    [quote=BushyTheBeaver;2650747]I'm middle of the road, one of these swing voters the press is always talking about. But the right wing radio i've heard lately is so out there I've started to view the Republicans as the party of insaniacs.[/quote]

    I tend to listen for the comic relief.

    And to answer Fisher's question - I have no idea, I've never heard Air America. But given that they set themselves up as "the left's answer to Rush Limbaugh & Co." I'm pretty certain I'd have a similar reaction to them

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    [QUOTE=doggin94it;2651040]I tend to listen for the comic relief.

    And to answer Fisher's question - I have no idea, I've never heard Air America. But given that they set themselves up as "the left's answer to Rush Limbaugh & Co." I'm pretty certain I'd have a similar reaction to them[/QUOTE]

    Thats a fair answer, of course.

    But with that said, one cannot (as I see it) give an educated or objective opinion on right-wing radio pundits if they have no experience listening to their left-wing brethren.

    It's very easy, especially if one is liberal-minded, to bash a Limbaugh. It's pretty obvious that someone who is liberal will not agree with him on most issues, and would find reason to exploit anything they can in what he says.

    However if one has no experience with his left-learning opponents, the bashing tends to come across as simply "political bias as usual". One can certainly say Limbaugh is wrong or even dishonest or similar, but if they do not listen to Air America, or (worse IMO) are unable to see that Air America is exactly the same if not even more aggressive in their propaganda pushing dishonesty (since the smaller guy always has to yell louder to be heard), then it really is just the same old bias at work to have a thread bashing one side of the political propaganda/political talk spectrum.
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    [quote=Warfish;2651071]Thats a fair answer, of course.

    But with that said, one cannot (as I see it) give an educated or objective opinion on right-wing radio pundits if they have no experience listening to their left-wing brethren.[/quote]

    I don't understand why that would be. I evaluate right wing radio the same way I evaluate anything else - on its own merits. Whether its better, as bad or worse than left wing radio is only relevant to a discussion of the relative merits of right and left wing radio.

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    It's very easy, especially if one is liberal-minded, to bash a Limbaugh. It's pretty obvious that someone who is liberal will not agree with him on most issues, and would find reason to exploit anything they can in what he says.

    However if one has no experience with his left-learning opponents, the bashing tends to come across as simply "political bias as usual". One can certainly say Limbaugh is wrong or even dishonest or similar, but if they do not listen to Air America, or (worse IMO) are unable to see that Air America is exactly the same if not even more aggressive in their propaganda pushing dishonesty (since the smaller guy always has to yell louder to be heard), then it really is just the same old bias at work to have a thread bashing one side of the political propaganda/political talk spectrum.
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    Except Limbaugh was saying things like "moderates are just spineless" and bashing liberals as socialists who hated america long before Air America ever came on the air, so the "it all started when he hit me back" argument doesn't gain much sympathy from me. More, I don't care whether "the other side is just as bad" because that doesn't make Limbaugh and his ilk any better.

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    [QUOTE=doggin94it;2651115]I don't understand why that would be. I evaluate right wing radio the same way I evaluate anything else - on its own merits. Whether its better, as bad or worse than left wing radio is only relevant to a discussion of the relative merits of right and left wing radio.[/quote]

    Except politics does not exist in a vacuum, and right wing radio/propaganda does not exist alone. Political Radio exemplified the extreme of both sides of political thought. One cannot, as I see it, judge one without the other.

    Beyond that, in today's UnCivil Politcal War atmosphere, why would I expect a Liberal-minded person to be objective when it comes to the "merit" of Conservative-based ideology? Of course not.

    How can one have legitimate perspective when they only have knowledge and experience with one side of the argument?

    [QUOTE=doggin94it;2651115]Except Limbaugh was saying things like "moderates are just spineless"[/quote]

    Spineless is a bit much, but by definition a "Moderate" is such either because he does not hold a string opinion on a topic, or because he is for a compromise position, which means he does nto hodl a string position on the topic. I don't see that as "spineless" either, but can see how one extreme or the other who DO have strongly held views would.

    And again, such a view is not limited to right alone. The Left in both the mainstream media and air America portrays moderates on issues int he same light all the time. Hence why it's impossible to judge one without the other.

    [QUOTE=doggin94it;2651115] and bashing liberals as socialists who hated america long before Air America ever came on the air, so the "it all started when he hit me back" argument doesn't gain much sympathy from me.[/quote]

    Thats fine, no one is saying you have to feel as I do. However, the "Rush started political propaganda" argument doesn't get much traction from ME, given the biased history of our mainstream media, a bias than Rush was the inevitable reaction to, just as Air America was the inevitable reaction to Rush.

    [QUOTE=doggin94it;2651115]More, I don't care whether "the other side is just as bad" because that doesn't make Limbaugh and his ilk any better.[/QUOTE]

    Again, thats fine. But in a thread dedicated to trashing one side of an equation, it's a bit intellectually dishonest to pile on when your own side is equally bad, and worse, far more powerful (i.e the mainstream media + Air America > Right-Wing Radio + FOX).

    With all due respect, you have always stuck me as one who liked the old paradigm of the Mainstream Media alone, with it's generally slight-to-moderate-leftist biases. As such, I would never expect you to support or understand (all his bluster aside) that Limbaugh speaks for a good portion of our citizenry who feel their voice has far too long been silenced in media. And that he points out soem of the faults of the Political Left in no uncertain terms.

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    These guys are professionals in every sense of the word; it's their job to incite controversy and conflict and anger and debate. The fact that bushy went out of his way to write a new thread about it means they are doing their job on him, and quite well.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;2651197]These guys are professionals in every sense of the word; it's their job to incite controversy and conflict and anger and debate. The fact that bushy went out of his way to write a new thread about it means they are doing their job on him, and quite well.[/QUOTE]

    Actually, they're not professionals in any sense of the word, and I am talking about political radio hosts of every persuasion here.

    They are actually shameless whores, appealing to the lowest common denominator in order to get ratings.

    Truth and facts have no business on their shows, only exaggeration and hyperbole.

    The sad part is that people confuse these programs with the news.

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    [QUOTE=Klecko73isGod;2651203]Actually, they're not professionals in any sense of the word, and I am talking about political radio hosts of every persuasion here.

    They are actually shameless whores, appealing to the lowest common denominator in order to get ratings.

    Truth and facts have no business on their shows, only exaggeration and hyperbole.

    The sad part is that people confuse these programs with the news.[/QUOTE]

    No, the sad part is that some folks think the "news" is any different whatsoever these days. :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2651216]No, the sad part is that some folks think the "news" is any different whatsoever these days. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    Unfortunately in the mad rush for ratings everybody on both sides has been all too eager to blur the lines between news and opinion.

    It didn't used to be this way. Reporters used to be able to investigate corruption without being accused of bias.

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    [QUOTE=Klecko73isGod;2651203]Actually, they're not professionals in any sense of the word, and I am talking about political radio hosts of every persuasion here.[/QUOTE]
    But television hosts...they are the voice of moderation and reason (provided they are not on Fox). Correct?

    It's all entertainment. And good for them all.

    I think Rush makes as much as Howard Stern - you going to badmouth that gig as...unprofessional? Right.

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