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Thread: The tide turns in Iraq, major combat ends, peace is in sight

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    The tide turns in Iraq, major combat ends, peace is in sight

    Great news, indeed

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    [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080727/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_winning_the_war[/url]

    Analysis: US now winning Iraq war that seemed lost
    By ROBERT BURNS and ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press Writers
    Sat Jul 26, 10:45 PM ET
    BAGHDAD - The United States is now winning the war that two years ago seemed lost. Limited, sometimes sharp fighting and periodic terrorist bombings in Iraq are likely to continue, possibly for years. But the Iraqi government and the U.S. now are able to shift focus from mainly combat to mainly building the fragile beginnings of peace — a transition that many found almost unthinkable as recently as one year ago.

    Despite the occasional bursts of violence, Iraq has reached the point where the insurgents, who once controlled whole cities, no longer have the clout to threaten the viability of the central government.

    That does not mean the war has ended or that U.S. troops have no role in Iraq. It means the combat phase finally is ending, years past the time when President Bush optimistically declared it had. The new phase focuses on training the Iraqi army and police, restraining the flow of illicit weaponry from Iran, supporting closer links between Baghdad and local governments, pushing the integration of former insurgents into legitimate government jobs and assisting in rebuilding the economy.

    Scattered battles go on, especially against al-Qaida holdouts north of Baghdad. But organized resistance, with the steady drumbeat of bombings, kidnappings, assassinations and ambushes that once rocked the capital daily, has all but ceased.

    This amounts to more than a lull in the violence. It reflects a fundamental shift in the outlook for the Sunni minority, which held power under Saddam Hussein. They launched the insurgency five years ago. They now are either sidelined or have switched sides to cooperate with the Americans in return for money and political support.

    Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, told The Associated Press this past week there are early indications that senior leaders of al-Qaida may be considering shifting their main focus from Iraq to the war in Afghanistan.

    Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, told the AP on Thursday that the insurgency as a whole has withered to the point where it is no longer a threat to Iraq's future.

    "Very clearly, the insurgency is in no position to overthrow the government or, really, even to challenge it," Crocker said. "It's actually almost in no position to try to confront it. By and large, what's left of the insurgency is just trying to hang on."

    Shiite militias, notably the Mahdi Army of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, have lost their power bases in Baghdad, Basra and other major cities. An important step was the routing of Shiite extremists in the Sadr City slums of eastern Baghdad this spring — now a quiet though not fully secure district.

    Al-Sadr and top lieutenants are now in Iran. Still talking of a comeback, they are facing major obstacles, including a loss of support among a Shiite population weary of war and no longer as terrified of Sunni extremists as they were two years ago.

    Despite the favorable signs, U.S. commanders are leery of proclaiming victory or promising that the calm will last.

    The premature declaration by the Bush administration of "Mission Accomplished" in May 2003 convinced commanders that the best public relations strategy is to promise little, and couple all good news with the warning that "security is fragile" and that the improvements, while encouraging, are "not irreversible."

    Iraq still faces a mountain of problems: sectarian rivalries, power struggles within the Sunni and Shiite communities, Kurdish-Arab tensions, corruption. Any one of those could rekindle widespread fighting.

    But the underlying dynamics in Iraqi society that blew up the U.S. military's hopes for an early exit, shortly after the fall of Baghdad in April 2003, have changed in important ways in recent months.

    Systematic sectarian killings have all but ended in the capital, in large part because of tight security and a strategy of walling off neighborhoods purged of minorities in 2006.

    That has helped establish a sense of normalcy in the streets of the capital. People are expressing a new confidence in their own security forces, which in turn are exhibiting a newfound assertiveness with the insurgency largely in retreat.

    Statistics show violence at a four-year low. The monthly American death toll appears to be at its lowest of the war — four killed in action so far this month as of Friday, compared with 66 in July a year ago. From a daily average of 160 insurgent attacks in July 2007, the average has plummeted to about two dozen a day this month. On Wednesday the nationwide total was 13.

    Beyond that, there is something in the air in Iraq this summer.

    In Baghdad, parks are filled every weekend with families playing and picnicking with their children. That was unthinkable only a year ago, when the first, barely visible signs of a turnaround emerged.

    Now a moment has arrived for the Iraqis to try to take those positive threads and weave them into a lasting stability.

    The questions facing both Americans and Iraqis are: What kinds of help will the country need from the U.S. military, and for how long? The questions will take on greater importance as the U.S. presidential election nears, with one candidate pledging a troop withdrawal and the other insisting on staying.

    Iraqi authorities have grown dependent on the U.S. military after more than five years of war. While they are aiming for full sovereignty with no foreign troops on their soil, they do not want to rush. In a similar sense, the Americans fear that after losing more than 4,100 troops, the sacrifice could be squandered.

    U.S. commanders say a substantial American military presence will be needed beyond 2009. But judging from the security gains that have been sustained over the first half of this year — as the Pentagon withdrew five Army brigades sent as reinforcements in 2007 — the remaining troops could be used as peacekeepers more than combatants.

    As a measure of the transitioning U.S. role, Maj. Gen. Jeffery Hammond says that when he took command of American forces in the Baghdad area about seven months ago he was spending 80 percent of his time working on combat-related matters and about 20 percent on what the military calls "nonkinetic" issues, such as supporting the development of Iraqi government institutions and humanitarian aid.

    Now Hammond estimates those percentage have been almost reversed. For several hours one recent day, for example, Hammond consulted on water projects with a Sunni sheik in the Radwaniyah area of southwest Baghdad, then spent time with an Iraqi physician/entrepreneur in the Dora district of southern Baghdad — an area, now calm, that in early 2007 was one of the capital's most violent zones.

    "We're getting close to something that looks like an end to mass violence in Iraq," says Stephen Biddle, an analyst at the Council of Foreign Relations who has advised Petraeus on war strategy. Biddle is not ready to say it's over, but he sees the U.S. mission shifting from fighting the insurgents to keeping the peace.

    Although Sunni and Shiite extremists are still around, they have surrendered the initiative and have lost the support of many ordinary Iraqis. That can be traced to an altered U.S. approach to countering the insurgency — a Petraeus-driven move to take more U.S. troops off their big bases and put them in Baghdad neighborhoods where they mixed with ordinary Iraqis and built a new level of trust.

    Army Col. Tom James, a brigade commander who is on his third combat tour in Iraq, explains the new calm this way:

    "We've put out the forest fire. Now we're dealing with pop-up fires."

    It's not the end of fighting. It looks like the beginning of a perilous peace.

    Maj. Gen. Ali Hadi Hussein al-Yaseri, the chief of patrol police in the capital, sees the changes.

    "Even eight months ago, Baghdad was not today's Baghdad," he says.

    ___

    EDITOR'S NOTE — Robert Burns is AP's chief military reporter, and Robert Reid is AP's chief of bureau in Baghdad. Reid has covered the war from his post in Iraq since the U.S. invasion in March 2003. Burns, based in Washington, has made 21 reporting trips to Iraq; on his latest during July, Burns spent nearly three weeks in central and northern Iraq, observing military operations and interviewing both U.S. and Iraqi officers.[/QUOTE]


    I wonder what kind of backpedaling we can expect from Obama now.

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    Maybe he'll say exactly what he has been saying: its still time to get our soldiers home and out of harm's way since far too many have died already in a pointless war. Now, let's focus on the war next door that's falling apart and worry about the actual threat's to this country instead of red herrings...

    I don't think there's a person here that's unhappy that Iraq is not the scariest place in the universe anymore, any positive news is good news for the entire world...

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    The United States is now winning the war that two years ago seemed lost.

    Limited, sometimes sharp fighting and periodic terrorist bombings in Iraq are likely to continue, possibly for years.

    Despite the occasional bursts of violence

    Very clearly, the insurgency is in no position to overthrow the government or, really, even to challenge it," Crocker said. "It's actually almost in no position to try to confront it. By and large, what's left of the insurgency is just trying to hang on." [COLOR="darkred"]MISSION ACCOMPLISHED Whooo hooo[/COLOR] [B]Lets start getting our guys out now since the insurgency is in no position to overthrow the New Iraqi Govt. [/B]

    "We're getting close to something that looks like an end to mass violence in Iraq," says Stephen Biddle, an analyst at the Council of Foreign Relations who has advised Petraeus on war strategy. Biddle is not ready to say it's over, but he sees the U.S. mission shifting from fighting the insurgents to keeping the peace.

    "We've put out the forest fire. Now we're dealing with pop-up fires."

    It's not the end of fighting. It looks like the beginning of a perilous peace.

    [COLOR="DarkRed"]I love the above statement the best [/COLOR]

    This article is garbage. Sorry but everytime there is a lull everything is going great and then comments like some of the ones above show nothing has changed.:zzz::zzz::zzz:

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    [quote=SDJETS;2652802]Maybe he'll say exactly what he has been saying: its still time to get our soldiers home and out of harm's way since far too many have died already in a pointless war. Now, let's focus on the war next door that's falling apart and worry about the actual threat's to this country instead of red herrings...

    I don't think there's a person here that's unhappy that Iraq is not the scariest place in the universe anymore, any positive news is good news for the entire world...[/quote]

    I don't think you've met Kenny . . .

    BTW, Paulie, this article is obviously a lie. After all this:

    [QUOTE]Now Hammond estimates those percentage have been almost reversed. For several hours one recent day, for example, Hammond consulted on water projects with a [B]Sunni sheik in the Radwaniyah area of southwest Baghdad[/B], then spent time with an Iraqi physician/entrepreneur in the Dora district of southern Baghdad an area, now calm, that in early 2007 was one of the capital's most violent zones.
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    is clearly impossible, since (as Juan Cole will tell you - with Kenny's assistance) Baghdad is now a shiite city, ethnically cleansed of all Sunnis :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=doggin94it;2653265]I don't think you've met Kenny . . .

    BTW, Paulie, this article is obviously a lie. After all this:



    is clearly impossible, since (as Juan Cole will tell you - with Kenny's assistance) Baghdad is now a shiite city, ethnically cleansed of all Sunnis :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    What are you a 2 year old??
    Is that really you in those pics and not your kids as you claim??

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    [QUOTE=SDJETS;2652802]Maybe he'll say exactly what he has been saying: its still time to get our soldiers home and out of harm's way since far too many have died already in a pointless war. Now, let's focus on the war next door that's falling apart and worry about the actual threat's to this country instead of red herrings...

    [B]I don't think there's a person here that's unhappy that Iraq is not the scariest place in the universe anymore, any positive news is good news for the entire world[/B]...[/QUOTE]

    So is that the new goal?? To create a "not the scariest place in the world"???
    Is that what we are spending billions to create? Is that why 4000 American soldiers died for and another 30,000 are permanently mamed for??

    BTW, now that Maliki's government is more stable, tell me how do you feel about his government? How do you feel about it being so close to Iran's govt? Do you like how they went to Tehran to seek their approval in denying the USA's "Status of Agreement"? Or how they went to Tehran first to seek advise on the rising threat of Sadr's Madhi Army??
    Is this the govt we hped for that we have sacrificed so much for ?
    Last edited by kennyo7; 07-29-2008 at 02:40 PM.

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    Cool. It's over. We can leave now.

    When do the Iraqis start paying us back?

    6 days? 6 weeks? Maybe 6 months?

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