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Thread: "Barack Obama's Stealth Socialism" - IBD Editorial

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2655747]There are so many distortions and misrepresentations in that story that it simply doesn't merit anything more.

    Par for the course for that particular editorial page, btw.[/QUOTE]

    Convenient. The only thing par for the course I see here is Obama's followers denying what he is and what he stands for.

    Let me guess, Obama (in your view) is a "Moderate", right? No Socialism here, nope, no way siree bob.

    Is there any of his policies or ideals you would actually admit are based in Socialism and Socialist ideology?

    I have to hand it to Ken, at least he is honest and up front, and stands up and says "Yes, I am a Socialist and I prefer Socialism".

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2655808]Convenient. The only thing par for the course I see here is Obama's followers denying what he is and what he stands for.

    Let me guess, Obama (in your view) is a "Moderate", right? No Socialism here, nope, no way siree bob.

    Is there any of his policies or ideals you would actually admit are based in Socialism and Socialist ideology?

    I have to hand it to Ken, at least he is honest and up front, and stands up and says "Yes, I am a Socialist and I prefer Socialism".[/QUOTE]


    Is he "more socialist" than McCain? Yes, in the same fashion that McCain is "more fascist" than Obama.

    If you consider any redistributive policy "socialist," then he is a socialist. So, by that standard, is every politician in America who doesn't want to eliminate the income tax, or social security, or Medicare, or the GI Bill. And, by the way, by that standard, the U.S. is a socialist country right now.

    You do realize that his most "socialist" proposal of all --universal health insurance-- was actually far to the right --"less socialist," as you'd put it-- of what the other leading Democrats were proposing, right?

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    [QUOTE=Mean Bro Green;2655604]therein lies the problem

    you should be sick of paying taxes, not of having the money wasted[/QUOTE]

    I am sick of paying taxes but that is never gonna change. It would hurt less if the money was at least spent with some efficiency.

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    [QUOTE=acepepe;2655699]Bit, I don't know how old you are but I grew up in the sixtys ( librial actually)
    and I saw the DAMAGE that social engineering and money thrown at the "poor and disadvantaged" can do.. 7 and 1/2 trillion dollars later and what do we have? The same amount of poor and disadvantaged and a whole lot more criminals after the break-up of familys and wharehousing in public housing[/QUOTE]

    you mean we haven't won the "war on poverty"???

    more and more barack hussien is proving to be nothing more then a novelty- sort of like the pet rock...

    [QUOTE]And as president, "we'll ensure that economic justice is served," he asserted. "That's what this election is about." Obama never spelled out the meaning of the term, but he didn't have to. His audience knew what he meant, judging from its thumping approval.[/QUOTE]

    what the fuq is "economic justice"??? and who decides on this "justice"????
    is this anything like his call for "reproductive justice"????

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2655833]Is he "more socialist" than McCain? Yes, in the same fashion that McCain is "more fascist" than Obama.

    If you consider any redistributive policy "socialist," then he is a socialist. So, by that standard, is every politician in America who doesn't want to eliminate the income tax, or social security, or Medicare, or the GI Bill. And, by the way, by that standard, the U.S. is a socialist country right now.

    You do realize that his most "socialist" proposal of all --universal health insurance-- was actually far to the right --"less socialist," as you'd put it-- of what the other leading Democrats were proposing, right?[/QUOTE]

    So the U.S. is a Socialist Country today, eh?

    Well crap, I better just give up then.

    Bring on the Welfare State and 100% Taxation. After all, all wealth only comes at teh expense of someone else, all wealth should be equally distributed regardless of effort and abillity, and the Government knows better than any one person does how their efforts should be rewarded.

    You've convinced me Camrade Nuu, I'll be voting Obama in the fall, and doing my best to ensure I am a receiver in the New Socialist Workers Paradise of Obama's Peoples Republik of Amerikovski.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2656008]So the U.S. is a Socialist Country today, eh?

    Well crap, I better just give up then.

    Bring on the Welfare State and 100% Taxation. After all, all wealth only comes at teh expense of someone else, all wealth should be equally distributed regardless of effort and abillity, and the Government knows better than any one person does how their efforts should be rewarded.

    You've convinced me Camrade Nuu, I'll be voting Obama in the fall, and doing my best to ensure I am a receiver in the New Socialist Workers Paradise of Obama's Peoples Republik of Amerikovski.[/QUOTE]

    No, it is not a socialist country despite the fact that it has many policies that are inherently redistributive in nature to one degree or another.

    Obama's proposals would likely lead to an incremental increase in redistributive policies, not some overthrow of our current system. The idea that he's some sort of "stealth" radical --to use the language from the hillarious wingnut piece you posted-- is absurd, even if he did ACTUALLY KNOW A REAL LIFE COMMUNIST WHEN HE WAS A TEENAGER, as the IBD so damningly points out.

    "Bring on the welfare state"? Yes, indeed. Show me again where Obama has proposed an increase in welfare? (The article you posted actually bemoans his support of the Earned Income Tax Credit, which is of course a program designed to get people off of welfare by making low-wage work more lucrative than collecting assistance.)

    And, yes, "100% taxation." That's quite an accurate description of the 1990s tax rates that Obama has proposed reinstating.

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